Topic: Help with a cooker.... (Read 2787 times)

TD · « **on:** 12 August 2017, 16:28:40 »

Its a Belling FSE 60MF

One of the rings is either fully on or off (when turned off)
So, say you put the ring on position 1 it heats up read hot and stays like that.

Now I thought it was going to be the control knob and would be fairly easy to change.
So, I take the top off, pop the knob of the control off. Theres no visible screws to undo which I thought taking the knob off would reveal.
The switch is also tightly packed with other gubbins in the way.

Then I notice the heating element.....its this one

http://www.bellingspares.co.uk/cooker-oven/fse60mf-blk-444449576/ceramic-hotplate-element-single-1800w/product.pl?pid=1162876&path=600217&model_ref=3529439

That's looks like some sort of thermostat running across the top in a glass tube $:-\$

So now I'm undecided, is the fault the control knob or the heating element $:-\$

Any ideas chaps.......

Sir Tigger KC · « **Reply #1 on:** 12 August 2017, 16:39:46 »

No idea Dave, but I do like a good White Goods thread!

We havn't had one for a while.

Andy H · « **Reply #2 on:** 12 August 2017, 16:41:39 »

Ceramic hobs have a high temperature cut off thermostat to protect the glass - this is in addition to the control knob.

TD · « **Reply #3 on:** 12 August 2017, 16:44:15 »

Quote from: Andy H on 12 August 2017, 16:41:39

Ceramic hobs have a thermostat to protect the glass - this is in addition to the control knob.

So, your saying that is a thermostat on the heating element but nothing to do with the fault... $:-\$

Andy H · « **Reply #4 on:** 12 August 2017, 17:35:16 »

Quote from: TD on 12 August 2017, 16:44:15

Quote from: Andy H on 12 August 2017, 16:41:39
Ceramic hobs have a thermostat to protect the glass - this is in addition to the control knob.

So, your saying that is a thermostat on the heating element but nothing to do with the fault... $:-\$

Yes

TD · « **Reply #5 on:** 12 August 2017, 19:02:46 »

Quote from: Andy H on 12 August 2017, 17:35:16

Quote from: TD on 12 August 2017, 16:44:15
Quote from: Andy H on 12 August 2017, 16:41:39
Ceramic hobs have a thermostat to protect the glass - this is in addition to the control knob.

So, your saying that is a thermostat on the heating element but nothing to do with the fault... $:-\$
Yes

Ok thankyou

I'll have another looksee tomorrow on how you get the control out.....canrt find anything online to help me tho

Andy H · « **Reply #6 on:** 12 August 2017, 20:24:11 »

This may not be the actual device but I think you need to replace one of these http://www.bellingspares.co.uk/cooker-oven/fse60mf-444449575/energy-regulator-mp-v01-svc/product.pl?pid=947593&path=600217&model_ref=1162552

TD · « **Reply #7 on:** 13 August 2017, 07:19:38 »

Quote from: Andy H on 12 August 2017, 20:24:11

This may not be the actual device but I think you need to replace one of these http://www.bellingspares.co.uk/cooker-oven/fse60mf-444449575/energy-regulator-mp-v01-svc/product.pl?pid=947593&path=600217&model_ref=1162552

I think that is the item I need....its how to get to screws holding it in I'm struggling with....looks like i'll have to take off all the knobs and remove the front panel somehow $:-\$

Viral_Jim · « **Reply #8 on:** 13 August 2017, 09:30:36 »

In the back of this service manual (slightly different model designation but the structure looks identical to yours- different designation for different region maybe?) there is a circuit diagram and some exploded diagrams. Also a parts listing. Should be everything you need

https://www.manualslib.com/manual/886003/Belling-Fse-60-Dop.html#manual

TD · « **Reply #9 on:** 13 August 2017, 12:24:23 »

Quote from: jimmy944 on 13 August 2017, 09:30:36

In the back of this service manual (slightly different model designation but the structure looks identical to yours- different designation for different region maybe?) there is a circuit diagram and some exploded diagrams. Also a parts listing. Should be everything you need

https://www.manualslib.com/manual/886003/Belling-Fse-60-Dop.html#manual

Thankyou, just what I needed, It is slightly different and I didn't have to remove the sides to get the glass top off as the manual says you have to. But it does show me to get the control cover off I need to remove the sides

TD · « **Reply #10 on:** 13 August 2017, 16:34:28 »

Well I got there in the end....

Can I give a Belling designer an award for something.... $:-\$

So its a halogen hob cooker.....whats the most likely thing to go wrong....ah yes! the control switches...

So we'll design it so to replace one of the switches....

You have to remove the top (fair enough)
Then you have to remove the sides to access the screws for the front panel
But we'll make it so you carnt take of the left side panel unless you remove the oven door
Then you have to take off all the knobs
Then unscrew the front panel to remove it
Then you can get to the screws to undo the switch!

There...that should stop anyone attempting DIY

STEMO · « **Reply #11 on:** 14 August 2017, 07:00:56 »

Quote from: TD on 13 August 2017, 16:34:28

Well I got there in the end....

Can I give a Belling designer an award for something.... $:-\$

So its a halogen hob cooker.....whats the most likely thing to go wrong....ah yes! the control switches...

