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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 09 August 2017, 10:59:24
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I'm thinking of changing my car to a later model. A car with a sunroof. I like the car in question but I'm not convinced this is a desirable option.
With AC, a sunroof seems to be something of an anachronism these days.
Presumably I should expect less headroom, more wind roar, and more squeaks and rattles.
Anyone (Omega Elite owners?) care to tell me of their experience(s) both good and bad with a large hole in the roof. :y
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I'm thinking of changing my car to a later model. A car with a sunroof. I like the car in question but I'm not convinced this is a desirable option.
With AC, a sunroof seems to be something of an anachronism these days.
Presumably I should expect less headroom, more wind roar, and more squeaks and rattles.
Anyone (Omega Elite owners?) care to tell me of their experience(s) both good and bad with a large hole in the roof. :y
That horrible buffeting/drumming noise you get with the sunroof open :( Seems every car with a sunroof has this annoying problem and sunroofs are only any good when the cars not moving :P :-\
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I'm thinking of changing my car to a later model. A car with a sunroof. I like the car in question but I'm not convinced this is a desirable option.
With AC, a sunroof seems to be something of an anachronism these days.
Presumably I should expect less headroom, more wind roar, and more squeaks and rattles.
Anyone (Omega Elite owners?) care to tell me of their experience(s) both good and bad with a large hole in the roof. :y
That horrible buffeting/drumming noise you get with the sunroof open :( Seems every car with a sunroof has this annoying problem and sunroofs are only any good when the cars not moving :P :-\
Thanks, Mr EMD.
Any problems when the roof is closed?
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The sunroof (sliding head) on my 1938 Morris 12 never had any of those win-roar problems, as it was a much larger hole in the roof - half the roof itself - and it couldn't go over 70 MPH anyway!
That's the way to do it (Mr. Punch voice)!
Ron.
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Im sure there are professional companies that would fit a sunroof for you instead of changing the car mr opti :y How much it costs would depend on the size of tin opener they used ;D
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Very rarely use mine. Usually only on a boiling hot day (so that's not very often.....) if the air con needs regassing :D Got a full panoramic roof on my 'modern' car and I never use that. Should do really, if only to make sure they are not sticking and keep the runners running....
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Im sure there are professional companies that would fit a sunroof for you instead of changing the car mr opti :y How much it costs would depend on the size of tin opener they used ;D
I don't want a sunroof.....the car just happens to come with one. :y
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The sunroof (sliding head) on my 1938 Morris 12 never had any of those win-roar problems, as it was a much larger hole in the roof - half the roof itself - and it couldn't go over 70 MPH anyway!
That's the way to do it (Mr. Punch voice)!
Ron.
Strewth, Ron. :o
You must be older than STMO and his whippet added together. ;) :D
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The one on the omega had a bit of a mind of its own (common problem I understand) and its days were numbered when it opened one evening and I came down next morning to a soaking wet drivers seat >:(.
Since then I pulled the fuse and used it no further. That said, I doubt this is a general sunroof issue.
Are you talking about replacing the Jag m'lud, or the mighty signum?
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I've had several cars with a sunroof, including my omega. As you said, they are archaic. Useful in the days before air con, maybe, but a pretty useless way of cooling or ventilating a car.
Imagine sitting in a queue of traffic with all the fumes coming in. If you insist on the wind in your hair, buy a fully fledged convertible.
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If you insist on the wind in your hair, buy a fully fledged convertible.
Given this is the Baron of Lincolnshire we're talking about, I would suggest a nice F-Type convertible would suit.
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The sunroof (sliding head) on my 1938 Morris 12 never had any of those win-roar problems, as it was a much larger hole in the roof - half the roof itself - and it couldn't go over 70 MPH anyway!
That's the way to do it (Mr. Punch voice)!
Ron.
I'll have you know that I'm only 29 - and have been for a few years now! 8)
Ron.
P.S. I did NOT buy that Morris from new!!!!!
Strewth, Ron. :o
You must be older than STMO and his whippet added together. ;) :D
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The one on the omega had a bit of a mind of its own (common problem I understand) and its days were numbered when it opened one evening and I came down next morning to a soaking wet drivers seat >:(.
