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Re: Big vote tomorrow.
« Reply #120 on: Today at 15:25:00 »

The reason it is a mess is because you have a remainer PM & MP majority determined to keep us in the EU. May's deal is deliberately so awful & locks us permanently into its crippling terms with the backstop so we are a vassal state at the mercy of the Brussels' dictatorship with no say on what they impose and we have to make a £39bn reparations downpayment for nothing. The deal also includes them taking control of our armed forces & what equipment they can procure.

The last time the French imposed such damning terms was at the Treaty of Versailles and it lead to the rise of Fascism, Hitler & WWII. May's BRINO deal will do the same, if passed, as the only way we can escape these terms in this international treaty will be through politics by other means, which is war. I would prefer my children & grandchildren not to be part of another decimated generation, but I don't see any other get out. As usual it will be us, the normal citizens, that will pay the price of the establishment's folly & personal EU enrichment at our expense.

UKIP has already been hijacked by the far right, so that is your new fascist party, Labour is your far left Marxist one & May is destroying her nasty party, where many people, including me, will never vote for them again. Corbyn's Marxist party now has a 3% lead in the polls. To date we have kept the far left & right parties as minorities but not anymore if BRINO happens. 17.4m Leavers voters who are being ignored by the establishment again and many will take direct action like the French Yellow Jackets until they aren't ignored.

A moderate senior Tory party member said Brexit was a safely valve where no UK political party now represents the working class & they have seen their wages & working conditions hammered through a combination of mass migration & globalization. Where their vote is ignored by the politicians they are now directly shouting at them like calling Soubry a Nazi & if they are still ignored civil disobedience and worse are next. Personally, I've never known such a large section of the electorate to be so angry even the attempted imposition of the Poll Tax was not as bad and we know what happened there.

So if the Remainers succeed in destroying UK democracy by ignoring a clear mandate from 17.4m leavers & handing control of the UK to Brussels so we are a province of the new German empire, we are not going to shrug our shoulders & say that's alright then. May & her grey suits are playing with fire.
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Re: Big vote tomorrow.
« Reply #121 on: Today at 15:59:33 »

The reason it is a mess is because you have a remainer PM & MP majority determined to keep us in the EU. May's deal is deliberately so awful & locks us permanently into its crippling terms with the backstop so we are a vassal state at the mercy of the Brussels' dictatorship with no say on what they impose and we have to make a £39bn reparations downpayment for nothing. The deal also includes them taking control of our armed forces & what equipment they can procure.

The last time the French imposed such damning terms was at the Treaty of Versailles and it lead to the rise of Fascism, Hitler & WWII. May's BRINO deal will do the same, if passed, as the only way we can escape these terms in this international treaty will be through politics by other means, which is war. I would prefer my children & grandchildren not to be part of another decimated generation, but I don't see any other get out. As usual it will be us, the normal citizens, that will pay the price of the establishment's folly & personal EU enrichment at our expense.

UKIP has already been hijacked by the far right, so that is your new fascist party, Labour is your far left Marxist one & May is destroying her nasty party, where many people, including me, will never vote for them again. Corbyn's Marxist party now has a 3% lead in the polls. To date we have kept the far left & right parties as minorities but not anymore if BRINO happens. 17.4m Leavers voters who are being ignored by the establishment again and many will take direct action like the French Yellow Jackets until they aren't ignored.

A moderate senior Tory party member said Brexit was a safely valve where no UK political party now represents the working class & they have seen their wages & working conditions hammered through a combination of mass migration & globalization. Where their vote is ignored by the politicians they are now directly shouting at them like calling Soubry a Nazi & if they are still ignored civil disobedience and worse are next. Personally, I've never known such a large section of the electorate to be so angry even the attempted imposition of the Poll Tax was not as bad and we know what happened there.

So if the Remainers succeed in destroying UK democracy by ignoring a clear mandate from 17.4m leavers & handing control of the UK to Brussels so we are a province of the new German empire, we are not going to shrug our shoulders & say that's alright then. May & her grey suits are playing with fire.
Maybe, just maybe, she is playing for time. Like a rugby match at 75 minutes she just needs to maintain the status quo and avoid going into extra time to deliver the brexit that the majority voted for.....
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Re: Big vote tomorrow.
« Reply #122 on: Today at 17:31:30 »

Cannot see May delivering anything that fits “ leave the EU”

Saw something on TV that said turnaround day had been reached . I.e. old codger voters ( typically leave)  had died and been replaced by youngsters ( typically remain ) reaching voting age. So wait for say another ten years and a vote would statistically be for remain.

I have a strong suspicion that you are right Rods2 , if the Remain MP minority manage to overturn the majority people vote that violence will be the outcome.  Then people will be shocked and not able to understand why?
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