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Head gasket 3.2 v6
« on: 10 June 2018, 21:24:14 »

I wonder if any one on here would like to give me a price to replace my head gaskets
On my 2003 3.2 omega MV6 estate. Cheers Rae.
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Re: Head gasket 3.2 v6
« Reply #1 on: 10 June 2018, 22:00:40 »

I'll start then,, are you sure it's the head gaskets. Very rare on a 3.2, has the oil cooler been checked.
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Re: Head gasket 3.2 v6
« Reply #2 on: 11 June 2018, 00:01:02 »

I'll start then,, are you sure it's the head gaskets. Very rare Unheard of on a 3.2, has the oil cooler been checked.

Fixed. ;)
What are the symptoms that make you think its head gaskets ?
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Re: Head gasket 3.2 v6
« Reply #3 on: 11 June 2018, 00:07:02 »

I was expecting that ha ha, yes unfortunately my top hose blew off on a very spirited drive lost all water and it got hot as hell before i noticed, the expansion tank is bubbling and it turns over for ages before it starts and it don't sound right turning over until it starts. Don't sound too bad when it does start though and the exhaust is clean no steam or smoke.
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Re: Head gasket 3.2 v6
« Reply #4 on: 11 June 2018, 01:37:05 »

Has the water pump been removed and checked?

Likewise the thermostat...
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Re: Head gasket 3.2 v6
« Reply #5 on: 11 June 2018, 07:48:47 »

It sounds like its down on compression the way it's turning over and taking a long time to start.
That and the bubbling is pretty convincing to me, i am sure it's gone (not my first HG failure by far).  Anyone fancy doing it?
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Re: Head gasket 3.2 v6
« Reply #6 on: 11 June 2018, 07:49:35 »

Before going in for surgery I think I'd get a "sniff test" done shouldn't cost much at all for a garage to do this and then you'd know if exhaust gases were getting to header tank.
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Re: Head gasket 3.2 v6
« Reply #7 on: 11 June 2018, 09:11:48 »

Before going in for surgery I think I'd get a "sniff test" done shouldn't cost much at all for a garage to do this and then you'd know if exhaust gases were getting to header tank.
DIY kit available for sniff test for £11 delivered
link clicky
saves the faf of booking garage time  :)
worth having if you collect head gaskets for garage wall art e.g
  (not my first HG failure by far). 
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Re: Head gasket 3.2 v6
« Reply #8 on: 11 June 2018, 09:46:44 »

Unless you have been a complete ladybits to your car since the day you bought it, then it will be pretty much the first 3.2 head gasket failure recorded in history...

Start with the basics...
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Re: Head gasket 3.2 v6
« Reply #9 on: 11 June 2018, 09:59:10 »

If not head gasket and its cooked, you split the piston liner, if it's not doing what it should when was starting /running before... I wouldn't waste time doing head gasket... replace the engine save money and time....

I can do both and have engines here...

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Re: Head gasket 3.2 v6
« Reply #10 on: 11 June 2018, 17:49:22 »

Thank Rob but that sounds very expensive please pm me a price mate. Ps
Radio works fine ::)
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Re: Head gasket 3.2 v6
« Reply #11 on: 11 June 2018, 21:10:07 »

Just as some advice, what would be a reasonable price for head gasket replacement
plus or minus a couple of hundred?
Gives me a chance to think of what to do next?
Shame is I havenít had it long and Iíve spent over a grand on it without what it cost me to buy!
Iíve always wanted one but maybe Iíve pissed it away. As for the ladybits, Iíve got a 400bhp
Evo2 for hooning about in which I regularly track. (Mind you Iíve broken it a few times using it
As it was built for).
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Re: Head gasket 3.2 v6
« Reply #12 on: 11 June 2018, 21:36:16 »

Will cost any way you go... Might save £100 by head gaskets but might be block split so could pay twice easy. I would drop another lump in it. Easier by far.
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Re: Head gasket 3.2 v6
« Reply #13 on: 11 June 2018, 22:13:37 »

Please forgive me for making my usual suggestion, but may I recommend a brilliant garage owner who is a well-respected member on here too?
Serek (SOS.automotive) in Huntingdon. Don't be frightened of the distance, it will be worth it.
Of course, you will need to message him privately first as I cannot speak for him.

Ron.
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Re: Head gasket 3.2 v6
« Reply #14 on: 11 June 2018, 22:39:42 »

Robsey will be probably be quicker and nearer to boot.

I suspect that it will also be a genuine lowish mileage lump too ;)
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Re: Head gasket 3.2 v6
« Reply #15 on: 11 June 2018, 23:01:17 »

Speak as Iíve found......, seems to be pretty good this forum, and Iím very grateful for all the replies,
been a member Autobahnstormers for many years now and thatís a real good un too, as Iím sure many in here know only too well. I will be weighing up the options and see what I decide.

As a few no doubt have been in this predicament their selves after spending out and having to either
Fork out or let it go for peanuts, Iím sure you will understand my dilemma.
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Re: Head gasket 3.2 v6
« Reply #16 on: 12 June 2018, 00:00:32 »

If you like it, and have some time in it then get it fixed...