Since then I pulled the fuse and used it no further. That said, I doubt this is a general sunroof issue.
Are you talking about replacing the Jag m'lud, or the mighty signum?
The 'Mighty Signum ' is simply irreplaceable, Aaron. :y
Possible replacement for the other car.
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If you insist on the wind in your hair, buy a fully fledged convertible.
Given this is the Baron of Lincolnshire we're talking about, I would suggest a nice F-Type convertible would suit.
Bit girlie. :)
If I had a nice pair of tits and a short leather skirt then perhaps yes.
........Oh, hang on, I've just checked my wardrobe. ;D
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I never use mine, and see it as one of those design features from the bygone era of the 70/80s when everyone wanted a sunroof before the advent of widespread a/c. I remember when it was always stated that a Englishman's air con was a sunroof!
Yep, a useless feature unless your a/c blows up! ::) ::) ;)
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I've had several cars with a sunroof, including my omega. As you said, they are archaic. Useful in the days before air con, maybe, but a pretty useless way of cooling or ventilating a car.
Imagine sitting in a queue of traffic with all the fumes coming in. If you insist on the wind in your hair, buy a fully fledged convertible.
I concur. Also..... unless the driver happens to be a 'shortarse' lack of headroom can be a problem.
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The one on the omega had a bit of a mind of its own (common problem I understand) and its days were numbered when it opened one evening and I came down next morning to a soaking wet drivers seat >:(.
Since then I pulled the fuse and used it no further. That said, I doubt this is a general sunroof issue.
Are you talking about replacing the Jag m'lud, or the mighty signum?
The 'Mighty Signum ' is simply irreplaceable, Aaron. :y
Possible replacement for the other car.
I'm Aaron. He's Jimmy.
Off to Specsavers with you! :P ;D
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The one on the omega had a bit of a mind of its own (common problem I understand) and its days were numbered when it opened one evening and I came down next morning to a soaking wet drivers seat >:(.
Since then I pulled the fuse and used it no further. That said, I doubt this is a general sunroof issue.
Are you talking about replacing the Jag m'lud, or the mighty signum?
The 'Mighty Signum ' is simply irreplaceable, Aaron. :y
Possible replacement for the other car.
I'm Aaron. He's Jimmy.
Off to Specsavers with you! :P ;D
I am so very, very, very sorry. :P :P :P :P :P
You young whippersnappers need to make allowances for us elderly folk. ;) ;D
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I never use mine, and see it as one of those design features from the bygone era of the 70/80s when everyone wanted a sunroof before the advent of widespread a/c. I remember when it was always stated that a Englishman's air con was a sunroof!
Yep, a useless feature unless your a/c blows up! ::) ::) ;)
Agreed, Lizzie. Spot on.
.......and a closed sunroof has the additional benefit of stopping nefarious ne'er do wells from peering down your cleavage when stationary in traffic. ;) :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
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I had a sunroof on my 2.5cdx and on my e36 coupe, always used them, they are actually quieter than using the door windows.
I see loads of people with expensive motors that drive with the windows down, and I cant work out why theyd have the ac on with them down?
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Never used mine on either Omega apart from seeing if they worked. IMHO they are just something that weakens the body shell, adds to the problems of worn seals, and provides another opportunity for the tinworm to attack the edges. AC is the way to go. :y
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Always use the sunroof on both our Elites. Really miss it on the CD. The minute the sun is out, open goes the roof ;) :y
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A ruddy great motor and a pane of glass, so a load of weight, up high above the centre of gravity, and a great big hole in the roof that is bound to leak eventually.
Horrible when the car is in motion and bound to attract rain and bird sh1t when it's parked.
Nope, not a good idea, IMHO.
As I've always said, if you don't like the roof, ditch the whole thing. ::)
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I never use mine, and see it as one of those design features from the bygone era of the 70/80s when everyone wanted a sunroof before the advent of widespread a/c. I remember when it was always stated that a Englishman's air con was a sunroof!
