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Re: Might be interesting
« Reply #15 on: 06 March 2018, 20:30:58 »

There you go you see,that's something else I've learned today......not that it'll do me a blind bit of good,but learning all the same :y

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I would add for your information Baza that LMSR engines did not have smoke deflectors fitted originally, and only the 4-6-2 Pacific Turbomotive class engine had them fitted in 1939.  Thereafter the previously streamlined 4-6-2 Pacific Duchess class locomotives had them fitted after being rebuilt, but that was in the early days of British Railways from 1948.  From that time the British Railways large 'Standard' engines, such as the 4-6-2's and 2-10-0 9F's had large deflectors as an integral part of the original design.

The GWR never adopted the smoke deflectors, but the SR did, with experiments by their CME, R.E. Maunsell on some classes of engines from 1927.  Later SR 4-6-2 Merchant Navy and West Country / Battle of Britain class engines designed by Oliver Bulleid were streamlined, as engineering practice favoured during the late 1930's, and built from 1941 onwards with various versions of built in deflectors.  Like the LMS streamliners, British Rail rebuilt these SR streamliners from 1956 onwards with large smoke deflectors. Other SR 4-6-0 classes of passenger and freight engines were also blessed with deflectors by British Railways.

Apart from the previously described LNER A3's that eventually had deflectors fitted, Gresley's A4's were streamlined so did not need them, and as they were kept in streamlined form by BR, never had them fitted. Only Gresley's six 2-8-2 P2 class locomotives were built with integral deflectors from new in 1934. Gresley's also fitted deflectors to his two 2-8-2 P2 Mikados engines. His experimental 4-6-4 high pressure engine, No1000, built in 1929 also had a streamlined form with integral deflectors.

I hope that is all of interest ;)
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Re: Might be interesting
« Reply #16 on: 06 March 2018, 22:58:04 »

Just finished watching part 2 must say I don't think I'd have found such a programme as interesting if it'd been about a diesel locomotive.However there were two things not explained[unless I missed that bit]firstly at what point did she acquire the "blinkers" on either side of the nose?secondly what was the purpose of them?

Smoke deflectors. Intended to "deflect the smoke" upwards so the drive could see the track ahead better.

I have to say that I loved steam engines as a lad, but most modern programmes about them are all a bit romanticised and boring.


However      ::) . . . . dare I suggest that they also looked "cooler" and made locomotives look a bit more serious, macho, and impressive rather than something from Thomas The Tank Engine ?

 
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« Reply #17 on: 07 March 2018, 10:10:28 »

Just finished watching part 2 must say I don't think I'd have found such a programme as interesting if it'd been about a diesel locomotive.However there were two things not explained[unless I missed that bit]firstly at what point did she acquire the "blinkers" on either side of the nose?secondly what was the purpose of them?

Smoke deflectors. Intended to "deflect the smoke" upwards so the drive could see the track ahead better.

I have to say that I loved steam engines as a lad, but most modern programmes about them are all a bit romanticised and boring.


However      ::) . . . . dare I suggest that they also looked "cooler" and made locomotives look a bit more serious, macho, and impressive rather than something from Thomas The Tank Engine ?

Strangely the question of appearance is the reason why they were not fitted as early as many continental railway engines were. The British believed most of their passenger engines looked aesthetically beautiful and pleasing to the eye unlike their continental counterparts which had a cluttered appearances with air brake pumps, pipes everywhere, bulges of all kinds and those smoke deflectors!!  Therefore deflectors were not fitted for some time after it became very apparent it would be a good idea.  Eventually the practicalities and questions of Health & Safety ruled, and certainly by BR days, as I previously explained, most large classes of engines were so blessed.

By the time of my childhood smoke deflectors were part of the lovely appearance of British express passenger classes of locomotives.  But, when you looked at the ex-LMSR 4-6-2 Princess and ex-GWR passenger classes of locomotives  that never were fitted with deflectors, even in BR days, you recognised, as I still do, how pleasing to the eye those engines are, and earlier generations were right in their views about "cluttered" looking loco's. ;)
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Re: Might be interesting
« Reply #18 on: 07 March 2018, 19:10:27 »

Thanks for the detailed replies Lizzie they are indeed of interest,although as I've said in the grand scheme of things none of it will do me any good but I like learning new stuff all the time from wherever I can :y
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« Reply #19 on: 07 March 2018, 20:10:15 »

Thanks for the detailed replies Lizzie they are indeed of interest,although as I've said in the grand scheme of things none of it will do me any good but I like learning new stuff all the time from wherever I can :y

Thanks Baza :y :y

Yes, that is why I study many sectors of history, railway history being one :-* ;)
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