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old photos Scottish aquaduct construction
« on: 02 March 2019, 15:09:07 »

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-47238701

Construction of the Katrine aquaduct
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Re: old photos Scottish aquaduct construction
« Reply #1 on: 02 March 2019, 15:31:16 »

Great photos Varche 8) 8) :y :y

Days gone by when Health & Safety did not exist!

I love photographic evidence of those wonderful days of Victorian / Edwardian engineering. :-* :-* :y
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« Reply #2 on: 02 March 2019, 16:51:22 »

Great photos Varche 8) 8) :y :y

Days gone by when Health & Safety did not exist!

I love photographic evidence of those wonderful days of Victorian / Edwardian engineering. :-* :-* :y


I wonder how many deaths and serious injuries there were on that project.   :-\

I suspect if the figures were available we'd be staggered.  ::)
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Re: old photos Scottish aquaduct construction
« Reply #3 on: 02 March 2019, 17:55:46 »

Great photos Varche 8) 8) :y :y

Days gone by when Health & Safety did not exist!

I love photographic evidence of those wonderful days of Victorian / Edwardian engineering. :-* :-* :y


I wonder how many deaths and serious injuries there were on that project.   :-\

I suspect if the figures were available we'd be staggered.  ::)
In Scotland, in those days, people only lived to 45 anyway. It's only with the modern healthcare system they've managed to increase that to 48.
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Re: old photos Scottish aquaduct construction
« Reply #4 on: 02 March 2019, 18:10:59 »

Amazing  :)
and the photos where destined to the tip  ::)
It's a shame how much history we loose , but thankfully they still make it  ;D

of course, those Builders got lots done ,
(because their families didn't have cars that needed fixing  ;D)
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« Reply #5 on: 02 March 2019, 18:13:32 »

Amazing  :)
and the photos where destined to the tip  ::)
It's a shame how much history we loose , but thankfully they still make it  ;D

of course, those Builders got lots done ,
(because their families didn't have cars that needed fixing  ;D)
Or, maybe, because if they didn't work, they and their family starved.
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Re: old photos Scottish aquaduct construction
« Reply #6 on: 02 March 2019, 18:15:52 »

Great photos Varche 8) 8) :y :y

Days gone by when Health & Safety did not exist!

I love photographic evidence of those wonderful days of Victorian / Edwardian engineering. :-* :-* :y


I wonder how many deaths and serious injuries there were on that project.   :-\

I suspect if the figures were available we'd be staggered.  ::)
In Scotland, in those days, people only lived to 45 anyway. It's only with the modern healthcare system they've managed to increase that to 48.

Does that mean Wee Krankie is about to expire?  ???  ;D
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Re: old photos Scottish aquaduct construction
« Reply #7 on: 02 March 2019, 19:04:54 »

Great photos Varche 8) 8) :y :y

Days gone by when Health & Safety did not exist!

I love photographic evidence of those wonderful days of Victorian / Edwardian engineering. :-* :-* :y


I wonder how many deaths and serious injuries there were on that project.   :-\

I suspect if the figures were available we'd be staggered.  ::)

I have tried to do some quick research on that but so far have found no verified figures. What is clear though is that during an earlier cholera outbreak in Glasgow 4,000 people died. After the new clean water suppLy came into use in one year, 1865/66 just 53 died from cholera. So the level of deaths sustained during the building work with many tunnels, aqueducts and cuttings constructed, I suspect the deaths matched those sustained whilst building the railways.

I know that when the Woodhead tunnels were built during 1839/52, as many navvies died as soldiers lost in the Battle of Waterloo. This raised serious questions in Parliament about the safety of the navvies building the then fast developing railway network.  The deaths would have included however not only the navvies but also their wives and families. Many were overcome by the likes of cholera and the generally awful living conditions in the navvies encampments.  Certainly, even in the 1880's and 1890's as many as 500 navvies were still being killed every year. It is also recorded that the building of Box tunnel on the London to Bath GWR main line, completed by Brunel in 1841, cost 100 lives over 5 years :'(  :'(

The building of all these major engineering projects always cost many lives, but in those days the expectant length of life was very short for the working man, and women :'(
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Re: old photos Scottish aquaduct construction
« Reply #8 on: 03 March 2019, 08:50:02 »

Great photos Varche 8) 8) :y :y

Days gone by when Health & Safety did not exist!

I love photographic evidence of those wonderful days of Victorian / Edwardian engineering. :-* :-* :y


I wonder how many deaths and serious injuries there were on that project.   :-\

I suspect if the figures were available we'd be staggered.  ::)
In Scotland, in those days, people only lived to 45 anyway. It's only with the modern healthcare system they've managed to increase that to 48.

You are right Steve.  I know you are joking about the healthcare system increasing the age to 48, but the truth is close to that. 

The NHS was designed not just to help individuals with their health needs and extend their lives, but to ensure the working class could be quickly 'repaired' and put back to work for the good of the nation. An ill worker produces nothing, so the NHS helped to ensure all that could work would do so quickly after illness. Echoes there of National Socialism! The whole is more important than the individual, but also with echoes of the time of the Industrial Revolution and back to the cave! We are still there, and now the NHS is creaking under the strain of keeping so many alive who all those years ago would have perished. ;)

Back in the Victorian era British life expectancy was 45, as you stated Steve, but for the Middle class.  For the working class it was half that, especially during the first three quarters of Victoria's reign.  Children were lucky to be successfully born with mother and baby surviving, and then reaching the age of 5. Only advances in healthcare and medical science started to bring the life expentency levels up to higher ages. ;)

I have always used the Office of National Statistics in my research as it is as verified as you can get. You may appreciate this information then:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/lifeexpectancies/articles/howhaslifeexpectancychangedovertime/2015-09-09

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Re: old photos Scottish aquaduct construction
« Reply #9 on: 03 March 2019, 09:08:11 »

Great photos Varche 8) 8) :y :y

Days gone by when Health & Safety did not exist!

I love photographic evidence of those wonderful days of Victorian / Edwardian engineering. :-* :-* :y


I wonder how many deaths and serious injuries there were on that project.   :-\

I suspect if the figures were available we'd be staggered.  ::)
In Scotland, in those days, people only lived to 45 anyway. It's only with the modern healthcare system they've managed to increase that to 48.

You are right Steve.  I know you are joking about the healthcare system increasing the age to 48, but the truth is close to that. 

The NHS was designed not just to help individuals with their health needs and extend their lives, but to ensure the working class could be quickly 'repaired' and put back to work for the good of the nation. An ill worker produces nothing, so the NHS helped to ensure all that could work would do so quickly after illness. Echoes there of National Socialism! The whole is more important than the individual, but also with echoes of the time of the Industrial Revolution and back to the cave! We are still there, and now the NHS is creaking under the strain of keeping so many alive who all those years ago would have perished. ;)

Back in the Victorian era British life expectancy was 45, as you stated Steve, but for the Middle class.  For the working class it was half that, especially during the first three quarters of Victoria's reign.  Children were lucky to be successfully born with mother and baby surviving, and then reaching the age of 5. Only advances in healthcare and medical science started to bring the life expentency levels up to higher ages. ;)

I have always used the Office of National Statistics in my research as it is as verified as you can get. You may appreciate this information then as it is a very interesting insight into the statistics behind the images we have of the Victorian industrial landscape:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/lifeexpectancies/articles/howhaslifeexpectancychangedovertime/2015-09-09

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Re: old photos Scottish aquaduct construction
« Reply #10 on: 03 March 2019, 09:11:59 »

Error ; bloody iPad and my fingers!! ;D
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