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[Andy B]

Anyone live around Sutton Bank Yorkshire? I ask cos we're going that direction at the wek end while towing. The owner of the caravan site specifically said that caravans are banned, but having had a 'drive' via Google maps, I can only see a sign that tells HGVs to use a low gear. Surely if HGVs are allowed, then I am too. I'm sure that 376 torques can manage a little hill with a box on the back.

It's only 1 in 4 for the hairpin https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.2370934,-1.2101813,3a,31.5y,170.1h,77.7t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sK-qtsJ_fChtg1Mf_8TLOMg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 .... what could possibly go wrong!

[Varche]

The problem you will find is that most drivers have little understanding of driving hills. They arrive , don't keep their distance and then see the signs and slow down, then find they need to select a lower gear and panic. next you know a whole load of folk are bunched up and you are doing stop start.

[Andy B]

..... and you are doing stop start.

left foot on left pedal .... press right pedal with right foot as you lift left pedal with left foot 

[hercules]

it is signed somewhere that caravans aren't allowed 

[Andy B]

it is signed somewhere that caravans aren't allowed 

but HGVs are ...... 

Thanks 

[henryd]

it is signed somewhere that caravans aren't allowed 

but HGVs are ...... 

Thanks 

Sutton Bank, also known as Roulston Scar, is a hill in the Hambleton District of the North York Moors National Park, North Yorkshire in England. It is a high point on the Hambleton Hills with extensive views over the Vale of York and the Vale of Mowbray.

At the foot of Sutton Bank lies the village of Sutton-under-Whitestonecliffe; at 27 letters long, it has the longest placename in England.

The A170 road runs down the bank with a maximum gradient of 1 in 4 (25%), and including a hairpin bend. Vehicles have to keep in low gear whist travelling up or down the bank,[1] and caravans are banned from using the section.

[Broomies Mate]

Maybe more to do with the articulation of the vehicle than the weight?  Especially considering the hairpins.

EDIT:  Just had a gander at your link.  If anything, that small stretch of 1:4 is very wide and would allow ample room!  It's nowhere near as bad as Porlock Hill on the A39, and I don't believe that has any such restriction.   

[Kevin Wood]

The A170 road runs down the bank with a maximum gradient of 1 in 4 (25%), and including a hairpin bend. Vehicles have to keep in low gear whist travelling up or down the bank,[1] and caravans are banned from using the section.

Sounds like a challenge to me. 1 in 4 in 5th gear is no problem in the Westfield , as long as the speed doesn't drop below 70 or so.

[biggriffin]

There is a signed route for people towing wobble boxes,. If you think you are better than the law go for it, its challenging enough in an artic, and as for trying it in a modern 6x2, going down not to bad, going up, gets interesting, scrabbling for grip etc,clutch burning etc.

[Marks DTM Calib]

Maybe more to do with the articulation of the vehicle than the weight?  Especially considering the hairpins.

EDIT:  Just had a gander at your link.  If anything, that small stretch of 1:4 is very wide and would allow ample room!  It's nowhere near as bad as Porlock Hill on the A39, and I don't believe that has any such restriction.   

I wonder if its more to do with accidents with caravans.

When you consider the state of all to many caravan brake setups which are not well maintained and serviced, the easy option may well be to ban them 

[aaronjb]

When you consider the state of all to many caravan brake setups which are not well maintained and serviced, the easy option may well be to ban them 

God, we should be so lucky..





..oh, you only meant on Sutton Bank

[Andy B]

Maybe more to do with the articulation of the vehicle than the weight?  Especially considering the hairpins.

EDIT:  Just had a gander at your link.  If anything, that small stretch of 1:4 is very wide and would allow ample room!  It's nowhere near as bad as Porlock Hill on the A39, and I don't believe that has any such restriction.   

I wonder if its more to do with accidents with caravans.

When you consider the state of all to many caravan brake setups which are not well maintained and serviced, the easy option may well be to ban them 

Maybe. I'll have to have a look at the options of going round .....

[Andy B]

There is a signed route for people towing wobble boxes,. If you think you are better than the law go for it, its challenging enough in an artic, and as for trying it in a modern 6x2, going down not to bad, going up, gets interesting, scrabbling for grip etc,clutch burning etc.

It seems that there are challenging hills on motorways in general for some HGVs ...... I've had to wait behind a few of them while they decide that they'd be better back in lane 1and let those following passed.

What's a clutch? ......

[Sir Tigger KC]

If it's signed up No Caravans then it's probably because plenty of caravanists have run out of talent (As a former member used to say!) half way up the hill! 

Come and 'av a go if you think your hard enough!! 

[JasonH]

I suspect some underpowered cars and front wheel drive cars might get properly stuck so the authorities have taken a blanket ban approach.

