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[Pmacca2000]

I was surfing the inter web looking at Senators and Carlton and the prices they are starting to command and got to thinking how many Omegas were left out there.
After a short while I came up with the figures below as a rough guide from 2016.

13160 taxes
3123   sorn

3631    Scrapped every year on average.
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Estimated total Omegas taxed in 2018

5898

[biggriffin]

How many Mv6 3.2 estates in rare silver left.

[Doctor Gollum]

How many Mv6 3.2 estates in rare silver left.

All but three of them... 1 blue, 1 red and 1 black

[biggriffin]

How many Mv6 3.2 estates in rare silver left.

All but three of them... 1 blue, 1 red and 1 black

So that makes 4 then.  Does that make it worth a fortune then, "I could be a millionaire"

[Doctor Gollum]

Couldn't we all... 

[biggriffin]

Couldn't we all... 

Maybe I could sell it to Kate for  £3k. Well it is rare.

[Nick W]

How many Mv6 3.2 estates in rare silver left.

All but three of them... 1 blue, 1 red and 1 black

So that makes 4 then.  Does that make it worth a fortune then, "I could be a millionaire"

Rare does not make them valuable. There needs to be something that makes them desirable, and Omegas have never had that.

[biggriffin]

How many Mv6 3.2 estates in rare silver left.

All but three of them... 1 blue, 1 red and 1 black

So that makes 4 then.  Does that make it worth a fortune then, "I could be a millionaire"

Rare does not make them valuable. There needs to be something that makes them desirable, and Omegas have never had that.

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There's always somebody to ruin my dreams and hopes.

[Doctor Gollum]

At least yours has an MOT, that helps

[biggriffin]

At least yours has an MOT, that helps

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Booger, Kate won't buy anything that's got mot, and 4 wheels,,, 

[aaronjb]

Rare does not make them valuable. There needs to be something that makes them desirable, and Omegas have never had that.

I saw a 1987 Sierra Cosworth RS500 for sale for £69,500 recently.. if rarity was the only thing that made cars expensive, the Omega would surely be worth £20k by now

[biggriffin]

Better start looking after mine, as it's only 1 of 4 left,, were going to be millionaire's Rodney.

[Diamond Black Geezer]

Desirability throws apparent production figures/ perceived rarity askew of course.

OP mentions Carltons and Sennys. Go to the VBOA and see a field of maybe 50% Lotus Carltons, 25% GSis, and the remaining Sennys - all 24v CDs of course. Not an accurate representation of what was on the road in the day! 

It was a rare treat to catch a GSi 3000 (always red for some reason!), the majority of Carltons I remember were workhorse GLs in grey with a wheeltrim missing. The odd CD, hardly ever a CDX, and plenty of L/GL estates. From memory the first LC I ever saw on the public highway was in about 2004 - and the owner hinted it was a lookalike anyway. Desirability of those Ls/GLs versus the sportier stuff means far, farrr less are being saved against the 'cool stuff'

It's already unusual to see an Omega that isnt an MV6 or Elite at VBOA. Even though they accounted for maybe 10% of production? (just a guess)

[dave the builder]

I completely agree 
My Carlton is a manual 2.0 CDi  ,been using it as a daily driver for 12 years
had a 2.0 preface lift GLi for 6 years before that as a daily driver,
only the gsi and lotus spec cars are worth big money
(i bet most only ever come out to play on hot days and shows)
I've spent many an afternoon under mine ,grease,underseal,rustproof to keep it solid
I doubt there are many non lotus/gsi models used daily ,
there's probably a few diplomats stashed away for a dry day 
as i don't have a leather fetish (seats) and most where auto boxes (prefer manual) and air con would be goosed 
the top of the range 4 banger "diplomat"never appealed
I've just got a late 2.6 omega auto which will be my daily soon(bad leg  )
 so i guess my rare CDi carlton will will be another not long of this world
(the high bidder will probably be a banger racer ) when i sell

shocking how many omegas are getting scrapped and broken though
there 10 years newer , aint you lot heard of rust proofing 

[omegod]

The last few I've broken have been hideously rusty underneath, I always thought they were quite resilient , back arches excepted, the front where the cross member joins the chassis rails was coming away in chunks on the last one.

There a one owner preface 3.0 Manual MV6 saloon stashed away near me that I'd love to get my hands on but he won't sell.....yet !

[M Kerr]

Sadly one day these will all be classics and beautiful to drive.  I just posted on here about having to get rid of mine... There's a slight nudge on the NSF wing but noting to difficult to sort. beyond that its close to mint.  I don't know of any rust anywhere on it!  MOTs for 18 years have been a piece of cake...