Yep, a useless feature unless your a/c blows up! ::) ::) ;)
Agreed, Lizzie. Spot on.
.......and a closed sunroof has the additional benefit of stopping nefarious ne'er do wells from peering down your cleavage when stationary in traffic. ;) :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
Trust you Opti! ::) ::) ::) Your one track mind strikes again! :o :o :o ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) ;)
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I like sunroofs :y Though I don't often open them
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I never use mine, and see it as one of those design features from the bygone era of the 70/80s when everyone wanted a sunroof before the advent of widespread a/c. I remember when it was always stated that a Englishman's air con was a sunroof!
Yep, a useless feature unless your a/c blows up! ::) ::) ;)
Agreed, Lizzie. Spot on.
.......and a closed sunroof has the additional benefit of stopping nefarious ne'er do wells from peering down your cleavage when stationary in traffic. ;) :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
Trust you Opti! ::) ::) ::) Your one track mind strikes again! :o :o :o ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) ;)
I, of course, would avert my gaze should such an opportunity presents itself, Lizzie.
I give you my word as a gentleman. ::) ::) ::) :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
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My bullsh*t detector just rang off the hook! :y :y :y
Ron.
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My bullsh*t detector just rang off the hook! :y :y :y
Ron.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Always use the sunroof on both our Elites. Really miss it on the CD. The minute the sun is out, open goes the roof ;) :y
I'm the same. Unless the temperature has reached the high twenties, and then it's time for the A/C.
A sunroof is the second main reason for insisting on an Elite: they didn't do a 3.0l CD
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The big advantage to me is the extra light. A big consideration in tupperware land. We have just deleted it though from our next car list. Doubled the pool. The disad outweigh the ads.
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Always use the sunroof on both our Elites. Really miss it on the CD. The minute the sun is out, open goes the roof ;) :y
I'm the same. Unless the temperature has reached the high twenties, and then it's time for the A/C.
A sunroof is the second main reason for insisting on an Elite: they didn't do a 3.0l CD
What is the number one reason,Nick?
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They were useful in the day when a lot of passion was going on in the back seats ... useful for either letting the steam out or putting a pair of legs through :-* :-* ;D
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They were useful in the day when a lot of passion was going on in the back seats ... useful for either letting the steam out or putting a pair of legs through :-* :-* ;D
:o :o :o :o :o
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Always use the sunroof on both our Elites. Really miss it on the CD. The minute the sun is out, open goes the roof ;) :y
I'm the same. Unless the temperature has reached the high twenties, and then it's time for the A/C.
A sunroof is the second main reason for insisting on an Elite: they didn't do a 3.0l CD
What is the number one reason,Nick?
Read the rest of the sentence.
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I'd really miss not having one. I don't always have it open, sometimes just with the sunshade back.
It's one key reason I went for an XJ over an XF.
Problems I've had? On the Rover, the frame rusted through, as Rover BMW decided it didn't need anticorrosion, causing a leak >:(. Replaced with best one from scrappy, after removing about 6 ;D. On the Elite, the paint flaked off frame, which detracts from its looks. I meant to swap with the MFL one before scrapping, but forgot.
Apart from the shitbox Focus and the Nova, every car I've had has had a sunroof :y
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Apart from the shitbox Focus and the Nova, every car I've had has had a sunroof :y
And the Acclaim.
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Apart from the shitbox Focus and the Nova, every car I've had has had a sunroof :y
And the Acclaim.
A mate of mine is running round in one of them at the moment. :D
It's a surprisingly nice car for its' age. :y
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I'd really miss not having one. I don't always have it open, sometimes just with the sunshade back.
It's one key reason I went for an XJ over an XF.
Problems I've had? On the Rover, the frame rusted through, as Rover BMW decided it didn't need anticorrosion, causing a leak >:(. Replaced with best one from scrappy, after removing about 6 ;D. On the Elite, the paint flaked off frame, which detracts from its looks. I meant to swap with the MFL one before scrapping, but forgot.