[Andy B]

I suspect some underpowered cars and front wheel drive cars might get properly stuck so the authorities have taken a blanket ban approach.

So it seems ..... but it's OK to have 100 HGVs a year get stuck 

[Andy B]

The A170 road runs down the bank with a maximum gradient of 1 in 4 (25%), and including a hairpin bend. Vehicles have to keep in low gear whist travelling up or down the bank,[1] and caravans are banned from using the section.

Sounds like a challenge to me. 1 in 4 in 5th gear is no problem in the Westfield , as long as the speed doesn't drop below 70 or so.

Just looking elsewhere on the web, & a glide-ist tows his glider up the hill. So it's OK for trailer in general to use the hill, but not a caravan - which is also a trailer 

[05omegav6]

The A170 road runs down the bank with a maximum gradient of 1 in 4 (25%), and including a hairpin bend. Vehicles have to keep in low gear whist travelling up or down the bank,[1] and caravans are banned from using the section.

Sounds like a challenge to me. 1 in 4 in 5th gear is no problem in the Westfield , as long as the speed doesn't drop below 70 or so.

Just looking elsewhere on the web, & a glide-ist tows his glider up the hill. So it's OK for trailer in general to use the hill, but not a caravan - which is also a trailer 

Well you can always use this as your defence when you wind up in front of a beak wearing a freshly made omlette on your bonce...

[Gaffers]

Maybe it's a sidewind/side-profile issue?

[Andy B]

The A170 road runs down the bank with a maximum gradient of 1 in 4 (25%), and including a hairpin bend. Vehicles have to keep in low gear whist travelling up or down the bank,[1] and caravans are banned from using the section.

Sounds like a challenge to me. 1 in 4 in 5th gear is no problem in the Westfield , as long as the speed doesn't drop below 70 or so.

Just looking elsewhere on the web, & a glide-ist tows his glider up the hill. So it's OK for trailer in general to use the hill, but not a caravan - which is also a trailer 

Well you can always use this as your defence when you wind up in front of a beak wearing a freshly made omlette on your bonce...

I'm merely pointing out the inconsistency of either an all encompassing 'no trailers' up/down the hill or as highlighted above, 'no caravans'

[Andy B]

Maybe it's a sidewind/side-profile issue?

Mmmm!  Perhaps

[Kevin Wood]

Just looking elsewhere on the web, & a glide-ist tows his glider up the hill. So it's OK for trailer in general to use the hill, but not a caravan - which is also a trailer 

Well, they do launch gliders from the top... and they often have to land at the bottom.

As mentioned, a glider trailer doesn't have anything like the wind loading of a caravan, but they are typically much longer. They have a good reason to be there, though, and don't tend to be "once a year" towing types.

[Andy B]

.... They have a good reason to be there, though,

No more good reason than I have.

and don't tend to be "once a year" towing types.

You normally post sense on this forum ....... but not today

[Mr Gav]

IMO they should ban HGV`s too, it`s painful being stuck behind them going up there, as it would be with caravans too if they were allowed LOL

[Gaffers]

WHat if I went up on my bicycle..........




....with a trailer?

[Andy B]

.... as it would be with caravans too if they were allowed LOL

You'd struggle to keep up with me going up there ........... 

[tigers_gonads]

Been up there plenty of times over the years in various vehicles with no real problem but I wouldn't try it with the van tbh.
Your Merc wouldn't have any problems pulling the van up there but if you had a mechanical problem then your totally breaked because you have no space to get off the road.

Google it for a video and you will see what I mean 

As Jason said, they probably brought in a blanket ban due to dickheads trying to pull stuff up there in vehicles not suitable for the job 

Where are you going Andy and from which direction ?

[Andy B]

WHat if I went up on my bicycle..........




....with a trailer?

As a cyclist I'm sure you'd be in the middle of the bloody road coming down .........   

[Andy B]

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Where are you going Andy and from which direction ?

It's a CL/small site ..... can't think exactly (I'm at work) but we'll be going west to east ie up the hill

[Sir Tigger KC]

Let us know if you give it a go Andy and if you come a cropper we want to see plenty of evidence! 

[tigers_gonads]

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Where are you going Andy and from which direction ?

It's a CL/small site ..... can't think exactly (I'm at work) but we'll be going west to east ie up the hill

Got the east west bit (unless your going the very very long scenic route) 
I've dragged the van all over those parts for years.
Stick it on here where your site is and what alternative route your t@at nav gives you and i'll tell you what the route is like in the real world 

[Gaffers]

WHat if I went up on my bicycle..........




....with a trailer?

As a cyclist I'm sure you'd be in the middle of the bloody using the entire road width coming down with a mahoosive smile on yer face.........   

fixed for ya

[Andy B]

WHat if I went up on my bicycle..........




