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[STEMO]

Very true in principal, but when did the establishment let principal get in the way of them making sure their boat doesn't get seriously rocked. In fact, that's pretty much how they got themselves into this problem in the first place.
The electoral commission have been told over and over again that this was happening for quite a few years now, but they completely ignored it until things got so bad and so obvious at the last election that it couldn't be ignored any longer.

All it would take is someone with balls, and a few bob, to take this further...much further.
Opti might do it. I'll ask him.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Someone with balls and money did. His name is Aaron Banks. That's probably a significant part of why the ball got rolling with the police and CPS after years of inaction from the Electoral commission.

[Lizzie Zoom]

I believe this just about sums up the problem for Labour.

This morning Corbyn was on the Andrew Marr show and he stated that the renewal of Trident was still under review. 

Later a "Labour spokesman" (speaking for Labour MP's) said the decision on renewing Trident had been made and stated " it still backs the UK's Trident nuclear weapons" adding  "it remained official policy to keep the deterrent."

Talk about a party still in disarray!

Great for us Conservatives, but as a Blue Socialist I wish there was an opposition of substance, not a joke!

[Lincs Robert]

I believe this just about sums up the problem for Labour.

This morning Corbyn was on the Andrew Marr show and he stated that the renewal of Trident was still under review. 

Later a "Labour spokesman" (speaking for Labour MP's) said the decision on renewing Trident had been made and stated " it still backs the UK's Trident nuclear weapons" adding  "it remained official policy to keep the deterrent."

Talk about a party still in disarray!

Great for us Conservatives, but as a Blue Socialist I wish there was an opposition of substance, not a joke!

So more important to vote then - if you (anyone really) thinks it will be a landslide then the temptation is to stay at home - which is the wrong answer.

What's really would me up in the last few days is the socialist verbiage from Dawn Butler, her pay Diane Abbot has been very quiet though - thank god. I suspect Jezza is saving her for later in the campaign......

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I believe this just about sums up the problem for Labour.

This morning Corbyn was on the Andrew Marr show and he stated that the renewal of Trident was still under review. 

Later a "Labour spokesman" (speaking for Labour MP's) said the decision on renewing Trident had been made and stated " it still backs the UK's Trident nuclear weapons" adding  "it remained official policy to keep the deterrent."

Talk about a party still in disarray!

Great for us Conservatives, but as a Blue Socialist I wish there was an opposition of substance, not a joke!

Surely this is a contradiction in terms , Lizzie.

[Lizzie Zoom]

I believe this just about sums up the problem for Labour.

This morning Corbyn was on the Andrew Marr show and he stated that the renewal of Trident was still under review. 

Later a "Labour spokesman" (speaking for Labour MP's) said the decision on renewing Trident had been made and stated " it still backs the UK's Trident nuclear weapons" adding  "it remained official policy to keep the deterrent."

Talk about a party still in disarray!

Great for us Conservatives, but as a Blue Socialist I wish there was an opposition of substance, not a joke!

Surely this is a contradiction in terms , Lizzie.

Not for me Opti.  I am a Conservative, but one who believes in many Socialist views, thus I call myself a Blue Socialist as I am on the centre right wing.  Corbyn is a Red Socialist, with almost hard left, communist views, and I could never support Labour on that basis.  Blair was more a Blue Socialist, on the centre left wing, and at times I could almost believe he was a Conservative.  Thus I could have supported him, and indeed often agreed with his policies.

Hope that clarifies it for you Opti

[Lizzie Zoom]

I believe this just about sums up the problem for Labour.

This morning Corbyn was on the Andrew Marr show and he stated that the renewal of Trident was still under review. 

Later a "Labour spokesman" (speaking for Labour MP's) said the decision on renewing Trident had been made and stated " it still backs the UK's Trident nuclear weapons" adding  "it remained official policy to keep the deterrent."

Talk about a party still in disarray!

Great for us Conservatives, but as a Blue Socialist I wish there was an opposition of substance, not a joke!

So more important to vote then - if you (anyone really) thinks it will be a landslide then the temptation is to stay at home - which is the wrong answer.

What's really would me up in the last few days is the socialist verbiage from Dawn Butler, her pay Diane Abbot has been very quiet though - thank god. I suspect Jezza is saving her for later in the campaign......

Oh yes, I will be voting as I have since I could first legally vote. There is no way I could see such a joker as Corbyn be the PM!

[Mister Rog]

I believe this just about sums up the problem for Labour.

This morning Corbyn was on the Andrew Marr show and he stated that the renewal of Trident was still under review. 

Later a "Labour spokesman" (speaking for Labour MP's) said the decision on renewing Trident had been made and stated " it still backs the UK's Trident nuclear weapons" adding  "it remained official policy to keep the deterrent."

Talk about a party still in disarray!

Great for us Conservatives, but as a Blue Socialist I wish there was an opposition of substance, not a joke!

Surely this is a contradiction in terms , Lizzie.

