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Hi Beam
« on: 18 September 2017, 07:16:50 »

Hi all,my hi beam has stopped working wont flash or come on permanently.I have ordered a new stalk but if its a wiring problem how hard would it be to find the fault.Dean.
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Re: Hi Beam
« Reply #1 on: 18 September 2017, 07:52:17 »

I would check the fuse and the relay first  :y
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Re: Hi Beam
« Reply #2 on: 18 September 2017, 08:14:08 »

I would check the fuse and the relay first  :y
Mr Gav,would you happen to know what fuse it is and where is the relay.Dean.
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Re: Hi Beam
« Reply #3 on: 18 September 2017, 10:08:57 »

I would check the fuse and the relay first  :y
Mr Gav,would you happen to know what fuse it is and where is the relay.Dean.

I think, from memory that the fuse and relay layout are on the fuse box cover, just below the steering wheel and to the right.

I couldn`t tell you which ones they are though, sorry.
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Re: Hi Beam
« Reply #4 on: 18 September 2017, 17:03:21 »

I would check the fuse and the relay first  :y
Not to mention the bulbs...
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Re: Hi Beam
« Reply #5 on: 18 September 2017, 20:24:51 »

I would check the fuse and the relay first  :y
Not to mention the bulbs...

True but highly unlikely they would both go at the same time.

I think in all the years of driving older cars I`ve only had one stalk give me problems and never had wiring problems.
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Re: Hi Beam
« Reply #6 on: 18 September 2017, 20:30:38 »

I would check the fuse and the relay first  :y
Not to mention the bulbs...

True but highly unlikely they would both go at the same time.

I think in all the years of driving older cars I`ve only had one stalk give me problems and never had wiring problems.

SWMBO had an Astra that both dipped beam bulbs went within a day or 2 of each other
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Re: Hi Beam
« Reply #7 on: 18 September 2017, 20:54:27 »

I would check the fuse and the relay first  :y
Not to mention the bulbs...

True but highly unlikely they would both go at the same time.

I think in all the years of driving older cars I`ve only had one stalk give me problems and never had wiring problems.
Depends... once one has gone unnoticed, tother won't be far behind if used regularly...
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Re: Hi Beam
« Reply #8 on: 18 September 2017, 21:21:10 »

does the dash blue light come on ?
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Re: Hi Beam
« Reply #9 on: 19 September 2017, 08:35:28 »

does the dash blue light come on ?
No but its a bit weird,the other day they came on then as i was driving they flickered on and off,now they don't come on at all.Dean.
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Re: Hi Beam
« Reply #10 on: 19 September 2017, 12:55:12 »

Is it not one of the smaller black relays in the cabin fuse/relay box, same as the type for the fogs ? (can be swapped to prove)
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Re: Hi Beam
« Reply #11 on: 19 September 2017, 18:47:56 »

Is it not one of the smaller black relays in the cabin fuse/relay box, same as the type for the fogs ? (can be swapped to prove)
One of the small black ones, but same as the Self Levelling one :y

It will most likely be the relay IME, failing that, the stalk (which tends to cause opposite - bringing full beam on unexpectedly, esp under braking)
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Re: Hi Beam
« Reply #12 on: 19 September 2017, 19:08:26 »

i havnt tried it on mine but if it was a relay would the blue dash light not come on too ? or is the relay downstream of that ?
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Re: Hi Beam
« Reply #13 on: 19 September 2017, 19:30:12 »

suspect main big fuse by battery number 6 or main beam relay
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Re: Hi Beam
« Reply #14 on: 19 September 2017, 19:35:57 »

relay is the top small black one in the box under steering column.with this pulled nothing happens.no main beam,no blue light either. so check main underbonnet fuse 6 and this relay .
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Re: Hi Beam
« Reply #15 on: 21 September 2017, 15:09:10 »

relay is the top small black one in the box under steering column.with this pulled nothing happens.no main beam,no blue light either. so check main underbonnet fuse 6 and this relay .
Just going to check now,if the relay or fuse 6 has gone.Is it best to buy from vx,also TB you are right when the stalk went peat tong last time 2 years ago.The main beam came on when i was driving,so its a good chance its the relay or the fuse.I know the fuse box under the steering wheel is numbered,but is the box in the engine bay numbered.Dean. 
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Re: Hi Beam
« Reply #16 on: 21 September 2017, 15:19:20 »

the big main fuse under the bonnet also runs other things so if nothing else is amiss then the relay is a good starting point. examine the relay or swap it with other similar type if there is one. you could also put a voltmeter or small bulb with leads to the terminals in the fusebox where the relay fits to confirm if the relay is getting voltage (see relay for coil terminals markings) and also to try bridge the relay output pins to see if main beam comes on. just checked on mine now for you. the small pins on the relay should get power when you turn lights on main or flash and the two larger terminals are the output. bridge these and beam should come on. there are two fuses in the cabin for main beam left and main beam right. unlikely they would both blow together. so suspect relay first.confirm as described .
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Re: Hi Beam
« Reply #17 on: 21 September 2017, 15:30:04 »

