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[Auto Addict]

On my Dell laptop, when I click on Network, I can't see any other computers connected to the Network.

On Mrs AA's Toshiba laptop, all computers connected to the Network are visible.

Checked all the setting on the Dell, and can't for the life of me see what I'm doing wrong.

[deviator]

Are they both on the same workgroup?

Are your firewall permissions set so that the local network is classed as 'Public' and therefore DANGER, DANGER!

[Auto Addict]

Yes and No.

[deviator]

Is 'network discovery' on? Try turning the firewall off on your PC and see if that still works.

[Auto Addict]

Is 'network discovery' on? Try turning the firewall off on your PC and see if that still works.

Network discovery is on, tried the firewall.

Both laptops have exactly the same settings.

[deviator]

IIRC and it's been a few years, there was a way you could take the network settings from one computer and run it on the other to make the access correct. I've never used it, as I've always got them to play nicely.

[deviator]

Is the Computer Browser service running?
Smacks self for not thinking of that sooner.

[Auto Addict]

Is the Computer Browser service running?
Smacks self for not thinking of that sooner.

Afraid so.

[deviator]

What OS's are the PC's running?

If your trouble child is a Win 10 PC, make sure there is a password set, NOT a pin.

Can you access the other PC's manual? IE Start Run (Or hold Windows key and tap R) \\PCNAME

From the MS Help forum...

If you want to check it out, open SERVICES on EACH PC or server on your workgroup or domain, scroll to "Function Discovery Resource Publication", and start it. Then check to see if all your pc's show up in explorer. There is also a "Function discovery Provider Host" that may play into it.

[Auto Addict]

What OS's are the PC's running?

If your trouble child is a Win 10 PC, make sure there is a password set, NOT a pin.

Can you access the other PC's manual? IE Start Run (Or hold Windows key and tap R) \\PCNAME

From the MS Help forum...

If you want to check it out, open SERVICES on EACH PC or server on your workgroup or domain, scroll to "Function Discovery Resource Publication", and start it. Then check to see if all your pc's show up in explorer. There is also a "Function discovery Provider Host" that may play into it.

Cheers for that, it works

[deviator]

Nice one. Apparently this is something MS disabled during an update 

[Auto Addict]

Nice one. Apparently this is something MS disabled during an update 

Could be, I've recently done a clean install of Win 10 on both laptops.

Thanks again for your help.

[deviator]

My pleasure, I've taken so much information from this forum, it's nice to return the favour every once in a while.

[Auto Addict]

The Dell laptop has 'lost'  the Toshiba laptop.

Nothing has altered on the settings of either machine

[Auto Addict]

The Dell laptop has 'lost'  the Toshiba laptop.

Nothing has altered on the settings of either machine

It's magically appeared back this morning

[deviator]

The Dell laptop has 'lost'  the Toshiba laptop.

Nothing has altered on the settings of either machine

It's magically appeared back this morning

Have you tried turning it off and back on again? 

[Auto Addict]

The Dell laptop has 'lost'  the Toshiba laptop.

Nothing has altered on the settings of either machine

It's magically appeared back this morning

Have you tried turning it off and back on again? 

I did several restarts yesterday on both machines, the Toshiba would not show up on the Dell.

This morning it does, weird.

[Kevin Wood]

The Dell laptop has 'lost'  the Toshiba laptop.

Nothing has altered on the settings of either machine

It's magically appeared back this morning

Have you tried turning it off and back on again? 

I did several restarts yesterday on both machines, the Toshiba would not show up on the Dell.

This morning it does, weird.

That's windows networking for you.

[Auto Addict]

The Dell laptop has 'lost'  the Toshiba laptop.

Nothing has altered on the settings of either machine

It's magically appeared back this morning

Have you tried turning it off and back on again? 

I did several restarts yesterday on both machines, the Toshiba would not show up on the Dell.

This morning it does, weird.

That's windows networking for you.

 

[aaronjb]

That's windows networkingcomputers for you.