So we'll design it so to replace one of the switches....

You have to remove the top (fair enough)
Then you have to remove the sides to access the screws for the front panel
But we'll make it so you carnt take of the left side panel unless you remove the oven door
Then you have to take off all the knobs
Then unscrew the front panel to remove it
Then you can get to the screws to undo the switch!

There...that should stop anyone attempting DIY

Didn't stop you

Sir Tigger KC · « **Reply #12 on:** 14 August 2017, 09:00:26 »

Quote from: TD on 13 August 2017, 16:34:28

There...that should stop anyone attempting DIY

Yes you should have just taken it to the tip and bought a new one!

STEMO · « **Reply #13 on:** 14 August 2017, 10:50:02 »

Quote from: Sir Tigger QC on 14 August 2017, 09:00:26

Quote from: TD on 13 August 2017, 16:34:28

There...that should stop anyone attempting DIY

Yes you should have just taken it to the tip and bought a new one!

I think they're about £600, those cookers...worth repairing.

Viral_Jim · « **Reply #14 on:** 14 August 2017, 13:06:37 »

Quote from: TD on 13 August 2017, 16:34:28

There...that should stop anyone attempting DIY

Yup, we have a 2 oven rangemaster (came with the house, no way I'd pay the £1500 it cost!), fan unit in the oven died,

Only accessible from the back

. Not easy considering it probably weighs more than my first car!

Sir Tigger KC · « **Reply #15 on:** 14 August 2017, 13:08:01 »

Quote from: STEMO on 14 August 2017, 10:50:02

Quote from: Sir Tigger QC on 14 August 2017, 09:00:26
Quote from: TD on 13 August 2017, 16:34:28

There...that should stop anyone attempting DIY

Yes you should have just taken it to the tip and bought a new one!
I think they're about £600, those cookers...worth repairing.

£600?

Probably not an economic repair then if you had to get someone in? $:-\$

Which is why they make them awkward to do simple repairs!

TD · « **Reply #16 on:** 14 August 2017, 16:02:57 »

Quote from: Sir Tigger QC on 14 August 2017, 13:08:01

Quote from: STEMO on 14 August 2017, 10:50:02
Quote from: Sir Tigger QC on 14 August 2017, 09:00:26
Quote from: TD on 13 August 2017, 16:34:28

There...that should stop anyone attempting DIY

Yes you should have just taken it to the tip and bought a new one!
I think they're about £600, those cookers...worth repairing.

£600?

Probably not an economic repair then if you had to get someone in? $:-\$

Which is why they make them awkward to do simple repairs!

Yep was about that iirc......

The main oven controls are stupidly complicated tho, imo

You can just select to use as a fan oven (which its only used in)
Or no fan and heat from the top only or bottom only or sides only....no idea why you would want to use those settings unless its something to do with baking cakes and the like $:-\$

TD · « **Reply #17 on:** 14 August 2017, 17:36:06 »

Got a new switch today....

Went to an electrical shop....that's been there for ever! Even when I was a nipper it was there....its one of those time warp places!

Told him the part number, which he said meant nothing to him! So he looked up the model number of the cooker on what must have been the most modernist thing in the shop....a laptop

He identified the switch I needed and said I must have one of those.....so disappeared out the back of the shop and returned with a box of switches......sorting through it he found one.....result

And just as cheap as the ones online and genuine Belling as well.....

Don't you just love those type of shops.....totally disorganised, dust everywhere but still make a profit

Entwood · « **Reply #18 on:** 14 August 2017, 18:07:11 »

Quote from: TD on 14 August 2017, 17:36:06

Got a new switch today....

Went to an electrical shop....that's been there for ever! Even when I was a nipper it was there....its one of those time warp places!

Told him the part number, which he said meant nothing to him! So he looked up the model number of the cooker on what must have been the most modernist thing in the shop....a laptop He identified the switch I needed and said I must have one of those.....so disappeared out the back of the shop and returned with a box of switches......sorting through it he found one.....result And just as cheap as the ones online and genuine Belling as well.....

Don't you just love those type of shops.....totally disorganised, dust everywhere but still make a profit

Would that be a certain shop in Manchester Road

.. Right little gold mine that ... shame the one up Victoria Hill went some years back .. he knew how to get bits for anything !!

TD · « **Reply #19 on:** 15 August 2017, 06:41:06 »

Quote from: Entwood on 14 August 2017, 18:07:11

Quote from: TD on 14 August 2017, 17:36:06
Got a new switch today....

Went to an electrical shop....that's been there for ever! Even when I was a nipper it was there....its one of those time warp places!

Told him the part number, which he said meant nothing to him! So he looked up the model number of the cooker on what must have been the most modernist thing in the shop....a laptop He identified the switch I needed and said I must have one of those.....so disappeared out the back of the shop and returned with a box of switches......sorting through it he found one.....result And just as cheap as the ones online and genuine Belling as well.....

Don't you just love those type of shops.....totally disorganised, dust everywhere but still make a profit

Would that be a certain shop in Manchester Road .. Right little gold mine that ... shame the one up Victoria Hill went some years back .. he knew how to get bits for anything !!

Yes

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