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[TheBoy]

Grrrr. I swear most of these specs are there just to make it impossible, so you end up buying the properly expensive stuff 

Found a couple that meet the spec, at a not too outrageous £30 for 5l.


I hope actually changing it is easier than trying to find it .  Guessing not, seeing as no dipstick, and all geared up for sucking out (but does have a sump plug, but its a pig to get to).  Chuck in 5l, wait 10m, then read the level, and repeat from there?

[Doctor Gollum]

Presumably the sump plug is roughly at the lowest point of the sump... And on the side, next to the subframe which is shaped to be just big enough to fit the sump pan in

[TheBoy]

Presumably the sump plug is roughly at the lowest point of the sump... And on the side, next to the subframe which is shaped to be just big enough to fit the sump pan in

Nope. Quite accessible. Once you get the 3,000 screws holding the undertray on out...

[Jimbob]

Is it really that special Dexos2 wont do?

[serek]

If is 3.0 diesel then about 7L
Pm reg and tell you exactly

Edit:
Spec oil it's bit tricky now days as I find same engine but in different make need different oil which is odd but there you go
If you do oil change every 6-8k Gmail 5w30 will be fine

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Grrrr. I swear most of these specs are there just to make it impossible, so you end up buying the properly expensive stuff 

Found a couple that meet the spec, at a not too outrageous £30 for 5l.


I hope actually changing it is easier than trying to find it . Guessing not, seeing as no dipstick, and all geared up for sucking out (but does have a sump plug, but its a pig to get to).  Chuck in 5l, wait 10m, then read the level, and repeat from there?

The digital readout is a pain in the arse. The slightest incline can get it to read just about anything.

With no dipstick I can't tell if the oil has been changed.

[Andy B]

Grrrr. I swear most of these specs are there just to make it impossible, so you end up buying the properly expensive stuff 

Found a couple that meet the spec, at a not too outrageous £30 for 5l.


I hope actually changing it is easier than trying to find it . Guessing not, seeing as no dipstick, and all geared up for sucking out (but does have a sump plug, but its a pig to get to).  Chuck in 5l, wait 10m, then read the level, and repeat from there?

The digital readout is a pain in the arse. The slightest incline can get it to read just about anything.

With no dipstick I can't tell if the oil has been changed.

Isn't there provision for a 'service' dip-stick? Those Mercs with an electronic dip-stick do, apparently it's like a flexible net curtain wire.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Grrrr. I swear most of these specs are there just to make it impossible, so you end up buying the properly expensive stuff 

Found a couple that meet the spec, at a not too outrageous £30 for 5l.


I hope actually changing it is easier than trying to find it . Guessing not, seeing as no dipstick, and all geared up for sucking out (but does have a sump plug, but its a pig to get to).  Chuck in 5l, wait 10m, then read the level, and repeat from there?

The digital readout is a pain in the arse. The slightest incline can get it to read just about anything.

With no dipstick I can't tell if the oil has been changed.

Isn't there provision for a 'service' dip-stick? Those Mercs with an electronic dip-stick do, apparently it's like a flexible net curtain wire.

Yes. My CLS 500 came with this 'option'

£70,000 for a car and then you pay extra for a dipstick. Tight German gits.

[Andy B]

Grrrr. I swear most of these specs are there just to make it impossible, so you end up buying the properly expensive stuff 

Found a couple that meet the spec, at a not too outrageous £30 for 5l.


I hope actually changing it is easier than trying to find it . Guessing not, seeing as no dipstick, and all geared up for sucking out (but does have a sump plug, but its a pig to get to).  Chuck in 5l, wait 10m, then read the level, and repeat from there?

The digital readout is a pain in the arse. The slightest incline can get it to read just about anything.

With no dipstick I can't tell if the oil has been changed.

Isn't there provision for a 'service' dip-stick? Those Mercs with an electronic dip-stick do, apparently it's like a flexible net curtain wire.