the big main fuse under the bonnet also runs other things so if nothing else is amiss then the relay is a good starting point. examine the relay or swap it with other similar type if there is one. you could also put a voltmeter or small bulb with leads to the terminals in the fusebox where the relay fits to confirm if the relay is getting voltage (see relay for coil terminals markings) and also to try bridge the relay output pins to see if main beam comes on. just checked on mine now for you. the small pins on the relay should get power when you turn lights on main or flash and the two larger terminals are the output. bridge these and beam should come on. there are two fuses in the cabin for main beam left and main beam right. unlikely they would both blow together. so suspect relay first.confirm as described .
Thanks for that,i think there is a link to pics of the cabin fuse layout and engine fuse layout but i cant find it Dean.
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Re: Hi Beam
« Reply #18 on: 23 September 2017, 09:55:50 »

Hi all just a quick update.I went out last night as it was dark i tried the full beam,both flash and permanent worked for 10 min then went off.I have the layout for the fuses in the cabin but not the relays,in the cabin or the engine bay.I can see two small relays in the cabin box to the left of the fuses both next to each other,are they the ones you mean.I am a bit reluctant to start pulling fuses and relays,in case i knacker some thing else up.Dean.
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Re: Hi Beam
« Reply #19 on: 23 September 2017, 12:40:24 »

yes the left hand small relay is the main beam one. mine only has that one. if the other is the same which i would think it is swap them to eliminate it . cheers..also if everything else works ok then the underbonnet fuses are most likely ok .
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Re: Hi Beam
« Reply #20 on: 25 September 2017, 17:42:42 »

yes the left hand small relay is the main beam one. mine only has that one. if the other is the same which i would think it is swap them to eliminate it . cheers..also if everything else works ok then the underbonnet fuses are most likely ok .
Hi all,been a bit busy lately.Finally swapped the relays over and full beam now working,but fogs are not.After looking on eBay there are a lot for sale,from 1.49 to 20.00 :o.They are all used don't see any brand new,and i don't know if you can buy them brand new.It is a 12v 16a GM90229206 relay,don't suppose any of you guys have any known good ones knocking about.Willing to pay postage and some beer tokens.Thanks for all the help,Dean.



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Re: Hi Beam
« Reply #21 on: 25 September 2017, 17:52:03 »

Let me check, cant remember if I swipped the ones from the Bullet.
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Re: Hi Beam
« Reply #22 on: 25 September 2017, 18:04:01 »

Let me check, cant remember if I swipped the ones from the Bullet.
Thanks TB,much appreciated Dean.
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Re: Hi Beam
« Reply #23 on: 25 September 2017, 18:41:36 »

Hi. Glad you found the problem looks like it was the relay after sll. Loads of new ones on ebay.   
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« Reply #24 on: 25 September 2017, 22:29:54 »

Hi. Glad you found the problem looks like it was the relay after sll. Loads of new ones on ebay.   
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Hi thanks for your help,i can only see used ones on ebay.Dean.
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Re: Hi Beam
« Reply #25 on: 25 September 2017, 23:54:48 »

search.     micro relay 4 pin
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Re: Hi Beam
« Reply #26 on: 26 September 2017, 07:38:03 »

Let me check, cant remember if I swipped the ones from the Bullet.
Thanks TB,much appreciated Dean.

If not I'm sure I've got spares.  :y
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Re: Hi Beam
« Reply #27 on: 26 September 2017, 17:33:07 »

Let me check, cant remember if I swipped the ones from the Bullet.
Thanks TB,much appreciated Dean.

If not I'm sure I've got spares.  :y
Hi LD,could you have a look for me please.As i have tried to find new ones on the web,all secondhand so i would rather buy from a member on here instead of eBay and the likes.Regards Dean.
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Re: Hi Beam
« Reply #29 on: 27 September 2017, 21:22:07 »

New ones........
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Unipart-Relay-GTM8046-OE-GM90229206-Fit-Saab-Vauxhall-12v-16amp-Black-/291776231033


New ones? For just a fiver? You won't fit in here:


This is OOF, where pissing about trying to find used parts is standard operating procedure ;D
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Re: Hi Beam
« Reply #30 on: 28 September 2017, 17:02:30 »

New ones........
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Unipart-Relay-GTM8046-OE-GM90229206-Fit-Saab-Vauxhall-12v-16amp-Black-/291776231033
Hi Dave-b thanks for the link,but the web site says its not compatible for a 1995 omega.Dean :y
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