....with a trailer?

As a cyclist I'm sure you'd be in the middle of the bloody using the entire road width coming down with a mahoosive smile on yer face.........   

fixed for ya

 

[Andy B]

Let us know if you give it a go Andy and if you come a cropper we want to see plenty of evidence! 

Thanks for the vote of confidence   

[GastronomicKleptomaniac]

They are definitely banned, and due to location its very likely you'd get a tug, theres a lot of coppers about waiting for bikers... Just follow the diversion, its not too bad.

[Andy B]

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Stick it on here where your site is and what alternative route your t@at nav gives you and i'll tell you what the route is like in the real world 

It's at Helmsley I've not looked at the sat-nav yet to see which way she'd send us.

[Andy B]

They are definitely banned, and due to location its very likely you'd get a tug, theres a lot of coppers about waiting for bikers... Just follow the diversion, its not too bad.

I do realise that. Just can't understand how they can ban a select group of motorists but allow a bigger version to go up ... a trailer should be a trailer. I should organise a micro car expedition up the hill ...... see how you coulld really balls things up with perfectly legal but inadequate vehicles. I drove a Bond E 3 wheeler up to the Cat & Fiddle Inn, 175/250cc (one or the other) of Villier's finest in a car of sorts, I just about overtook a none lyra cyclist 

[Andy B]

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.2347728,-1.246052,3a,26.5y,88.02h,83.23t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sjMgG2RYU2nba8B8G-YVKvA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

And that Mini is still there! 

[tigers_gonads]

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Stick it on here where your site is and what alternative route your t@at nav gives you and i'll tell you what the route is like in the real world 

It's at Helmsley I've not looked at the sat-nav yet to see which way she'd send us.

The way i'd go from yours ..................

M62  ---  M1 ---  A1M --- A64 (round the bottom of York) to Malton.
Come off the A64 and head north on the A169 until you get to Pickering.
Turn left onto the A170 
Helmsley's about 10 - 15 mile down the road 

95% motorway or duel carriageway
No crappy roads (until you get onto the A170 between Pickering and Helmsley) iirc

Enjoy 

[hercules]

one thing about Sutton bank is just as you start to climb it there is a house at the bottom and the view they have is outstanding,im not jealous much  and yes mr gonad that is the route im taking tomoz when I deliver a van 

[Andy B]

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Stick it on here where your site is and what alternative route your t@at nav gives you and i'll tell you what the route is like in the real world 

It's at Helmsley I've not looked at the sat-nav yet to see which way she'd send us.

The way i'd go from yours ..................

M62  ---  M1 ---  A1M --- A64 (round the bottom of York) to Malton.
Come off the A64 and head north on the A169 until you get to Pickering.
Turn left onto the A170 
Helmsley's about 10 - 15 mile down the road 

95% motorway or duel carriageway
No crappy roads (until you get onto the A170 between Pickering and Helmsley) iirc

Enjoy 

Cheers Tiger! I'll tell Mrs B 

[tigers_gonads]

....
Stick it on here where your site is and what alternative route your t@at nav gives you and i'll tell you what the route is like in the real world 

It's at Helmsley I've not looked at the sat-nav yet to see which way she'd send us.

The way i'd go from yours ..................

M62  ---  M1 ---  A1M --- A64 (round the bottom of York) to Malton.
Come off the A64 and head north on the A169 until you get to Pickering.
Turn left onto the A170 
Helmsley's about 10 - 15 mile down the road 

95% motorway or duel carriageway
No crappy roads (until you get onto the A170 between Pickering and Helmsley) iirc

Enjoy 

Cheers Tiger! I'll tell Mrs B 

No worries Andy 

[Mr Gav]

 I drove a Bond E 3 wheeler up to the Cat & Fiddle Inn, 175/250cc (one or the other) of Villier's finest in a car of sorts, I just about overtook a none lyra cyclist 

Speaking of which......shouldn`t you think about doing something with it involving a bike engine?

[Andy B]

 I drove a Bond E 3 wheeler up to the Cat & Fiddle Inn, 175/250cc (one or the other) of Villier's finest in a car of sorts, I just about overtook a none lyra cyclist 

Speaking of which......shouldn`t you think about doing something with it involving a bike engine?

Like a turbo'd Hyabusa engine 

[Mr Gav]

 I drove a Bond E 3 wheeler up to the Cat & Fiddle Inn, 175/250cc (one or the other) of Villier's finest in a car of sorts, I just about overtook a none lyra cyclist 

Speaking of which......shouldn`t you think about doing something with it involving a bike engine?

Like a turbo'd Hyabusa engine 

Exactly like turbo'd Hyabusa engine