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[tigers_gonads]

The front brake pads and callipers are now sorted 
Back wheels coming off in morning (weather permitting) to do anything needed then i'm going to push through some new fluid.

Question is .............. what order do I bleed ?
Also, engine off or running ?

[Doctor Gollum]

NSR, OSR, NSF, OSF.

And keep the fluid level high or you'll have to do the clutch as well

[tigers_gonads]

NSR, OSR, NSF, OSF.

And keep the fluid level high or you'll have to do the clutch as well

Yup 

Engine on or off ?

[Andy B]

NSR, OSR, NSF, OSF.

And keep the fluid level high or you'll have to do the clutch as well

Yup 

Engine on or off ?

I've always done it engine off.

[tigers_gonads]

Come to think about it, so have I 

Okay, thanks lads 

[Marks DTM Calib]

It doesn't really make any difference when the vehicle has a 4 channel ABS system, any order will work

[Andy B]

It doesn't really make any difference when the vehicle has a 4 channel ABS system, any order will work

Agreed. But IIRC Mr Haynes suggests 2 different orders to bleed depending on age of vehicle ie. 3 or 4 channel ABS.

[Doctor Gollum]

As I understand it, you work your way back to the master from the furthest point

[Andy B]

As I understand it, you work your way back to the master from the furthest point

Is that on a 3 or 4 channel ABS system?   

[Doctor Gollum]

Worked on every car I have changed the brake fluid on...

And some of those have even had a proper gearbox

[Andy B]

...

And some of those have even had a proper gearbox

2 pedals then ..... 

[Nick W]

As I understand it, you work your way back to the master from the furthest point

Is that on a 3 or 4 channel ABS system?   

it's on everything. Twice around the car is normally enough to get a decent pedal after fitting a new master cylinder or most of the brake pipes.

[tigers_gonads]

IIRC, all mini and facelift omegas have 4 channel ABS.
The pfl cars rear sensor was on the diff so their 3 channel 

So the answer is ...........
Any order
A couple of squirts each nipple
And don't let it drop too far or i'll end up breading the clutch too 

Thanks 

[Nick W]

IIRC, all mini and facelift omegas have 4 channel ABS.
The pfl cars rear sensor was on the diff so their 3 channel 

So the answer is ...........
Any order
A couple of squirts each nipple
And don't let it drop too far or i'll end up breading the clutch too 

Thanks 

no, you bleed each nipple until you see plenty of clean, airless fluid. This can take a while if you've fitted a new master cylinder or long brake pipe.

[tigers_gonads]

IIRC, all mini and facelift omegas have 4 channel ABS.
The pfl cars rear sensor was on the diff so their 3 channel 

So the answer is ...........
Any order
A couple of squirts each nipple
And don't let it drop too far or i'll end up breading the clutch too 

Thanks 

no, you bleed each nipple until you see plenty of clean, airless fluid. This can take a while if you've fitted a new master cylinder or long brake pipe.

Nothings been changed Nick.
The brakes have never been particularly good with a soft pedal.
I had to stand on the brakes last week due to some dickhead on a bike, all in black with no lights pulling across me while doing 40 ish  .
The car stepped sideways for a second until I relesed some brake pressure.
Upto now i've found pads which was half worn and a seized slide on the passenger side 

When Serek swapped the slush box for a proper one a couple of years ago, he mentioned that the fluid was shite and needed changing 
2 years and 12K miles later, i'm finally getting around to it 
Hopefully fresh fluid in the callipers which hasn't been boiled should get rid of the spongy pedal 


The fluid is probably 155K old too

[tigers_gonads]

And yes, i'll push it through until clean 

[Andy B]

As I understand it, you work your way back to the master from the furthest point

Is that on a 3 or 4 channel ABS system?   

it's on everything. Twice around the car is normally enough to get a decent pedal after fitting a new master cylinder or most of the brake pipes.

I just remember Haynes giving two orders of bleeding depending on age. I could never really see a reason why.

[Bigron]

Before ABS, when I could actually get under a car, the general rule was to start with the wheel furthest away from the master cylinder, then the next furthest - and so on. I understand that it uses the least amount of brake fluid and effort - yes?

Ron.

[TheBoy]

Before ABS, when I could actually get under a car, the general rule was to start with the wheel furthest away from the master cylinder, then the next furthest - and so on. I understand that it uses the least amount of brake fluid and effort - yes?

Ron.

ABS makes no difference. You just need to watch you don't get air in the ABS unit.

Also, those with tech2, partway through bleeding, run return pump, just to get that bit of old fluid into the main system...  ...though that's probably in the realms of anal 

[Kevin Wood]

Before ABS, when I could actually get under a car, the general rule was to start with the wheel furthest away from the master cylinder, then the next furthest - and so on. I understand that it uses the least amount of brake fluid and effort - yes?

Ron.

ABS makes no difference. You just need to watch you don't get air in the ABS unit.

Also, those with tech2, partway through bleeding, run return pump, just to get that bit of old fluid into the main system...  ...though that's probably in the realms of anal 

.. unless your return pump is "regularly exercised" anyway, of course.

[TheBoy]

Before ABS, when I could actually get under a car, the general rule was to start with the wheel furthest away from the master cylinder, then the next furthest - and so on. I understand that it uses the least amount of brake fluid and effort - yes?

Ron.

ABS makes no difference. You just need to watch you don't get air in the ABS unit.

Also, those with tech2, partway through bleeding, run return pump, just to get that bit of old fluid into the main system...  ...though that's probably in the realms of anal 

.. unless your return pump is "regularly exercised" anyway, of course.

Which obviously mine never would, being the model citizen

[aaronjb]

Which obviously mine never would, being the model citizen

Every time I drive around MK (which I did last night - peeled off the M1 at the A421 and skirted around MK to avoid the accident on the motorway) I think about you and your driving.. and the fact that everyone seems to drive around MK like it's some kind of race track with roundabouts

[TheBoy]

and the fact that everyone seems to drive around MK like it's some kind of race track with roundabouts

My experience is that Keynees drive excruciatingly slow, and immediately get in the outside lane on the offchance they might need to turn right in 25 roundabouts' time.

But, then, a significant number of Keynees don't have a licence, and some have never had one.