Apart from the shitbox Focus and the Nova, every car I've had has had a sunroof :y
Well, I'd have to drive down to Kidlington somewhere near Oxford to view the car. My biggest fear is that it would look pretty good in the flesh and I'd end up making an expensive and impulsive purchase.....
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My problem is I'm not good at 'sensible'
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I'd really miss not having one. I don't always have it open, sometimes just with the sunshade back.
It's one key reason I went for an XJ over an XF.
Problems I've had? On the Rover, the frame rusted through, as Rover BMW decided it didn't need anticorrosion, causing a leak >:(. Replaced with best one from scrappy, after removing about 6 ;D. On the Elite, the paint flaked off frame, which detracts from its looks. I meant to swap with the MFL one before scrapping, but forgot.
Apart from the shitbox Focus and the Nova, every car I've had has had a sunroof :y
Well, I'd have to drive down to Kidlington somewhere near Oxford to view the car. My biggest fear is that it would look pretty good in the flesh and I'd end up making an expensive and impulsive purchase.....
Racks brain, trying to think what dealers are in the motor city estate in Kidlington. Can't see Opti going for Renault or Nissan, so must be a nice diesel Insignia ;D
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I'd really miss not having one. I don't always have it open, sometimes just with the sunshade back.
It's one key reason I went for an XJ over an XF.
Problems I've had? On the Rover, the frame rusted through, as Rover BMW decided it didn't need anticorrosion, causing a leak >:(. Replaced with best one from scrappy, after removing about 6 ;D. On the Elite, the paint flaked off frame, which detracts from its looks. I meant to swap with the MFL one before scrapping, but forgot.
Apart from the shitbox Focus and the Nova, every car I've had has had a sunroof :y
Well, I'd have to drive down to Kidlington somewhere near Oxford to view the car. My biggest fear is that it would look pretty good in the flesh and I'd end up making an expensive and impulsive purchase.....
Racks brain, trying to think what dealers are in the motor city estate in Kidlington. Can't see Opti going for Renault or Nissan, so must be a nice diesel Insignia ;D
Over my dead body. :y
Nope, just a newer version (2015) of what I already have ........with a sunroof.
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Jag ain't got a dealer there... ...have they?
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Jag ain't got a dealer there... ...have they?
A place called Unity. Jeep and Alfa dealer I believe.
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Jag ain't got a dealer there... ...have they?
A place called Unity. Jeep and Alfa dealer I believe.
Ah, bit North of Kidlington. We did a photoshoot there at the first Oxford OOF meet.
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Sunroofs pointless things, I actively look to shut the blind on my 3.2 to reduce wind roar at motorway speeds.
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Sunroofs pointless things, I actively look to shut the blind on my 3.2 to reduce wind roar at motorway speeds.
Seals failing?
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No water getting in, but guess it's just age and poor condition and letting noise in.
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No water getting in, but guess it's just age and poor condition and letting noise in.
Given that to notice a leak it would have to be catastrophic... (or drains blocked) ;D
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Mr Tunnie is correct. A sunroof will rob you of headroom, increase noise, lessen structural rigidity........and eventually piss water into the car.
I need to hear more of this. :y
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Mr Tunnie is correct. A sunroof will rob you of headroom, increase noise, lessen structural rigidity........and eventually piss water into the car.
I need to hear more of this. :y
The X351 opens by lifting up, and over the top of the roof
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But you're right, Opti, sunroofs are work of Satin, and its not worth the trip to Oxford :P.
Get a nice Mundano Diesel instead.
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Nope, just a newer version (2015) of what I already have ........with a sunroof.
What's prompted the change? I didn't think the current encumbant was that old :-\
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But you're right, Opti, sunroofs are work of Satin, and its not worth the trip to Oxford :P.
Get a nice Mundano Diesel instead.
I believe my views of cars running on 'narrow boat fuel' are well documented on here. :P :P :P
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Nope, just a newer version (2015) of what I already have ........with a sunroof.
What's prompted the change? I didn't think the current encumbant was that old :-\
It isn't, Jimmy. July 2013 to be exact. The last XFR's were manufactured in 2015 and I quite fancy one of the last. They are pretty rare, only 35 for sale on Autotrader. I just love these cars.
