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[Doctor Gollum]

Here...

https://www.gov.uk/topic/mot/manuals

Cup of tea and have a peruse... Not that it will repair the car, but it might make you feel better...

Presumably not your usual tester

[Nick W]

How do I find the MOT tester rule that states this?

I'd like to see your whinge complaint:


TP - The tester exposed the excessive corrosion in a structural area using the wrong tool.


VOSA - Did he? You saw him? We'll have a word. But that doesn't change the fact that your car is too rusty to have an MOT.

[dave the builder]

If you don't fancy reading all the MOT manual then > Appendix A Structural integrity and corrosion >3 Corrosion assessment

link clicky

however, it is more complex than just quoting one section of the manual

plus, it sounds like the failed car did have quite a bit of rust in prescribed areas etc, and having family members drive around in cars that are swiss cheese and may become dangerous in the 12 month period before next MOT is not a good idea
(particularly as your checking the car BEFORE presenting it for MOT Terry, so, effectively if the NT misses something, and you say it's ok or miss something, then it fails , that family member will remove you from the Christmas card list  )

as an example, the Zafira I just checked over, it came with MOT till mid March 2019, the last 2 MOTs are pass,no advisory notices on the printed certificates.
Knowing that family members would be transported at speeds up to 70NPH ,I checked it all over ,decided the brakes looked poor, not maintained, so I stripped, cleaned, fitted new discs and pads, found a brake line badly corroded and it leaked ,so replaced that in it's entirety.
I'd checked the MOT history and it failed 2017 on Nearside Rear Brake pipe excessively corroded (3.6.B.2c)
Offside Rear Brake pipe excessively corroded (3.6.B.2c) ,the same day the MOT pass with no advisory notice was issued, so I'd assume the brake pipes had been replaced, yet they where all original.

I spend a lot of time checking the family fleet, to try and ensure all is safe and reliable, it would be much cheaper and less hassle for me to just say "take it to a garage" have them do anything that is needed.
Sadly, SOME garages charge for things they don't actually do, miss things, do jobs badly, some jobs are not part of MOT testing.

so I've developed a lack of trust 

[dave the builder]

Another helpful video with a few pointers for the future Terry 
Repairs and corrosion clicky

[Kevin Wood]

At the end of the day, if you can poke anything through material in the prescribed areas, it needs fixing.

Would be good to find out where, as it may be an easy fix.

[dave the builder]

At the end of the day, if you can poke anything through material in the prescribed areas, it needs fixing.

Would be good to find out where, as it may be an easy fix.

Pretty sure i could puncture a brand new cill on a car with a 3 foot long heavy breaker bar 
and in my early days of car ownership ,I have seen an MOT tester use a heavy ball pein hammer and excessive force .
BUT , agree that prescribed areas should be strong enough to withstand reasonable probing .

pictures would be good agreed, but it sounds bad from Terry's description

sadly, omegas with long mot are cheap enough to just scrap a failed car and buy another, rather than strip,grind,weld the poorly bits 

It was the same with Carltons  and Sennys

[terry paget]

Pics follow

[tunnie]

Pics follow

Front most concerning as that looks difficult/expensive to fix.

Need to double check mine around there as it's looking crusty, although at Serek's it still appeared solid-ish.

Are the black marks your previous attempt at under seal painted on?

[terry paget]

Pics follow

Front most concerning as that looks difficult/expensive to fix.

Need to double check mine around there as it's looking crusty, although at Serek's it still appeared solid-ish.

Are the black marks your previous attempt at under seal painted on?

Yes. I saw rust, rubbed it down, and undersealed it.

[dave the builder]

I expect the front chassis leg inside (near the steering box will be worse)
a classic  area on a Carlton
the rear chassis legs where it goes up to the boot ,again a classic example of Vauxhall rust at it's finest 
painting underseal on the outside does little good, it needed wax-oil inside BEFORE tin worm had a feast

did the garage give a quote on fixing ?

[Doctor Gollum]

Exactly what I suspected/ suggested in my first post

That's the rear mounting, expect the front one to be as bad... Likewise the offside ones.

[VXL V6]

Hmmm, 'they all go there'!

That strengthening plate is what the engine cradle / subframe fixes to so is particularly important, in all honesty I wouldn't bother with trying to repair that because any repair there is a compromise and that structural weakness in a big frontal accident cannot be a good thing.

They are all showing an issue there, it's how early on you can start dealing with it which will prolong the life of the vehicle.

[terry paget]

I expect the front chassis leg inside (near the steering box will be worse)
a classic  area on a Carlton
the rear chassis legs where it goes up to the boot ,again a classic example of Vauxhall rust at it's finest 
painting underseal on the outside does little good, it needed wax-oil inside BEFORE tin worm had a feast

did the garage give a quote on fixing ?

No, Last year he found rust in the cills of my 3.2 and said he could repair it I enquired at what cost, he said he would let me know. Eventally he charged me told £250 plus VAT. I then bought a welder. I am sure he would have done this car, but it's a 2.2 and rusty. I made it clear that I would scrap it.

[tunnie]

Hmmm, 'they all go there'!

That strengthening plate is what the engine cradle / subframe fixes to so is particularly important, in all honesty I wouldn't bother with trying to repair that because any repair there is a compromise and that structural weakness in a big frontal accident cannot be a good thing.

They are all showing an issue there, it's how early on you can start dealing with it which will prolong the life of the vehicle.

 

[Nick W]

Hmmm, 'they all go there'!

That strengthening plate is what the engine cradle / subframe fixes to so is particularly important, in all honesty I wouldn't bother with trying to repair that because any repair there is a compromise and that structural weakness in a big frontal accident cannot be a good thing.

They are all showing an issue there, it's how early on you can start dealing with it which will prolong the life of the vehicle.

That would involve soaking the interior of the box section with a properly effective rust preventative. About 15 years ago.


That's a multi layer section(which is why it's rusty), that would require removal of the subframe and steering box to even think about repairing it properly. This is the butterfly moment, when an Omega turns from a car into bean tins.