Not for me Opti.  I am a Conservative, but one who believes in many Socialist views, thus I call myself a Blue Socialist as I am on the centre right wing.  Corbyn is a Red Socialist, with almost hard left, communist views, and I could never support Labour on that basis.  Blair was more a Blue Socialist, on the centre left wing, and at times I could almost believe he was a Conservative.  Thus I could have supported him, and indeed often agreed with his policies.

Hope that clarifies it for you Opti

I agree with a lot of that Lizzie. Some of the labour "Manifesto" (if there was one!) I would very much support, and then the nutters crawl out of the woodwork with comments and ambitions that are just bonkers and unsupportable. Rather than take the risk that the lunatics could take over the asylum at a later stage, I will not vote Labour.

I hasten to add that I am not a "tribal" voter, you know always voting Labour or Tory regardless. Stubbornly holding on to the view that one is bad and the other good. In my time I've voted for almost every major party, depending upon policies and leadership at the time. I also hold the view that it is generally a case of voting for the "least bad".

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I believe this just about sums up the problem for Labour.

This morning Corbyn was on the Andrew Marr show and he stated that the renewal of Trident was still under review. 

Later a "Labour spokesman" (speaking for Labour MP's) said the decision on renewing Trident had been made and stated " it still backs the UK's Trident nuclear weapons" adding  "it remained official policy to keep the deterrent."

Talk about a party still in disarray!

Great for us Conservatives, but as a Blue Socialist I wish there was an opposition of substance, not a joke!

Surely this is a contradiction in terms , Lizzie.

Not for me Opti.  I am a Conservative, but one who believes in many Socialist views, thus I call myself a Blue Socialist as I am on the centre right wing.  Corbyn is a Red Socialist, with almost hard left, communist views, and I could never support Labour on that basis.  Blair was more a Blue Socialist, on the centre left wing, and at times I could almost believe he was a Conservative.  Thus I could have supported him, and indeed often agreed with his policies.

Hope that clarifies it for you Opti

Blair founded Blue Labour. He was a Tory at heart. I doubt he held any socialist principles.

Dennis Skinner is my favourite. .......but like Corbyn I wouldn't want him as PM.

This is my problem, Theresa May is a Tory and a girlie, neither of which endear her to me as PM.

It will probably come down to who is the least worst rather than who is the best choice.

[TheBoy]

I believe this just about sums up the problem for Labour.

This morning Corbyn was on the Andrew Marr show and he stated that the renewal of Trident was still under review. 

Later a "Labour spokesman" (speaking for Labour MP's) said the decision on renewing Trident had been made and stated " it still backs the UK's Trident nuclear weapons" adding  "it remained official policy to keep the deterrent."

Talk about a party still in disarray!

Great for us Conservatives, but as a Blue Socialist I wish there was an opposition of substance, not a joke!

Surely this is a contradiction in terms , Lizzie.

I wonder if LZ is telling us she is contemplating a blue rinse

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I believe this just about sums up the problem for Labour.

This morning Corbyn was on the Andrew Marr show and he stated that the renewal of Trident was still under review. 

Later a "Labour spokesman" (speaking for Labour MP's) said the decision on renewing Trident had been made and stated " it still backs the UK's Trident nuclear weapons" adding  "it remained official policy to keep the deterrent."

Talk about a party still in disarray!

Great for us Conservatives, but as a Blue Socialist I wish there was an opposition of substance, not a joke!

Surely this is a contradiction in terms , Lizzie.

Not for me Opti.  I am a Conservative, but one who believes in many Socialist views, thus I call myself a Blue Socialist as I am on the centre right wing.  Corbyn is a Red Socialist, with almost hard left, communist views, and I could never support Labour on that basis.  Blair was more a Blue Socialist, on the centre left wing, and at times I could almost believe he was a Conservative.  Thus I could have supported him, and indeed often agreed with his policies.

Hope that clarifies it for you Opti

I agree with a lot of that Lizzie. Some of the labour "Manifesto" (if there was one!) I would very much support, and then the nutters crawl out of the woodwork with comments and ambitions that are just bonkers and unsupportable. Rather than take the risk that the lunatics could take over the asylum at a later stage, I will not vote Labour.

I hasten to add that I am not a "tribal" voter, you know always voting Labour or Tory regardless. Stubbornly holding on to the view that one is bad and the other good. In my time I've voted for almost every major party, depending upon policies and leadership at the time. I also hold the view that it is generally a case of voting for the "least bad".

Dogmatism that has been passed down through the generations.

Question..................Why do you vote Tory/Labour?

Answer....................Don't know but we always have.

[Lizzie Zoom]

I believe this just about sums up the problem for Labour.

This morning Corbyn was on the Andrew Marr show and he stated that the renewal of Trident was still under review. 

Later a "Labour spokesman" (speaking for Labour MP's) said the decision on renewing Trident had been made and stated " it still backs the UK's Trident nuclear weapons" adding  "it remained official policy to keep the deterrent."

Talk about a party still in disarray!