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But you're right, Opti, sunroofs are work of Satin, and its not worth the trip to Oxford :P.
Get a nice Mundano Diesel instead.
WTF is Satin? ;D
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But you're right, Opti, sunroofs are work of Satin, and its not worth the trip to Oxford :P.
Get a nice Mundano Diesel instead.
WTF is Satin? ;D
Something in between matt and gloss if we are talking paint. :)
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It isn't, Jimmy. July 2013 to be exact. The last XFR's were manufactured in 2015 and I quite fancy one of the last. They are pretty rare, only 35 for sale on Autotrader. I just love these cars.
That's good :) I thought you were having issues with it, which would be sad.
I very much like a lot of the "R" jags, S-type, Both XJ's, XK and the XF. A 5.0 XF is firmly on the list once my daily commute drops below 20 miles or so. How hard is the suspension on the R's? Father had an RS6 for a while, but I couldn't live with that suspension day to day. Iirc they did a wheezy N/A 5.0 with standard suspension which may do.
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It isn't, Jimmy. July 2013 to be exact. The last XFR's were manufactured in 2015 and I quite fancy one of the last. They are pretty rare, only 35 for sale on Autotrader. I just love these cars.
That's good :) I thought you were having issues with it, which would be sad.
I very much like a lot of the "R" jags, S-type, Both XJ's, XK and the XF. A 5.0 XF is firmly on the list once my daily commute drops below 20 miles or so. How hard is the suspension on the R's? Father had an RS6 for a while, but I couldn't live with that suspension day to day. Iirc they did a wheezy N/A 5.0 with standard suspension which may do.
I have been a passenger in an RS6 Avant and the ride is like concrete. :-\
My Jag, even in Sport mode and riding on twenty inch wheels is like a feather-bed in comparison. The Germans tend to like everything rock hard.
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Well, I suppose when all your roads are as smooth as a Bavarian milkmaid' wossits, you can afford to build them that way :y
So is there no "new" xfr
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I loved a XF-S that was for sale locally, I sat in one and started her up, 3.0 diesel 8)
Super comfy place to be, very nice interior.
Trouble is it lacked practicality, mainly the boot, could not do duel role of family car. Once I get MrsT her mummy bus, I would strongly consider switching to one.
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I loved a XF-S that was for sale locally, I sat in one and started her up, 3.0 diesel 8)
Super comfy place to be, very nice interior.
Trouble is it lacked practicality, mainly the boot, could not do duel role of family car. Once I get MrsT her mummy bus, I would strongly consider switching to one.
The boot is big :y......rear passenger leg room is piss poor unless the driver is Ronnie Corbett or Richard Hammond. :-\
I would almost go as far as to say that the Jaguar XF is more a two plus two than a genuine 4/5 seat car.
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Eh? I thought the boot was seriously small!
Could not get the pram in, not even close to going in.
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Well, I suppose when all your roads are as smooth as a Bavarian milkmaid' wossits, you can afford to build them that way :y
So is there no "new" xfr
Not that I'm aware of.
I believe Jaguar are going to drop the 5.0V8 S/C is the smaller XE though. Should be fun. :y
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Eh? I thought the boot was seriously small!
Could not get the pram in, not even close to going in.
It's an odd shape with a 'lump' part way back.
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It's also a very narrow the entry, which was the killer for me. :'(
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Said the Actress to the Bishop. :D
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Red seats :y
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What he said!
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So to summarise/summarize.
The majority of 'right thinking' people on here (including a girl) think a sunroof is a noisy leaky piece of nostalgia that is best left in 1983.
I agree. So no need to travel to see the car. :y
.......but I would like to see it. :-\
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Sunroof is neither here nor there... consider it a free item of whimsy that cost the original buyer a small holiday :y
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Sunroof is neither here nor there... consider it a free item of whimsy that cost the original buyer a small holiday :y
Long holiday on an E34 estate. And the holiday probably lasted longer than the sunroof worked.
That was the only car I've never used the sunroof, mainly because like most of them it didn't work. And a quick look at the mechanism meant that I jiggled it about until the roof was shut, and disconnected the switch so it didn't move again.
