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[ronnyd]

SWMBO is bloody furious with Mrs May . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 







They've cancelled Bargain Hunt on TV  . . . . . . . . and got election stuff instead 

Every cloud has a silver lining.

[Sir Tigger KC]

I have never voted Tory but Corbyn is too much of a 'leftie' even for me.

I voted to 'remain' but that is already done and dusted (I think) so I won't vote on that basis.

Suggesting that you will do so?

About time you updated your avatar then! 

Yes Edwina Currie is a good match for our Lord Opti, or maybe Ann Widdecombe.  She can dance you know!     

[Lizzie Zoom]

'Tessie May' will walk it just as Churchill did in 1945........except he didn't.

The unassuming socialist Clement Attlee won a landslide majority and dear old booze-soaked 'Winnie' ended up with a properly kicked arse. Shit happens.

I still think Theresa will win but who would have thought that a gobby, ginger-pubed old man could become POTUS?

.......and then we have Marine Le Pen. Her chances of getting the top job in France were laughable only a short time ago.

Interesting.

That was a totally different situation Opti.  Churchill was a great war leader, but he was not a good peacetime prime minister.  He was a "Toff" and recognised as such in a Country screaming out for social change in a new post war world. The British working and middle classes did not want to return from the war and find nothing had changed on the social scales, as after WW1.  The soldiers still serving abroad, and those at home, voted overwhelming for that change.  A new Socialist approach to Education with the Butler Act of 1944, by a Conservative, but working within a coalition including powerful Labour forces for change that help construct it.  Then there was the Labour push for universal health care, based on the Beverage Report of 1942 that would push for social reform, including the introduction of the National Insurance Act of 1946 that would later lead on to the creation of the National Health Service of 1948.  Nationalisation of the railways was always being pushed for, along with nationalisation of other industries, such as coal mining, combining with other socialist aims.  To those fed up with a rigid class structure that did not favour the working class, and Churchill represented that sector, Clement Attlee and Labour had to have the advantage, and they took it, changing British history dramatically. 

The Conservatives returning to power under Churchill in 1951 is another story that can be debated endlessly.

[Doctor Gollum]

Labour are pretty well opposed... Even if they shot Corbyn now and ate him for tea, it would take them six months for the unions to decide who will be dessert

And no-one of any mind, let alone a sound one, would vote Labour in this decade or the next...

As for Brexit, that's set in stone so voting for a management change will guarantee a return to the Dark Ages.

[LC0112G]

I think this is a big gamble for Mrs May. Who wins depends upon what she is forced to promise in the manifesto.

Labour Right wing and remainer voters will likely switch to LibDem.
Remainer Conservatives will likely switch to LibDem.
UKIP voters in the south will likely vote Conservative.
UKIP voters in the north? Dunno. They'll probably go back to how they used to vote.
SNP - not much change.

So what matters is how many votes the Con's think they're going to lose to LD but gain from UKIP, and what effect that has on the seats they win/lose. They'll need to avoid alienating their core voters, which presents problems with abolishing things like the triple lock on pensions, or promising not to increase taxes.

[LC0112G]

As for the educationalists and NHS devotees, I suspect the steam will be taken out of their argument, by substantial increases in funding being part of the Tory manifesto at the expense of foreign aid.
If they don't take that route they will be missing the most obvious vote winning trick they have at the moment.

Foreign aid is 0.7% of GDP, amounting to around 12bn last year.
Education is 6%, Defence 8%, Benefits 8%, NHS 23% and pensions 26%.

Scrapping the foreign aid budget will make naff all difference to any of the big 5 spending departments, and the only people that will believe it will be those that believed the £350Bn number on the side of a bus.

[STEMO]

Million.

[Marks DTM Calib]

But the average Jo on the street has no idea of the numbers, by simply committing to not giving aid to countries with Nuclear arms and instead diverting to OAP care you move, what is in reality a small amount but, the person on the street sees it as a great thing and ticks the box.

Hard reality is that there is no opposition and Ms May needs a greater majority in parliament to stand any hope of getting us out of Europe this Millennium.

[LC0112G]

Million.

Oops, Million, Billion - the people that believed the figure wouldn't know the difference anyway. The problem is that any politician that uses that argument to mislead the gullible should be branded a liar immediately.

[amazonian]

Goodbye  Corbyn..

                        

[Steve B]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INzj-n_dD2Y&feature=share

Thought he sounded about right

[TheBoy]

Oh dear, another 6 weeks of unbearable claptrap 

[Mister Rog]

Goodbye  Corbyn..

                        

He must be poooing his pants at the prospect of having to try and look like a prospective credible PM 

[TheBoy]

Goodbye  Corbyn..

                        

He must be poooing his pants at the prospect of having to try and look like a prospective credible PM 

The British public is incredibly thick, and now everyone is fed up with Brexit, the useless idiot will bang on about feeding more cash into the NHS (and not saying where that's coming from, as we've run out of rich people, and rich companies are shipping out)

[Rods2]

What the UK Leave and US POTUS election campaigns show is that using big data for carefully targeted messages through social media is cheap and much more effective than traditional methods of reaching voters. The Conservatives have been much worse than Liebour with their election campaigning since the early 1990's, so IMO the parties that embrace targeted social media campaigning the best will punch above their weight.

Which parties will get the Putin hacking, trolling and conspiracy disinformation fake news websites boost? As Liebour under Corbyn and UBrick are admirers they must be the leading candidates.

I'm sure MI5/MI6 and GCHQ will be much more on the ball with arsebook and shitter being forced to filter out and take down fake news much more effectively than they did in 2016.