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Re: Major misfire on idle, 2.2 petrol manual
« Reply #75 on: 25 April 2018, 20:21:59 »

Thanks of the advice on German, and the tips.
Here is the manifold I failed to save on Jonny's 2.2. I removed it to replace the head gasket. It went with the car when I scrapped it.


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Thanks of the advice on German, and the tips.
Here is the manifold I failed to save on Jonny's 2.2. I removed it to replace the head gasket. It went with the car when I scrapped it.


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Re: Major misfire on idle, 2.2 petrol manual
« Reply #76 on: 29 April 2018, 13:40:25 »

Certainly will, Andy. Thanks for your support.
I am worried that the front studs will break off as I try to remove the nuts. This fear is based upon the fact that 2 cars I bought for son Ben, a 2.0 and a 2.2, had missing studs there. However, when I removed the exhaust manifold on my first 2.0, it came off cleanly enough. Again, when I changed the head gasket on Jonny's 2.2, it came off OK.
Checking the photos of Jonn'y head gasket job, there is an EGR system in evidence, pump at the back of the head. So I shall have to wait and see.

Can you put up a photo of the EGR valve?

The other thing that I just thought of Terry, maybe the new manifold if it fits will have the same effect as putting a EGR blanking plate in. Not really sure where the exhaust gas goes through on the head.
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Re: Major misfire on idle, 2.2 petrol manual
« Reply #77 on: 29 April 2018, 20:10:48 »

EGR pump at back of head

EGR hose on inlet side

EGR pipe inlet side

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Re: Major misfire on idle, 2.2 petrol manual
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Re: Major misfire on idle, 2.2 petrol manual
« Reply #79 on: 29 April 2018, 20:39:02 »

EGR pump

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Re: Major misfire on idle, 2.2 petrol manual
« Reply #80 on: 29 April 2018, 20:45:05 »

Certainly will, Andy. Thanks for your support.
I am worried that the front studs will break off as I try to remove the nuts. This fear is based upon the fact that 2 cars I bought for son Ben, a 2.0 and a 2.2, had missing studs there. However, when I removed the exhaust manifold on my first 2.0, it came off cleanly enough. Again, when I changed the head gasket on Jonny's 2.2, it came off OK.
Checking the photos of Jonn'y head gasket job, there is an EGR system in evidence, pump at the back of the head. So I shall have to wait and see.

Can you put up a photo of the EGR valve?

The other thing that I just thought of Terry, maybe the new manifold if it fits will have the same effect as putting a EGR blanking plate in. Not really sure where the exhaust gas goes through on the head.
Pictures posted. I may be talking rubbish, but at the time (summer 2015) that's what I thought it was. The pump appears to be at the rear of the heah, exhaust side, and pumps through hose to the inlet manifold. On reflection, a rubber hose would not survive hot exhaust gases. Maybe it is blowing air from the inlet manifold into the exhaust manifold. Discuss.
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Re: Major misfire on idle, 2.2 petrol manual
« Reply #81 on: 29 April 2018, 21:33:19 »

the EGR valve is a stepper motor solenoid
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EGR-Valve-Exhaust-Gas-Recirculation-Fits-OPEL-Omega-Sintra-Vectra-MPV-851578/142629927446?epid=17011626709&hash=item213567fa16:g:ekEAAOSw-xVaOM1L

if you look at the manifold gasket ,you'll note port 4 is longer ,gas goes down the small square hole to the egr valve if open,then recirculates back to the inlet fannymould , for re-burning

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Re: Major misfire on idle, 2.2 petrol manual
« Reply #82 on: 29 April 2018, 21:44:39 »

Bigger pic of EGR pump
https://www.dropbox.com/s/psv7bmk1thyjgbs/EGRpump2.jpg?dl=1

Thanks for the photos Terry, That looks the same as my 2.2 petrol 2003.
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Re: Major misfire on idle, 2.2 petrol manual
« Reply #83 on: 29 April 2018, 21:49:06 »


. The pump appears to be at the rear of the heah, exhaust side, and pumps through hose to the inlet manifold. On reflection, a rubber hose would not survive hot exhaust gases. Maybe it is blowing air from the inlet manifold into the exhaust manifold. Discuss.