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Sunroof is neither here nor there... consider it a free item of whimsy that cost the original buyer a small holiday :y
Yep, on the Skoda the roof (the entire roof is glass) is a £1200 option.. I have one, but only because they had the car in stock and I didn't have to pay the £1200!
That said I do actually like it as it makes the car feel considerably more 'roomy' (and it's pretty roomy to begin with).
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I love Sunroofs use them all the time, even in winter, mainly on tilt though, having said I do like fresh air, I probably have my drivers and rear windows open about a couple inches as well.
If I had to chose over Sunroof or AC, Sunroof for me.
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I have a sunroof on the Elite and it isn't noisy when closed and it doesn't leak..... but in saying that I don't use it. ::) I do occasionally give it a test run to make sure it still works. :y
Remind me again what their purpose is. :-\ On tilt nothing happens, unless you travel in reverse at high speed ::) and when fully open it creates a drumming in your head and you get a burnt head sat in traffic.
If I saw a nice car and it happened to have a sunroof it wouldn't put me off though.
Go on, you know you want to. :)
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That said I do actually like it as it makes the car feel considerably more 'roomy' (and it's pretty roomy to begin with).
Yeah, i imagine a superb without one would feel really poky :P
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That said I do actually like it as it makes the car feel considerably more 'roomy' (and it's pretty roomy to begin with).
Yeah, i imagine a superb without one would feel really poky :P
C'mon, it's practically a super-mini ;D
This reminds me to go and pick t'other half up from TP in a few minutes.. better not be late! :-X
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I loved a XF-S that was for sale locally, I sat in one and started her up, 3.0 diesel 8)
Super comfy place to be, very nice interior.
Which one? I found the seats in the Premium (or was it Luxury Premium) uncomfortable after a while.
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Senators had a sun roof as does my Elite.The XJ I had didn't and the V70 hasn't.Never noticed a problem headroom wise[I'm just shy of 6ft]only ever used them on tilt and don't really notice the lack of one either.So a sunroof or not is not a deal breaker for me,I certainly wouldn't swap cars just to gain[or lose] a sunroof.
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I loved a XF-S that was for sale locally, I sat in one and started her up, 3.0 diesel 8)
Super comfy place to be, very nice interior.
Which one? I found the seats in the Premium (or was it Luxury Premium) uncomfortable after a while.
It was a Portfolio one, long since sold. Really liking the CC though, it would cost a fair bit to switch.
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I loved a XF-S that was for sale locally, I sat in one and started her up, 3.0 diesel 8)
Super comfy place to be, very nice interior.
Which one? I found the seats in the Premium (or was it Luxury Premium) uncomfortable after a while.
It was a Portfolio one, long since sold. Really liking the CC though, it would cost a fair bit to switch.
With the massage seats? If so, guessing same as what I have in the big pussy. I find these quite comfortable on extended runs, just wish I could lift the lumbar a shade more.
Still not as nice as Elite Cloth... ...which to this day remains the best long distance seat I have ever encountered.
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I loved a XF-S that was for sale locally, I sat in one and started her up, 3.0 diesel 8)
Super comfy place to be, very nice interior.
Which one? I found the seats in the Premium (or was it Luxury Premium) uncomfortable after a while.
It was a Portfolio one, long since sold. Really liking the CC though, it would cost a fair bit to switch.
With the massage seats? If so, guessing same as what I have in the big pussy. I find these quite comfortable on extended runs, just wish I could lift the lumbar a shade more.
Still not as nice as Elite Cloth... ...which to this day remains the best long distance seat I have ever encountered.
There's a set up for grabs in F/S IIRC ::)
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Sunroofs pointless things, I actively look to shut the blind on my 3.2 to reduce wind roar at motorway speeds.
Seals failing?
TBH, I can't say I've really noticed any wind noise from the sunroof, probably because it's drowned out by the tyre noise... ::)
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The frame that supports the glass on mine is quite rusty so i'm waiting for the day it leaps out of the roof on the motorway and lands on someones bonnet >:(.