Great for us Conservatives, but as a Blue Socialist I wish there was an opposition of substance, not a joke!

Surely this is a contradiction in terms , Lizzie.

I wonder if LZ is telling us she is contemplating a blue rinse

Never TB! 

I am too young for that

[Lizzie Zoom]

I believe this just about sums up the problem for Labour.

This morning Corbyn was on the Andrew Marr show and he stated that the renewal of Trident was still under review. 

Later a "Labour spokesman" (speaking for Labour MP's) said the decision on renewing Trident had been made and stated " it still backs the UK's Trident nuclear weapons" adding  "it remained official policy to keep the deterrent."

Talk about a party still in disarray!

Great for us Conservatives, but as a Blue Socialist I wish there was an opposition of substance, not a joke!

Surely this is a contradiction in terms , Lizzie.

Not for me Opti.  I am a Conservative, but one who believes in many Socialist views, thus I call myself a Blue Socialist as I am on the centre right wing.  Corbyn is a Red Socialist, with almost hard left, communist views, and I could never support Labour on that basis.  Blair was more a Blue Socialist, on the centre left wing, and at times I could almost believe he was a Conservative.  Thus I could have supported him, and indeed often agreed with his policies.

Hope that clarifies it for you Opti

I agree with a lot of that Lizzie. Some of the labour "Manifesto" (if there was one!) I would very much support, and then the nutters crawl out of the woodwork with comments and ambitions that are just bonkers and unsupportable. Rather than take the risk that the lunatics could take over the asylum at a later stage, I will not vote Labour.

I hasten to add that I am not a "tribal" voter, you know always voting Labour or Tory regardless. Stubbornly holding on to the view that one is bad and the other good. In my time I've voted for almost every major party, depending upon policies and leadership at the time. I also hold the view that it is generally a case of voting for the "least bad".

Dogmatism that has been passed down through the generations.

Question..................Why do you vote Tory/Labour?

Answer....................Don't know but we always have.

That is an interesting point.  My mum was a socialist and until Labour started to become "disoriented" in the 1970's, she would always vote for them. Then the infamous Gang of Four broke away and formed the SDP (remember them?) and she swapped her loyalty to them.

Dad was a weird mix of a right wing Socialist, but then often with communist views (he wanted to get rid of the Royal family) and had a time of buying the Morning Star, but he was serving in the Royal Navy and a mate advised him not to do that as people in dark suits were showing an interest in him! . Then he admired the German armed forces of WW2 , that he served through, and he would regularly raise his right arm shouting "Heil Hitler", often though to wind up my mum!

I though started to vote Labour, until I woke up to what that party in Government in the 1970's were doing to the Country.  Then, for me it has been Conservative all the way, with some  temptation to vote for Tony Blair.

I certainly believe in keeping ones voting options open and not becoming dogmatic about voting for just one party.

[Rods2]

It is interesting that Liebour are now calling for your vote where urgent legislation and action is required to improve air quality.

Never taking things at face value I found the statistics from 1987 until 2015 from Defra, who measure and collate UK air quality from measuring stations all over the country. Particulates (PM-10) have fallen from the early to mid 1990's to 2015 by about 30% and ozone reached a peak in about 1999 and have been pretty much on a plateau ever since.

If you have a discussion with any Liebour candidates two good questions to ask them are:
1. Defra air quality statistics show are quality is improving, so why has this suddenly become a problem?
2. The most recent peak in air pollution was in 1999, 2 years after Liebour won an election with a big majority, why did they not introduce legislation then, if they consider air pollution a major problem?

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/517681/Air_Quality_National_Statistic_2015_final.pdf

This is basically an opportunist policy based on fake news. The real background reason is that the UK is not reaching EU targets on air quality. Much of this EU legislation is as a result of the large German green lobby. They don't care how disruptive or expensive their policies are or how much it increases costs and unemployment or how much poorer we will all be. One thing they are keen to tell us is how many people lives are shortened due to air pollution. Again, fake news, where they fail to mention that the main cause can be seen through lung cancer statistics. Unfortunately, again looking at the UK lung cancer statistics, this mainly occurs in older people, with 80-90% of cases being through personal air pollution by smoking!

[Doctor Gollum]

I believe this just about sums up the problem for Labour.

This morning Corbyn was on the Andrew Marr show and he stated that the renewal of Trident was still under review. 

Later a "Labour spokesman" (speaking for Labour MP's) said the decision on renewing Trident had been made and stated " it still backs the UK's Trident nuclear weapons" adding  "it remained official policy to keep the deterrent."

Talk about a party still in disarray!

Great for us Conservatives, but as a Blue Socialist I wish there was an opposition of substance, not a joke!

Surely this is a contradiction in terms , Lizzie.

I wonder if LZ is telling us she is contemplating a blue rinse

Now that I could vote for

Blue socialist indeed.

Ton E Bliar is a treasonous Lady bits. Neither a socialist nor blue. That he achieved a second term, let alone a third is beyond comprehension