Yes. My CLS 500 came with this 'option'

£70,000 for a car and then you pay extra for a dipstick. Tight German gits.

Everything else is an option too ..... no 2 cars are the same.

[TheBoy]

Is it really that special Dexos2 wont do?

Doesn't meet the spec. In fact dexos2 might not be suitable for DPF cars?

[TheBoy]

If is 3.0 diesel then about 7L
Pm reg and tell you exactly

Edit:
Spec oil it's bit tricky now days as I find same engine but in different make need different oil which is odd but there you go
If you do oil change every 6-8k Gmail 5w30 will be fine

6.6l for change (8.something l for dry), according to the book.

For £30 for 5l, I can get euroshite's TQX or Coma Ecolife, both meeting C1, with Ecolife explicitly stating the required Ford spec (934-B).

Decisions decisions.

[Jimbob]

Is it really that special Dexos2 wont do?

Doesn't meet the spec. In fact dexos2 might not be suitable for DPF cars?

My Zafira is DPF, and runs Dexos2 as standard

[2boxerdogs]

Grrrr. I swear most of these specs are there just to make it impossible, so you end up buying the properly expensive stuff 

Found a couple that meet the spec, at a not too outrageous £30 for 5l.


I hope actually changing it is easier than trying to find it . Guessing not, seeing as no dipstick, and all geared up for sucking out (but does have a sump plug, but its a pig to get to).  Chuck in 5l, wait 10m, then read the level, and repeat from there?

The digital readout is a pain in the arse. The slightest incline can get it to read just about anything.

With no dipstick I can't tell if the oil has been changed.

.   





Why do they change something so basic but so vital ?
Never understood the no spare wheel nonsense either , wouldn't entertain a vehicle with no spare, and as for no dipstick even dafter.

[TheBoy]

Just checked, Dexos2 is C3, so doesn't meet the spec I need.

[Nick W]

Simple answer?
It isn't: look up the spec and buy some from whatever supplier has it in stock at an acceptable price. It's not like you need some for a ForkawahallrenMWgeot Aardvark ZKQ running on crushed dodo beaks.

[TheBoy]

Simple answer?
It isn't: look up the spec and buy some from whatever supplier has it in stock at an acceptable price. It's not like you need some for a ForkawahallrenMWgeot Aardvark ZKQ running on crushed dodo beaks.

Clearly, you haven't tried looking for the spec the manual says. Some poxy obscure crap Ford wank.


I suppose the standard answer is to take it to a dealer...   ...but not while I have a breath left.

[Nick W]

Simple answer?
It isn't: look up the spec and buy some from whatever supplier has it in stock at an acceptable price. It's not like you need some for a ForkawahallrenMWgeot Aardvark ZKQ running on crushed dodo beaks.

Clearly, you haven't tried looking for the spec the manual says. Some poxy obscure crap Ford wank.


I suppose the standard answer is to take it to a dealer...   ...but not while I have a breath left.

So what is it?

[TheBoy]

Looking up on many oil brand sites, some are honest (Mobil1 being one), "no, we don't do it". Castrol suggest something, but don't actually list the spec, and when you eventually find the datasheet, turns out to be an old, unsuitable spec. Mongs.

[TheBoy]

Simple answer?
It isn't: look up the spec and buy some from whatever supplier has it in stock at an acceptable price. It's not like you need some for a ForkawahallrenMWgeot Aardvark ZKQ running on crushed dodo beaks.

Clearly, you haven't tried looking for the spec the manual says. Some poxy obscure crap Ford wank.


I suppose the standard answer is to take it to a dealer...   ...but not while I have a breath left.

So what is it?

WSS M2C934-B

[Entwood]

Opie oils do it ....      

http://www.opieoils.co.uk/c-1300-ford-wss-m2c934-b-engine-oil.aspx

[TheBoy]

Opie oils do it ....      

http://www.opieoils.co.uk/c-1300-ford-wss-m2c934-b-engine-oil.aspx

Oh yes, I can find a few places that do it.  But I'm not prepared to pay their inflated prices.

