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Re: 48 letters delivered?
« Reply #90 on: 14 December 2018, 14:01:40 »


With BREXIT now we should withdraw from it as the European Court of Justice has ruled we can, without penalty.  Then, with new leadership and a review of what we want to base BREXIT on, with perhaps a chance for the British public to comment by way of a vote that clearly instructs our elected representatives to seek a new BREXIT on terms that truly echo what they want (if that is possible!!) and will give our country the freedoms and powers suitable for our needs. ;)

So what you are saying Lizzie is that we revoke A50, take a deep breath, a step back, another referendum and then invoke A50 for a second time.  ???

That would really endear us to our EU masters, friends and neighbours!  ;D
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« Reply #91 on: 14 December 2018, 14:10:14 »


With BREXIT now we should withdraw from it as the European Court of Justice has ruled we can, without penalty.  Then, with new leadership and a review of what we want to base BREXIT on, with perhaps a chance for the British public to comment by way of a vote that clearly instructs our elected representatives to seek a new BREXIT on terms that truly echo what they want (if that is possible!!) and will give our country the freedoms and powers suitable for our needs. ;)

So what you are saying Lizzie is that we revoke A50, take a deep breath, a step back, another referendum and then invoke A50 for a second time.  ???

That would really endear us to our EU masters, friends and neighbours!  ;D

Yes, and it is not perfect, but what else is open to us all now?  What other options that can actually work are open to the UK?

All I hear is a blame game going on, and no one suggesting a real solution.  The time for leadership and a fresh approach is now, just as Neville Chamberlain was replaced by Winston Churchill May 1940 to bring about a fresh approach in the war against Adolf Hitler.  A far bigger threat than exiting the EU!! ;)

..............and as for "That would really endear us to our EU masters, friends and neighbours!"; I think we are now beyond worrying about that, and anyway sod em!! ;)
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Re: 48 letters delivered?
« Reply #92 on: 14 December 2018, 14:36:54 »

Fortunately, or otherwise, this is still a democracy and not a military state, aka dictatorship. Thank God.

Regrouping and putting everything on hold is neither workable, nor legal.

With or without an agreed deal, we are leaving the EU on 29th March 2019.

Accept this, by whatever means necessary, and move on... Hopefully forwards with the rest of us. There's a good lass.
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« Reply #93 on: 14 December 2018, 15:17:08 »

Fortunately, or otherwise, this is still a democracy and not a military state, aka dictatorship. Thank God.

Regrouping and putting everything on hold is neither workable, nor legal.

With or without an agreed deal, we are leaving the EU on 29th March 2019.

Accept this, by whatever means necessary, and move on... Hopefully forwards with the rest of us. There's a good lass.

Yes it is as the European Court of Justice ruled that the UK can withdraw quite legally from article 50 without penalty.

As for being told to move on like a good lass.........I won't even answer that fully apart from saying I am from a military family who have always studied history and politics and can say our piece on both as an equal. I am not one to go along with everything as some headless chicken, and management, let alone our military connection, taught me to get rid of people who were the problem and replace with those that are part of the solution. That way you win.

We are now in a situation where difficult decisions will have to be made as the EU will not budge on their deal. We need those with a vision of how to go forward, and not the continual back stabbers out there at the moment; indeed the man or women of the moment is what we need.  Someone who can really take us all forward with a new deal, and that will not be the one offered up next week.  So a new approach is required. ;)
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« Reply #94 on: 14 December 2018, 16:48:12 »

..............and as for "That would really endear us to our EU masters, friends and neighbours!"; I think we are now beyond worrying about that, and anyway sod em!! ;)

That's the spirit!  :y  ;D
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« Reply #95 on: 14 December 2018, 16:50:35 »

Fortunately, or otherwise, this is still a democracy and not a military state, aka dictatorship. Thank God.

Regrouping and putting everything on hold is neither workable, nor legal.

With or without an agreed deal, we are leaving the EU on 29th March 2019.

Accept this, by whatever means necessary, and move on... Hopefully forwards with the rest of us. There's a good lass.

Maybe......perhaps.....who knows. :)
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Re: 48 letters delivered?
« Reply #96 on: 15 December 2018, 00:21:25 »

If most Remainers, instead of a small minority, had accepted the democratic result and had acted like adults, been patriotic, rather than fifth columns by channeling their efforts into a successful Brexit and a successful UK we would not be where we are now with all their plotting, collusion and hidden agendas. IMO absolutely shameful how they have behaved. >:( >:( >:(

So, because 52% of voters chose an option I don't believe in I should set my beliefs aside and muck in? That's not being an adult, that's being an automaton.

