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[Hiace2222]

Anyone point me in the right direction to get a lsd for a omega ??

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

They don't come up for sale very often, but I seem to remember that Zirk had one for sale a while ago.
Might be worth sending him a personal message.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Just had a look back through the For sale section and couldn't find anything, so maybe I imagined it ? 

[zirk]

ive had a few for sale in the past, last one was last year, 3.9 LSD only 60K from a Met Red 3.2 Auto, could have sold that 10 ten times over but only had one 

Got 2 left now both 3.7 LSD and there fitted in the Cars and staying there, in fact 3.7 LSD and their R30 Manual Boxes are probably worth more than the Cars tbh 

They are Rocking Horse Poo now, if your series about getting LSD for an Omega probably easier to get one made up these days.   

[deviator]

The Dark Web? 

[Doctor Gollum]

Or a Lidl car park...

[Mr Gav]

It might be cheaper to find one from a Carlton GSi 24v or Senator and transplant the internals, IIRC the internals are the same but the casing is different due to the mounting.

[biggriffin]

Or a Lidl car park...

Or the land of the little green people.

[zirk]

Or a Lidl car park...

Or the land of the little green people.

Hes already there.  they've broken them all. 

[Hiace2222]

Thank people yes proving very difficult and people asking a lot of money for them I sold a 3.2 with lsd and f30 box for £1000 was a while back but sure that’s the ways it’s goes 

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Still a few police cars in Belfast that will have one. Nick one if your brave enough. 

[BazaJT]

Never having owned a car with one fitted I have to ask-just curious-are these things really worth the hassle of seeking out/cost of purchase/time and effort to swap for an ordinary diff?

[ronnyd]

Never having owned a car with one fitted I have to ask-just curious-are these things really worth the hassle of seeking out/cost of purchase/time and effort to swap for an ordinary diff?

Is it something to do with drifting?

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Yep, much more controllable when your sideways and steering it on the throttle. 
It basically stops all the power being transferred to the spinning wheel, as a normal diff would do.

[Kevin Wood]

Yep, much more controllable when your sideways and steering it on the throttle. 
It basically stops all the power being transferred to the spinning wheel, as a normal diff would do.

Might as well just weld it up in that case. No point in destroying rare and expensive LSDs if your only objective is to d**k about.

[Doctor Gollum]

Like this?

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/general-chit-chat/763645-welded-dif-what-hell.html#/topics/763645?page=1

[Nick W]

Yep, much more controllable when your sideways and steering it on the throttle. 
It basically stops all the power being transferred to the spinning wheel, as a normal diff would do.

Might as well just weld it up in that case. No point in destroying rare and expensive LSDs if your only objective is to d**k about.

especially as road car LSDs rarely lock up more than 20%, and break if you use them hard.


They're a waste of time in a low power car too.

[Kevin Wood]

Yep, much more controllable when your sideways and steering it on the throttle. 
It basically stops all the power being transferred to the spinning wheel, as a normal diff would do.

Might as well just weld it up in that case. No point in destroying rare and expensive LSDs if your only objective is to d**k about.

especially as road car LSDs rarely lock up more than 20%, and break if you use them hard.


They're a waste of time in a low power car too.

Precisely. You've only got to look at them to know they are not going to take any abuse.

[zirk]

Its not just about Drifting though is it, having near equal Torque on both back wheels can be usefull, hence why the Police have them fitted, its got me out of trouble a few times in the Ice and Snow in the Forest in the past, ok its not 4x4 but having both rear wheels engaged rather than one just spinning hopelessly certain is a better option. 

[Kevin Wood]

Yes, there are occasions when they will help out with traction, and that's what they are designed to do. Then again, the traction control system will do a similar job, and that's probably why the LSD, which was standard on the Senator, got dropped on the Omega.

TC with an open diff has the advantage that it makes it less likely for inexperienced drivers to spin the car when they find the limits of adhesion, because an open diff provides a "safety net" of disabling torque to the outer wheel when the inner one loses traction. Then TC disables the engine, then re-enables it, then disables it....etc

Adverse weather aside, I think the only scenario when an LSD is nice to have, is nipping out of T junctions quickly or exiting roundabouts where the inside wheel letting go can stunt your progress if "pressing-on".