Looks like the 2,2 has a egr cooler with the cts combined ,the pipe you speak of is coolant pipe i think


egr bolts on the right hand side (2 black holes are exhaust passages)

the egr valve looks like this


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Re: Major misfire on idle, 2.2 petrol manual
« Reply #84 on: 01 May 2018, 12:31:51 »

Well done, Terry.
What's an induction tract?
The assembly of hoses and mass air flow meter that connects the air cleaner to the throttle box. Fitting involves 2 hose clips and one electrical connector.

Terry do you have the part number or size of the two hose clamps that connect the air flow meter?

Mine are knackered.

Glad you got it all sorted. :y

Thanks

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S3 size 40
29-76 USA
one is labelled,
the other says NORMA 72-80
make of that what you will
The diameter of the clamp point seems to about 76mm
Correction: those are the hose clips either side of the air flow meter, not the ones I touched. The air cleaner end clip is labelled 82-92 NORMA, the throttle body end clip is labelled Norma 66-75.

Found this site for replacement Worm Drive Hose Clamps 9mm. If anyone is interested. :y
https://www.hcl-clamping.co.uk/content/7-hose-clamps
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Re: Major misfire on idle, 2.2 petrol manual
« Reply #85 on: 07 May 2018, 20:14:57 »

MOT expired 30 April 2018. manifold not arrived. I sent enquiring e-mail yesterday, ATP told me they have trouble with shippers so cannot give me carriage reference or arrival estimate. Like Nick, I have bought from ATP before (wishbone kits) and had no trouble, delivery within a week.
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Re: Major misfire on idle, 2.2 petrol manual
« Reply #86 on: 08 May 2018, 19:43:38 »

MOT expired 30 April 2018. manifold not arrived. I sent enquiring e-mail yesterday, ATP told me they have trouble with shippers so cannot give me carriage reference or arrival estimate. Like Nick, I have bought from ATP before (wishbone kits) and had no trouble, delivery within a week.

That's frustrating Terry. I bought some wishbones from them a while back and they came fairly quick. Very unusual for ATP.
Hope you get it soon.
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Re: Major misfire on idle, 2.2 petrol manual
« Reply #87 on: 09 May 2018, 09:38:48 »

I attach our exchange about the non-delivery. I am not sure whether the carrier has lost it, or they never despatched it.
Dear customer,
thank You for the message.
 
Unfortunately we have a delay in transmitting the information from the shipping company therefore currently we are not available to provide the tracking number.
 
We are very sorry for the delay, but we are kindly asking to wait few more days as far it is international shipping.
 
Best regards
 
Marharyta
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ATP Auto-Teile-Poellath Handels GmbH
Am Heidweg 1
92690 Pressath
 
 

 
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Order for item number 10641007 from Terry Paget BA3 2Lp United Kingdom
Dear Sir,
 I ordered this item 25 April 2018. Payment by paypal of  51.69 EUR took place transaction ID 9FF3141914003061G 13.35 25 April 2018. Item has not yet arrived. Please advise date of dispatch and expected delivery.
Terry Paget
5 May 2018
 
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Re: Major misfire on idle, 2.2 petrol manual
« Reply #88 on: 09 May 2018, 10:30:48 »

I hate it when this happens

leaves you with a car , prepped for mot ,that you can't use,and your going to have to re check it all,
 and the uncertainty  as to if you need to find another manifold or not  :(

hope it turns up soon Mr Paget

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Re: Major misfire on idle, 2.2 petrol manual
« Reply #89 on: 09 May 2018, 14:08:04 »

I hate it when this happens

leaves you with a car , prepped for mot ,that you can't use,and your going to have to re check it all,
 and the uncertainty  as to if you need to find another manifold or not  :(

hope it turns up soon Mr Paget
All the more vexing because I scrapped a perfect 2.2 exhaust manifold a couple of years ago - see picture above. It's difficult to know what bits to keep.
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