So, still looking like Coma or the euroshiteparts own brand, both at £30 for 5l, or a Castrol (NOT the one Castrol recommend) for around £32 for 4l.

[TheBoy]

Found some for £20 for 5l. That's more like it

[omegod]

Just take the old stuff out and sieve the lumps out 

[serek]

Comma do Ecolife 5W-30 ACEA C1 

[Marks DTM Calib]

Hmmm.....this will be one of the next things I have to look at.

[TheBoy]

Comma do Ecolife 5W-30 ACEA C1 

Yup, had seen that before, £30 for 5l from Amazon was cheapest I could find...  ...or £47 from Halfrods if in a hurry

[Mr Gav]

Comma do Ecolife 5W-30 ACEA C1 

Yup, had seen that before, £30 for 5l from Amazon was cheapest I could find...  ...or £47 from Halfrods if in a hurry

I use Opie Oils for the Zed, I find their prices ok and your`re getting quality products, look for discount codes and take advantage of them.

Personally I don`t see the point in trying to find oil for £20/5l on a car that costs £1000`s

[TheBoy]

Personally I don`t see the point in trying to find oil for £20/5l on a car that costs £1000`s

I'm an habitual oil changer.  I'm already at 8k on this oil, hence the urgency to actually now get some, as in my mind, its already 3k overdue.

Making it £100 for a DIY change 3-4 times a year adds a considerable amount to running costs.

[Mr Gav]

Personally I don`t see the point in trying to find oil for £20/5l on a car that costs £1000`s

I'm an habitual oil changer.  I'm already at 8k on this oil, hence the urgency to actually now get some, as in my mind, its already 3k overdue.

Making it £100 for a DIY change 3-4 times a year adds a considerable amount to running costs.

True, unfortunately this is the cost of running more expensive cars.

If you can buy your oil for your planned annual oil changes using discount codes and get free delivery then it makes it a bit more palatable.

[Viral_Jim]

Personally I don`t see the point in trying to find oil for £20/5l on a car that costs £1000`s

I'm an habitual oil changer.  I'm already at 8k on this oil, hence the urgency to actually now get some, as in my mind, its already 3k overdue.

Making it £100 for a DIY change 3-4 times a year adds a considerable amount to running costs.

I admire the ambition, but I don't fancy lying under the car every 6 weeks  . So mine's staying in for the full 12,500 miles

[Mr Gav]

Personally I don`t see the point in trying to find oil for £20/5l on a car that costs £1000`s

I'm an habitual oil changer.  I'm already at 8k on this oil, hence the urgency to actually now get some, as in my mind, its already 3k overdue.

Making it £100 for a DIY change 3-4 times a year adds a considerable amount to running costs.

I admire the ambition, but I don't fancy lying under the car every 6 weeks  . So mine's staying in for the full 12,500 miles

Heathen 

[Kevin Wood]

Personally I don`t see the point in trying to find oil for £20/5l on a car that costs £1000`s

I'm an habitual oil changer.  I'm already at 8k on this oil, hence the urgency to actually now get some, as in my mind, its already 3k overdue.

Making it £100 for a DIY change 3-4 times a year adds a considerable amount to running costs.

I would imagine, though, that the wizzo oil specs are just to make the engine last the (no doubt optimistic) manufacturer's service schedule without lunching itself. If you're going to change the oil more regularly then you can probably afford to use less exotic oils anyway.

It's only an engine, after all.

[Nick W]

But that would make buying oil as easy as getting any low saps 5w30 from any where.
What kind of OOFer are you to suggest such a thing?

[STEMO]

My diesel astra is going the full twelve months between services, which probably will equate to ~15000 miles.
It’s a car....a modern car...it’s what people do. 

[Kevin Wood]

But that would make buying oil as easy as getting any low saps 5w30 from any where.
What kind of OOFer are you to suggest such a thing?