[Nick W]

Adverse weather aside, I think the only scenario when an LSD is nice to have, is nipping out of T junctions quickly or exiting roundabouts where the inside wheel letting go can stunt your progress if "pressing-on".

Yes, they're 'useful' for keeping the car sideways until you reach for second gear

[Kevin Wood]

Adverse weather aside, I think the only scenario when an LSD is nice to have, is nipping out of T junctions quickly or exiting roundabouts where the inside wheel letting go can stunt your progress if "pressing-on".

Yes, they're 'useful' for keeping the car sideways until you reach for second gear

Not necessarily, just stopping them from bogging down when the inside rear lifts.

...as if I'd be in the driving seat of a vehicle while progressing in a yawing fashion on the public roads.

[STEMO]

From a drug dealer.



Someone had to say it.   

[TheBoy]

Never having owned a car with one fitted I have to ask-just curious-are these things really worth the hassle of seeking out/cost of purchase/time and effort to swap for an ordinary diff?

Yes, definitely worthwhile, else it just spins up the lightly loaded rear tyre when pulling out of corners.

[BazaJT]

If they were standard on Senators as KW says then I take back what I said about not having a car fitted with one as I've had 3 "A"s and 2 "B"s just can't have noticed they had one.

[TheBoy]

If they were standard on Senators as KW says then I take back what I said about not having a car fitted with one as I've had 3 "A"s and 2 "B"s just can't have noticed they had one.

Simply not trying hard enough, Mr Baza...

[BazaJT]

Obviously not TB,further training required methinks

[dave the builder]

the carlton/senny LSD required a special diff oil / additive
if un-serviced or left un-used for long periods the diff looses its LSD capability IIRC 

[zirk]

the carlton/senny LSD required a special diff oil / additive
if un-serviced or left un-used for long periods the diff looses its LSD capability IIRC

Same as the LSD on the Omega, some of the Ex Plod Omegas that the went into Private hands got screwed up this way, even if they went into a Vx Dealer for Servicing. 

[dave the builder]

the carlton/senny LSD required a special diff oil / additive
if un-serviced or left un-used for long periods the diff looses its LSD capability IIRC

Same as the LSD on the Omega, some of the Ex Plod Omegas that the went into Private hands got screwed up this way, even if they went into a Vx Dealer for Servicing. 

worthy of a mention .just in case someone decides to retro-fit an lsd that's been sitting in storage since 1990 

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

They weren't standard on Senators. 

[Mr Gav]

the carlton/senny LSD required a special diff oil / additive
if un-serviced or left un-used for long periods the diff looses its LSD capability IIRC

Same as the LSD on the Omega, some of the Ex Plod Omegas that the went into Private hands got screwed up this way, even if they went into a Vx Dealer for Servicing. 

worthy of a mention .just in case someone decides to retro-fit an lsd that's been sitting in storage since 1990 

Unless it was correctly stored, either full of diff oil or drained. I think the problem was when the clutch plates were only partially covered by the diff oil.

They weren't standard on Senators. 

No but many had them unlike the Omega

[Kevin Wood]

I had a feeling at least the 24v Senators had them. Pretty sure the one we had did, but that was a long time ago...

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Neither of my 24v Senators had one. 

[BazaJT]

Mine were only the 12 valve cars-but still went well enough-if lsd weren't standard this could be one reason I never noticed them having one

[dave the builder]

NON LSD =l
LSD         = l l
the black marks you leave on the tarmac after heinz acceleration

heinz acceleration = "giving it beans " 

carltons and sennys (1986- 1994) saw the launch of ACT (advance chassis technology)
 marketed with "puts the skids under it's rivals"

video clicky

[Mr Gav]

NON LSD =l
LSD         = l l
the black marks you leave on the tarmac after heinz acceleration

heinz acceleration = "giving it beans " 

carltons and sennys (1986- 1994) saw the launch of ACT (advance chassis technology)
 marketed with "puts the skids under it's rivals"

video clicky

This is the passive rear wheel steer with the use of a void type inner bush on the rear wishbones and was carried on to the Omega.