A full service and a set of tyres doubles the values of most Omegas, and that's before you add fuel...

If it's a complete shitter, and about a month from its last mot then bin it...

Simples ;)
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Re: Head gasket 3.2 v6
« Reply #17 on: 12 June 2018, 00:16:23 »

Agreed but itís had two new engine mountains, new discs and pads all round, new tyres all round, two new wishbones, new thermostat and cam belt kit, all new filters, plugs, new ignition packs each side, lpg service, two oil and filter changes, new Ariel, and radio, long mot,  blah blah, what I forgot,
I really wanted it right, but there we are.
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Re: Head gasket 3.2 v6
« Reply #18 on: 12 June 2018, 00:26:54 »

Then fix it ::)

That's to say take Rob up on his offer ;)

I know he has a couple of engines on the shelf which will suit your needs ;)
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Re: Head gasket 3.2 v6
« Reply #19 on: 12 June 2018, 07:51:10 »

Or properly investigate the problem with your own engine. At least do a compression test. Seems crazy to swap engines without properly diagnosing what is wrong with the original.
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Re: Head gasket 3.2 v6
« Reply #20 on: 12 June 2018, 10:05:32 »

I'd pressure test or sniff test first, then go from there.
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Re: Head gasket 3.2 v6
« Reply #21 on: 12 June 2018, 18:41:59 »

Whilst I agree with the Oil Cooler and Pressure / Sniff test as being first call, I do know from experience that a rapid coolant being dumped when up to normal temp can kill these engines within a few mins.
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Re: Head gasket 3.2 v6
« Reply #22 on: 12 June 2018, 19:24:01 »

Or properly investigate the problem with your own engine. At least do a compression test. Seems crazy to swap engines without properly diagnosing what is wrong with the original.
The thing is Albs, that you could waste a weekend and a couple of hundred quid swapping the head gaskets (not likely to be the real issue on this engine notwithstanding) only to find that it's still donald because the crank has spun a bearing or worse...

Swapping the engine can be done in an afternoon for the same parts cost as a pair of new head gaskets. Dead engine can then be stripped and rebuilt at leisure.  ;)

Ignoring the sarcastic comment about the radio still working if the thermostat has stuck shut or the water pump has failed, then coolant won't flow, and will get hot. If it can't expand within the system then it will build pressure and blow a hose. The top hose is almost always the one that goes as it's the largest diameter and can therefore stretch to a greater degree allowing a much higher burst pressure.

This could even have been caused by something as simple as a £5 expansion tank cap failing...
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Re: Head gasket 3.2 v6
« Reply #23 on: 14 June 2018, 09:53:14 »

No, Zirk is right, catastrophic head gasket failiure
Due to dumping all the water quickly whilst I was
Pulling hard uphill. Spun a bearing? No chance,
Engine is running very nicely once it starts if I leave
The cap very loose, the moment I rev it a little though
It bubbles violently, itís gone, hopefully because
It happened so quickly maybe thatís all it is and
no warping or splits etc, radio will still work even
with thermostat gone but thankfully canít get radio
one ha ha. But on serious note I donít know if
I can justify spending any more hard earned on
her now :'(
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Re: Head gasket 3.2 v6
« Reply #24 on: 14 June 2018, 11:26:12 »

I will believe its head gasket failure when I see pics of the failed gasket. Not trying to offend, just aware it has never been known on a 2.6/ 3.2 engine.
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Re: Head gasket 3.2 v6
« Reply #25 on: 14 June 2018, 13:11:01 »

I will believe its head gasket failure when I see pics of the failed gasket. Not trying to offend, just aware it has never been known on a 2.6/ 3.2 engine.


That makes it unlikely, not impossible. And the reported symptoms ARE those of a catastrophic HG failure.


Doing a leak down test would be my next step (actually several steps ago)  to actually diagnose the problem properly, rather than rely on OOF dogma.
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Re: Head gasket 3.2 v6
« Reply #26 on: 14 June 2018, 13:22:16 »

I will believe its head gasket failure when I see pics of the failed gasket. Not trying to offend, just aware it has never been known on a 2.6/ 3.2 engine.


That makes it unlikely, not impossible. And the reported symptoms ARE those of a catastrophic HG failure.


Doing a leak down test would be my next step (actually several steps ago)  to actually diagnose the problem properly, rather than rely on OOF dogma.

Agreed ,  along with a couple of others here , 2.6 /3.2 HG failure is really unheard of ,not to say there has never been any though.  But  basic testing , as suggested, will make things much clearer rather than "guessing".
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Re: Head gasket 3.2 v6
« Reply #27 on: 14 June 2018, 20:35:43 »

While I appreciate all the help and comments
here, I must stress I have a fair bit of experience
of failures. This is chuffing out of the tank visibly
when reved and stinks of petrol, itís failed.  Itís coming apart
pictures will be posted when we get there.
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