One who just fills his car boot with Halfrauds oil every time they have a special offer. 

215k miles and counting with no engine issues. That's the thing - the engine in a modern car will still be working long after the bodywork has rusted away if it's reasonably well looked-after. OK, if you have a warranty to keep up, then you might need to put your hand in your pocket for the pucker oil once a year, just to get a receipt for the file, but for extra oil changes over and above that - who cares?

[Andy B]

Personally I don`t see the point in trying to find oil for £20/5l on a car that costs £1000`s

I'm an habitual oil changer.  I'm already at 8k on this oil, hence the urgency to actually now get some, as in my mind, its already 3k overdue.

Making it £100 for a DIY change 3-4 times a year adds a considerable amount to running costs.

I admire the ambition, but I don't fancy lying under the car every 6 weeks  . So mine's staying in for the full 12,500 miles

I used to do as Jamie with my Omega but the Merc has tended to be serviced as per Jimmy's ie when the car tells me at about 15000 

[TheBoy]

Personally I don`t see the point in trying to find oil for £20/5l on a car that costs £1000`s

I'm an habitual oil changer.  I'm already at 8k on this oil, hence the urgency to actually now get some, as in my mind, its already 3k overdue.

Making it £100 for a DIY change 3-4 times a year adds a considerable amount to running costs.

True, unfortunately this is the cost of running more expensive cars.

If you can buy your oil for your planned annual oil changes using discount codes and get free delivery then it makes it a bit more palatable.

I'm sure you mean 6 monthly

[TheBoy]

Personally I don`t see the point in trying to find oil for £20/5l on a car that costs £1000`s

I'm an habitual oil changer.  I'm already at 8k on this oil, hence the urgency to actually now get some, as in my mind, its already 3k overdue.

Making it £100 for a DIY change 3-4 times a year adds a considerable amount to running costs.

I admire the ambition, but I don't fancy lying under the car every 6 weeks  . So mine's staying in for the full 12,500 miles

I work on the basis that whatever the claimed life is, it needs to be halved, possibly with exception of dot4 brake fluid, that's normally good for the claimed 2yrs.

So oil must be done 6 monthly (or 5k), coolant 2-3yrs for 5yr stuff etc.

[TheBoy]

But that would make buying oil as easy as getting any low saps 5w30 from any where.
What kind of OOFer are you to suggest such a thing?

That was the problem, trying to find low saps C1 oil, meeting stupid Fraud spec 934-b, at a sensible price.  Not helped when *EVERY* stupid web site like Euroshite actually specify an unsuitable oil for my car (probably because they make better profit on the lower spec Fraud 913 (which when you look up that Ford spec clearly state unsuitable for DPF cars)).

The shit ain't gonna be in there long enough to worry about marketing wank. But I ain't so stupid to put in what Euroshite and friends "recommend", because I'm not enough of a sucker to believe what they say.

So I've acquired some, that meets the spec, I reckon an oil change will come to just under £40, as the filters are a bit pricey at just over £5 delivered.

At current mileage, I expect it to get new oil approx. 3 - 4 times a year max, as its only insured for 20k pa.

[Mr Gav]

Personally I don`t see the point in trying to find oil for £20/5l on a car that costs £1000`s

I'm an habitual oil changer.  I'm already at 8k on this oil, hence the urgency to actually now get some, as in my mind, its already 3k overdue.

Making it £100 for a DIY change 3-4 times a year adds a considerable amount to running costs.

True, unfortunately this is the cost of running more expensive cars.

If you can buy your oil for your planned annual oil changes using discount codes and get free delivery then it makes it a bit more palatable.

I'm sure you mean 6 monthly

No, what I meant was buy enough oil for all the changes you will do in a year 

[Marks DTM Calib]

But that would make buying oil as easy as getting any low saps 5w30 from any where.
What kind of OOFer are you to suggest such a thing?