[brassedoff]

my two have an MOT one silver one petrol blue never seen another that colour I think its Cavalier/Vectra colour bought new that colour

[ChrisPee]

On the subject of Carltons, I have owned my Diplomat since 1999 when it 89k, it now has 275k and has only been off the road since last summer due to a still un-diagnosed electrical issue. I used it every week at least two or three times up until then. It's a manual 2.0 in Spectral Blue with grey leather. I splashed out 2 grand on a repaint in 2012 as there were a few car park dents and a bit of rust on one front arch and the rear panel. Hoping to have it sorted in June. I was running my 1968 Vauxhall Victor since last summer but had to find something cheap for a runabout. I found a 2.0 8v Select estate on Ebay (one owner) and I love it, drives perfectly. It had a broken drivers mirror and the hubcaps were chewed to bits. I've replaced the door mirror and treated it to a set of very nice CD alloys from the face-lift model and spent a few hours cleaning the filthy interior. What else could you buy that reliable for £550 with MOT and no rust. 

On the subject of cars becoming rare (British cars), I've been doing my own research on this since the Cortina went out of production in 82/3 - it's 15 years that is the point at which you see a car and think "I haven't seen one of them for a while". The Omega is nearly there.
I remember buying a mk4 V reg Cortina from my neighbour in 1995 for £60 with MOT, by that time it was viewed as and regarded as an old banger - possibly the last of the chrome bumper cars - and therefore the Sierra Dated every previous Ford instantly. The Omega to me is a 'modern car' that is far better than most 80's cars, and far better than most 21st century, un-repairable un'reliable, ugly creations.

Chris.

[dave the builder]

On the subject of Carltons, I have owned my Diplomat since 1999 when it 89k, it now has 275k and has only been off the road since last summer due to a still un-diagnosed electrical issue. I used it every week at least two or three times up until then. It's a manual 2.0 in Spectral Blue with grey leather. I splashed out 2 grand on a repaint in 2012 as there were a few car park dents and a bit of rust on one front arch and the rear panel. Hoping to have it sorted in June.

Chris.

just re-reading the TOTALCARLTON thread about this 
what are you planning ?

[ChrisPee]

If you mean the story of tracing the fault, I have three friends coming to mine (the day before the open day at the Vauxhall Heritage open day on June 10th) to try again. I've had 3 crankshaft sensors, cap rotor plugs leads air mass sensor idle control valve and coil replaced, it still refuses to run properly (It starts and idles though) I've taken the entire engine loom from my donor Carlton all the way from the ECU forward. If it's not that I'll be crying again. By the way, I realize I can't go on the for sale section on here yet, but if anyone needs anything for a Carlton 2.0 auto I'm happy to sell parts from it cheaply - I'd rather it help others than be scrapped. At the moment it is still very complete. The inner sills and n/s boot floor are very rotten so it would be a very involved rebuild, I've had Victors with less rust! 

[dave the builder]

If you mean the story of tracing the fault, I have three friends coming to mine (the day before the open day at the Vauxhall Heritage open day on June 10th) to try again. I've had 3 crankshaft sensors, cap rotor plugs leads air mass sensor idle control valve and coil replaced, it still refuses to run properly (It starts and idles though) I've taken the entire engine loom from my donor Carlton all the way from the ECU forward. If it's not that I'll be crying again. By the way, I realize I can't go on the for sale section on here yet, but if anyone needs anything for a Carlton 2.0 auto I'm happy to sell parts from it cheaply - I'd rather it help others than be scrapped. At the moment it is still very complete. The inner sills and n/s boot floor are very rotten so it would be a very involved rebuild, I've had Victors with less rust! 

I've dragged the thread back up on totalcarlton, air flow meter (by the air filter or cts perhaps

[Diamond Black Geezer]

Dragging up a dead thread - ChrisPee, if you are doing the VBOA this year, come and find me, be nice to have a chat 

Sadly can't offer anything constructive on the Carlton front, but it's always nice to chat to people who've run cars into v high miles and looked after them 

[Pmacca2000]

My CD had light rust on the front chassis rails, crossmember and spots on the left sill a couple of years ago, thankfully I was able to get the rust off and have the underneath reseated before the damage was too extreme.
She’s a keeper

[cam.in.head]

My mates carlton 2litre gli started fine and idled but had no power .turned out it was low fuel pressure and/or flow due to blocked fuel filter ?

[Doctor Gollum]

Failed FPR would do it or weak pump