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Re: Mary Ellis - Last of the Spitfire Girls
« Reply #15 on: 28 July 2018, 11:15:56 »

The Navy possibly ran over her in haste. Or the reported sighting was a mistake.

Well that is one explanation, with a ship (RN?) running over her in the sea, that some believe and that is why the authorities kept it all secret.

The other common explanation I have read, with even facts given about the RAF pilot involved, is that Amy failed twice to give the daily identification code to a challenging RAF fighter as was the common practice and was shot down as a possible enemy flown aircraft.  That could well explain the secrecy that the authorities of the time placed on this strange case. ;)
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Re: Mary Ellis - Last of the Spitfire Girls
« Reply #17 on: 28 July 2018, 15:11:50 »

What a fantastic lady bet her family were proud of her, certainly don't make them like that nowadays.R.I.P. Wonderful Lady.
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Re: Mary Ellis - Last of the Spitfire Girls
« Reply #18 on: 28 July 2018, 18:48:57 »

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mystery-behind-death-aviator-amy-9528648

Interesting write-up here.

Yes, that is really interesting Shackeng and certainly seems more plausible than the other explanations.  It could also explain why some have thought she was drawn into the plans propellor and hacked to pieces, but actually it was the rescue ship that caused her death with it's propellers.  It also is a satisfactory explanation as to why the authorities kept the circumstances of her death so secret with no body being recovered.

Once more a brave lady who died in the course of her vital war work, but along with Mary Ellis all the ATA girls risked death on every journey, and, as no doubt you well know Shackeng, flying always carries a risk, with flying during 1939-45, a major war and relying on the aero technology of the day, particularly risky!! :o :o
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Re: Mary Ellis - Last of the Spitfire Girls
« Reply #19 on: 28 July 2018, 18:59:20 »

It was a sad footnote that the ship's captain died as a result of trying to save her!
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Re: Mary Ellis - Last of the Spitfire Girls
« Reply #20 on: 29 July 2018, 12:05:37 »

It was a sad footnote that the ship's captain died as a result of trying to save her!

Indeed, and the poor, brave fella, died knowing the ship under his command had just killed a national heroine. :'( :'(
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Re: Mary Ellis - Last of the Spitfire Girls
« Reply #21 on: 29 July 2018, 15:58:10 »

I did not consciously know when I originally posted that this is what is most likely to have happened  :'(

No way to go, especially in front of an audience.
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Re: Mary Ellis - Last of the Spitfire Girls
« Reply #22 on: 29 July 2018, 16:42:42 »

I did not consciously know when I originally posted that this is what is most likely to have happened  :'(

No way to go, especially in front of an audience.

Yep DG, and just proves that sometimes the truth is stranger than fiction!  I did not know about HMS Haslemere before yesterday ;)
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Re: Mary Ellis - Last of the Spitfire Girls
« Reply #23 on: 29 July 2018, 20:52:00 »

I can't even get to see that link.When I click on it I get a blank page apart from[in heavy black lettering]403 FORBIDDEN at the top of the page ???
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Re: Mary Ellis - Last of the Spitfire Girls
« Reply #24 on: 30 July 2018, 17:53:44 »

I can't even get to see that link.When I click on it I get a blank page apart from[in heavy black lettering]403 FORBIDDEN at the top of the page ???

Try it again.  It is working for me:

https://mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mystery-behind-death-aviator-amy-9528648

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Re: Mary Ellis - Last of the Spitfire Girls
« Reply #25 on: 30 July 2018, 20:28:26 »

Nope still the same.just have to give that one a miss.
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Re: Mary Ellis - Last of the Spitfire Girls
« Reply #26 on: 31 July 2018, 18:27:03 »

Nope still the same.just have to give that one a miss.


For you Baza, a basic cut and paste of the main body of the article:

"Mystery behind the death of aviator Amy Johnson may finally have been solved
Witnesses say that after pilot Amy ditched in the Thames Estuary the boat sent to save her accidentally reversed into her and the propellor chopped her to pieces

Using little more than makeshift maps and a compass, daring Amy had completed incredible journeys. But she ran out of records to set and decided to serve Britain in the Second World War by delivering planes around the country for the RAF .

It was a decision that cost Amy her life, sparking a mystery that still persists today.

Her body was never found and historian Dr Alec Gill believes the evidence points to a grisly end for Amy, chopped up by the propeller blades of the ship sent to rescue her from perishing cold Thames Estuary.

Amy was 37 when, on January 5, 1941, she flew through snow and freezing fog, with a broken compass, to deliver a new Airspeed Oxford plane from Blackpool to Oxfordshire.

She had defied orders to stay put. The flight should have taken 90 minutes but four hours later she crashed off the Kent coast near Herne Bay.

Most historians believe she got lost in the thick cloud and was blown badly off course.

When her plane ran critically short of fuel she spotted the Royal Navy convoy in the Thames and bailed out, for the first and last time in her glittering career, hoping to be rescued.

Seconds after opening her parachute she crashed into the water. Her fingers turned white as she waved frantically for help, before she vanished.

It was presumed she had drowned but fresh evidence may finally explain why her body was never found. It is claimed she was accidentally killed by her rescue ship.

The revelation comes from Harry Gould, 84, whose father, also called Harry, was a Naval reservist on HMS Haslemere.

Harry says the ship had hit a sandbank and was put in reverse to break free.

He says: “So many of the crew were trying to help Amy, but with the ship moving they couldn’t reach her.

“My father saw she was getting too close to the stern and shouted up to the bridge, telling them to cut the engines because they were going the wrong way. But they didn’t listen.

“One of the officers shouted back, ‘Don’t you tell me what to do!’ If they had listened to him Amy might have survived.

“A few seconds later she was dragged under the boat. Everyone thought she had been cut to pieces by the propellers. It’s an awful way for such a special person to die.” Harry and his crewmates were not called to give evidence at the 1943 inquiry into Amy’s death.

But hidden in the official report there is support for his story, from RAF clerk Derek Roberts, whose friend Cpl Bill Hall was also on HMS Haslemere.

It reveals how Amy drifted near the ship, identified herself and complained the water was “bitterly cold”, urging the crew to “get her out as soon as possible”.

“They threw her a rope but she couldn’t get hold if it. Then someone dashed up to the bridge and reversed the ship’s engines. As a result, she was drawn into the propeller and chopped to pieces.” The ship’s captain Lt Cdr Walter Fletcher dived into the water, with a rope tied around his waist, to search for her.

He had to be pulled from the river and died of hypothermia later that day. He was awarded the Albert Medal for his courage.

Dr Gill says a sailor “was within five feet of reaching Amy’s hand. They must have looked into each other’s eyes. It’s tragic.

“This ship should have gone down in history as the ship that saved Amy’s life. Instead, historians are beginning to conclude that the propellers of the ­Haslemere killed her and that’s why her body was never found. That wasn’t even mentioned when her parents were still alive.”

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The article in the Daily Mirror online is full of photo's, advertising, and much text, so it may all be overwhelming your box of tricks!

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Re: Mary Ellis - Last of the Spitfire Girls
« Reply #27 on: 01 August 2018, 19:00:56 »

Thanks muchly for that Lizzie :y
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Re: Mary Ellis - Last of the Spitfire Girls
« Reply #28 on: 01 August 2018, 20:00:22 »

 
Thanks muchly for that Lizzie :y

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Re: Mary Ellis - Last of the Spitfire Girls
« Reply #29 on: 02 August 2018, 00:49:37 »

RIP  :'(
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