That was the problem, trying to find low saps C1 oil, meeting stupid Fraud spec 934-b, at a sensible price.  Not helped when *EVERY* stupid web site like Euroshite actually specify an unsuitable oil for my car (probably because they make better profit on the lower spec Fraud 913 (which when you look up that Ford spec clearly state unsuitable for DPF cars)).

The shit ain't gonna be in there long enough to worry about marketing wank. But I ain't so stupid to put in what Euroshite and friends "recommend", because I'm not enough of a sucker to believe what they say.

So I've acquired some, that meets the spec, I reckon an oil change will come to just under £40, as the filters are a bit pricey at just over £5 delivered.

At current mileage, I expect it to get new oil approx. 3 - 4 times a year max, as its only insured for 20k pa.

Further research suggests I don't have a Fraud engine....its a JLR one.....now try finding stuff for that!

[biggriffin]

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=low+saps+c1&oq=low&gs_l=mobile-heirloom-serp.1.0.41j0l2j0i131j0.4603.9388.0.10565.32.27.0.1.1.10.333.3239.11j14j0j2.27.0....0...1.1.34.mobile-heirloom-serp..17.15.1230.BNoo68FnmrQ

[tunnie]

Reminds me I need more GM 10/40, I thought I had loads left in drum. But it was empty, had enough for this change though.

Sheer delight of an oil change though, takes minutes. Modern cars which have massive under trays and access issues, no dip stick worry me for Jag XF/XJ if I DIY. 

[2boxerdogs]

Glad I've got the old Merc , always had Mobil 1 fully synthetic from new & I have continued with that,  oil changes bi annually as recommended  not bothered about the cost of the oil Halfords had it on offer so  bought 16 litres and watched MB of Boston use it when it was serviced there I've only done 7,000 miles in the two years I've had it not used a drop & still a nice golden colour.

[Marks DTM Calib]

Reminds me I need more GM 10/40, I thought I had loads left in drum. But it was empty, had enough for this change though.

Sheer delight of an oil change though, takes minutes. Modern cars which have massive under trays and access issues, no dip stick worry me for Jag XF/XJ if I DIY. 

Igenium engine has a dipstick 

[Viral_Jim]

Sheer delight of an oil change though, takes minutes. Modern cars which have massive under trays and access issues, no dip stick worry me for Jag XF/XJ if I DIY. 

On my list for the next swede service is to a) repair the undertray and b) cut a small section out of it to allow sump plug access. 

Given I'm under it about once a quarter, keep dropping the undertray is a right PITA

[TheBoy]

But that would make buying oil as easy as getting any low saps 5w30 from any where.
What kind of OOFer are you to suggest such a thing?

That was the problem, trying to find low saps C1 oil, meeting stupid Fraud spec 934-b, at a sensible price.  Not helped when *EVERY* stupid web site like Euroshite actually specify an unsuitable oil for my car (probably because they make better profit on the lower spec Fraud 913 (which when you look up that Ford spec clearly state unsuitable for DPF cars)).

The shit ain't gonna be in there long enough to worry about marketing wank. But I ain't so stupid to put in what Euroshite and friends "recommend", because I'm not enough of a sucker to believe what they say.

So I've acquired some, that meets the spec, I reckon an oil change will come to just under £40, as the filters are a bit pricey at just over £5 delivered.

At current mileage, I expect it to get new oil approx. 3 - 4 times a year max, as its only insured for 20k pa.

Further research suggests I don't have a Fraud engine....its a JLR one.....now try finding stuff for that!

I did in my search.  Budget for Vaseline as well, when you give your credit card details.....

[TheBoy]

Modern cars which have massive under trays and access issues, no dip stick worry me for Jag XF/XJ if I DIY. 

Designed really to be sucked out.  I might try that this weekend on the XJ.  No dipstick isn't a problem really.

[TheBoy]

Reminds me I need more GM 10/40, I thought I had loads left in drum. But it was empty, had enough for this change though.