By that logic, can I expect you to become a raving socialist if Corbyn were elected? As you say, if he gets the majority of the vote, you should act like an adult, be patriotic and support him.  ::)
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Re: 48 letters delivered?
« Reply #97 on: 15 December 2018, 10:09:09 »

Fortunately, or otherwise, this is still a democracy and not a military state, aka dictatorship. Thank God.

Regrouping and putting everything on hold is neither workable, nor legal.

With or without an agreed deal, we are leaving the EU on 29th March 2019.

Accept this, by whatever means necessary, and move on... Hopefully forwards with the rest of us. There's a good lass.

Yes it is as the European Court of Justice ruled that the UK can withdraw quite legally from article 50 without penalty.

As for being told to move on like a good lass.........I won't even answer that fully apart from saying I am from a military family who have always studied history and politics and can say our piece on both as an equal. I am not one to go along with everything as some headless chicken, and management, let alone our military connection, taught me to get rid of people who were the problem and replace with those that are part of the solution. That way you win.

We are now in a situation where difficult decisions will have to be made as the EU will not budge on their deal. We need those with a vision of how to go forward, and not the continual back stabbers out there at the moment; indeed the man or women of the moment is what we need.  Someone who can really take us all forward with a new deal, and that will not be the one offered up next week.  So a new approach is required. ;)
It's a shit deal all round. Was always going to be.

But...

It is only intended to see us up to 29th March 2019. From 30th March 2019 the actual negotiations to establish our place in the global market place, which includes the EU.

Leaving with No Deal sees us start from a WTO rules position which gives as a mirror finished starting point.

Trying to renegotiate the proposed deal that no one likes, is akin to trying to change the colour of a wedding dress the day before you get married... and will garner one of two responses, either £££ or No.

No being the rational response... but of course by offering to allow us to revoke Article 50, the EU has effectively told the ECJ to do this so that they can, and will, screw us financially for an unlimited amount.

Be under no illusion that the ECJ reached this decision by its free will or legal merit. Juncker, Tusk, Merkel et al would have insisted on it to try and force events preventing us from leaving.

So again, no deal is the best deal. Come March 30th, we can move forward entirely on our terms.
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« Reply #98 on: 15 December 2018, 14:49:40 »

Fortunately, or otherwise, this is still a democracy and not a military state, aka dictatorship. Thank God.

Regrouping and putting everything on hold is neither workable, nor legal.

With or without an agreed deal, we are leaving the EU on 29th March 2019.

Accept this, by whatever means necessary, and move on... Hopefully forwards with the rest of us. There's a good lass.

You do come across as a condescending tit some times
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Re: 48 letters delivered?
« Reply #99 on: 15 December 2018, 15:37:45 »

We all have our moments  :-[
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« Reply #100 on: 17 December 2018, 09:03:15 »

They keep warbling about another referendum to establish "the will of the people". Like it or not, there's only one way that vote would go at this point (remain) and since the ECJ has kindly said we can withdraw our Art. 50 declaration, we'll stay in the EU.

That's my prediction, anyway.
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« Reply #101 on: 17 December 2018, 09:55:58 »

If there is another referendum woouldnt that open up the way for Scotland to have another one?

Parliament has got us into this mess. Conservatives led by a remainer and opposed by Labour led by a leaver. Well those are their hues last time I looked.

What would be the questions on such a referendum?

Stay in EU as a cowed country forever subservient to eurozone core
Leave wiith purgatory of cliff edge no deal

Who would put the case fairly and accurately for each?

How about the EU treats the UK like a teenager leaving home. Still a full member for five years during which time they can make their own way in the world ( making trade deals) then after up to five years make a clean break. Win win for everyone.

 
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« Reply #102 on: 17 December 2018, 10:00:44 »

How about the EU treats the UK like a teenager leaving home. Still a full member for five years during which time they can make their own way in the world ( making trade deals) then after up to five years make a clean break. Win win for everyone.

Then when we're 30 and we've broken up with our girlfriend (America) we move back in, rent free? :D
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« Reply #103 on: 17 December 2018, 10:01:21 »

They keep warbling about another referendum to establish "the will of the people". Like it or not, there's only one way that vote would go at this point (remain) and since the ECJ has kindly said we can withdraw our Art. 50 declaration, we'll stay in the EU.

That's my prediction, anyway.

Weak n Wobbly has said a 2nd referendum is out of the question. Shall we start a sweepstake as to when it's going to be?  ;D
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« Reply #104 on: 17 December 2018, 10:43:45 »

How about the EU treats the UK like a teenager leaving home. Still a full member for five years during which time they can make their own way in the world ( making trade deals) then after up to five years make a clean break. Win win for everyone.

Then when we're 30 and we've broken up with our girlfriend (America) we move back in, rent free? :D

Now you are being negative . My parents rule was we could stay as long as we liked but once we left that was it. Rent free member of the EU? That may gain traction as a way forward. :y
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