Fixed that for you, Kevin

I mean, I've worked in IT for over 20 years, I know they are devices that operate on logic; but they sure as heck give all impressions to the contrary

[edit] I am reminded of this, for some reason: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQGtucrJ8hM

[Kevin Wood]

That's windows networkingcomputers for you.

Fixed that for you, Kevin

I mean, I've worked in IT for over 20 years, I know they are devices that operate on logic; but they sure as heck give all impressions to the contrary

[edit] I am reminded of this, for some reason: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQGtucrJ8hM

 

I've never understood how you can have Windows machines connected together at 1GBPS yet they seem to take 10 minutes to find each other - if at all.

How can you make it this bad?

.. and then, your VPN connection drops, and the machine had (miraculously) picked up a device at the other end of it, so windows explorer blocks until that device responds, but it's never going to. Did nobody tell them that things on a network are only sometimes there?

[aaronjb]

Did nobody tell them that things on a network are only sometimes there?

I think they based a lot of design assumptions either on NFS, or the same assumptions that were used when NFS was designed.. networks are 100% reliable and are only ever local with very low latency.

Which was probably true, in 1985

[Kevin Wood]

Which was probably true, in 19865

FTFY. I was connected to a wireless IP network in 1988.. at a mighty 1.2 kbps.

[deviator]

FTFY. I was connected to a wireless IP network in 1988.. at a mighty 1.2 kbps.

I was doing packet radio in 1988! If I was lucky, I'd get 9600 baud. More frequently it was closer to 1200 baud.

[Kevin Wood]

FTFY. I was connected to a wireless IP network in 1988.. at a mighty 1.2 kbps.

I was doing packet radio in 1988! If I was lucky, I'd get 9600 baud. More frequently it was closer to 1200 baud.

I never got 9600 BAUD working. Nobody else local to talk to at that speed. 

Actually, I came across a G3RUH modem card in the loft a couple of days ago...

[aaronjb]

I wasn't cool enough for packet radio (although a friend and I were interested, it was somewhat cost prohibitive to 12 year olds ) - 1200/75 was my first modem, though, robbed from school and hooked up to Duncan's BBC Master (teacher parents I only had a Spectrum).

It was all downhill from there! 2400, 9600, 14k4, etc. Dialling long distance overseas numbers of unsavoury BBSes, running up giant phone bills...

[deviator]

FTFY. I was connected to a wireless IP network in 1988.. at a mighty 1.2 kbps.

I was doing packet radio in 1988! If I was lucky, I'd get 9600 baud. More frequently it was closer to 1200 baud.

I never got 9600 BAUD working. Nobody else local to talk to at that speed. 

Actually, I came across a G3RUH modem card in the loft a couple of days ago...

I started with a Baycom board and then eventually progressed to a Kantronics TNC. I think I still have both - somewhere! I've certainly kept my HF set and UHF/VHF set. I stopped using 2m because it was too effective. I got bored of being interupted whilst talking to mates to get signal reports. My record was, I was running 0.5w and spoke to a chap in Cornwall, he was using a Yagi pointed at me, I upped the power and we had a quick chat. My location is ideal for DX'ing, if I was into the competitive side of it.

[Kevin Wood]

Yes, in a nice 2m location here too, to the south-west, at least. I half - heartedly put a beam up a few years back, not particularly high. 3rd station I worked was in Northern Spain. I too should do more, really.

[TheBoy]

If you're reliant on what was the old Computer Browser method of discovering machines, you need to change. It was shit in Lan Manager, remained shit in Windows for Workgroups, and the passage of time hasn't helped. Bloody browser elections and all that shit.

And other devices in the chain that didn't really exist in the early 90s will try to curtail the broadcast packets, including Windows' own firewall (but also the router and the Wifi).

Home networking is so 1990s, and barely relevant as we approach 2020.  Files are cloud hosted, printers are properly network aware, gaming is all online.  If you are one of the niche reasons for home networking, do it properly with DNS, or hosts if you like a bodge.

[TheBoy]

Not having a licence, I used to have to get a couple of mates to get me on Packet. Might have been sluggish, but saved my horrific phone bills a bit