Sheer delight of an oil change though, takes minutes. Modern cars which have massive under trays and access issues, no dip stick worry me for Jag XF/XJ if I DIY. 

Igenium engine has a dipstick 

As does my XJ. It lives in the cushioned leather, behind the steering wheel

[Viral_Jim]

Modern cars which have massive under trays and access issues, no dip stick worry me for Jag XF/XJ if I DIY. 

Designed really to be sucked out.  I might try that this weekend on the XJ.  No dipstick isn't a problem really.

How is this achieved btw? I always assumed it was sucked out through the dipstick hole, but clearly not!

[STEMO]

It pours out through a sump plug, like any other car. 

[tunnie]

Reminds me I need more GM 10/40, I thought I had loads left in drum. But it was empty, had enough for this change though.

Sheer delight of an oil change though, takes minutes. Modern cars which have massive under trays and access issues, no dip stick worry me for Jag XF/XJ if I DIY. 

Igenium engine has a dipstick 

Good to know 

Might blag a test drive in new XE or XF, see how smooth it goes.

[tunnie]

Modern cars which have massive under trays and access issues, no dip stick worry me for Jag XF/XJ if I DIY. 

Designed really to be sucked out.  I might try that this weekend on the XJ.  No dipstick isn't a problem really.

How is this achieved btw? I always assumed it was sucked out through the dipstick hole, but clearly not!

Did this on the VW, but it’s messy dealing with kit afterwards. Actual extraction is clean and easy. Also I think I should have got the oil hotter, but pump said only run engine for a few mins.

Not convinced I got it all either, I went via the dip stick. Guess you go via main filler on Jag V6?

[TheBoy]

Modern cars which have massive under trays and access issues, no dip stick worry me for Jag XF/XJ if I DIY. 

Designed really to be sucked out.  I might try that this weekend on the XJ.  No dipstick isn't a problem really.

How is this achieved btw? I always assumed it was sucked out through the dipstick hole, but clearly not!

It has a dedicated tube, you just connect hose to a connector at top of engine. Allegedly.

[Viral_Jim]

Ah that makes sense. But I'd say that for DIY the cost of the sucker and ar$e ache of cleaning it out makes it not worth bothering

[TheBoy]

Ah that makes sense. But I'd say that for DIY the cost of the sucker and ar$e ache of cleaning it out makes it not worth bothering

I already have a pump, that I've had for a while for another project that I never got round to 

[Auto Addict]

http://www.tradeclubparts.co.uk/trade-club-oil-advisor?utm_source=VTC+National+IMT+List+10.01.17&utm_campaign=9f249eecfb-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_09_20&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_fb6354a12d-9f249eecfb-118502029

[STEMO]

http://www.tradeclubparts.co.uk/trade-club-oil-advisor?utm_source=VTC+National+IMT+List+10.01.17&utm_campaign=9f249eecfb-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_09_20&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_fb6354a12d-9f249eecfb-118502029

From that, the oil for mine is dexos 2. Yet on the oil filler cap it says dexos 3.

[Auto Addict]

http://www.tradeclubparts.co.uk/trade-club-oil-advisor?utm_source=VTC+National+IMT+List+10.01.17&utm_campaign=9f249eecfb-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_09_20&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_fb6354a12d-9f249eecfb-118502029

From that, the oil for mine is dexos 2. Yet on the oil filler cap it says dexos 3.

What can I say.....

[TheBoy]

http://www.tradeclubparts.co.uk/trade-club-oil-advisor?utm_source=VTC+National+IMT+List+10.01.17&utm_campaign=9f249eecfb-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_09_20&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_fb6354a12d-9f249eecfb-118502029

I asked twice at my dealer - around 3 months ago, they couldn't check as TC were changing oil supplier, and last week, he gave me the part number, but it was no longer available.

I'm hoping its just a glitch whilst they change supplier, so next year....