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[TheBoy]

Eu( including  Britain for a few months) has signed a trade deal with Japan. Cars built in Japan will be cheaper as no WTO tariffs. After Brexit without a trade deal with the EU ( which will take about a thousand years to agree) no point in being in the UK.

Conversely, cars built in the UK will be more expensive, any not just by the 10% WTO.  Which is why those 7000 are now nervous, along with the estimated 14000 who's jobs directly rely on Nissan in the UK.

That's why all manufacturers, not just automotive, are lobbying against a no deal exit.  They are run by people bright enough to know that a no deal exit spells the end of their businesses, certainly in the UK.


But remember, we were promised the EU would roll over so we could have our cake and eat it, with us being such a significant insignificant rock in the North Sea.  So fingers crossed, surely the EU will back down, give us an immediate trade deal, and also give us a £40b divorce settlement.

[Lizzie Zoom]

Eu( including  Britain for a few months) has signed a trade deal with Japan. Cars built in Japan will be cheaper as no WTO tariffs. After Brexit without a trade deal with the EU ( which will take about a thousand years to agree) no point in being in the UK.

Conversely, cars built in the UK will be more expensive, any not just by the 10% WTO.  Which is why those 7000 are now nervous, along with the estimated 14000 who's jobs directly rely on Nissan in the UK.

That's why all manufacturers, not just automotive, are lobbying against a no deal exit.  They are run by people bright enough to know that a no deal exit spells the end of their businesses, certainly in the UK.


But remember, we were promised the EU would roll over so we could have our cake and eat it, with us being such a significant insignificant rock in the North Sea.  So fingers crossed, surely the EU will back down, give us an immediate trade deal, and also give us a £40b divorce settlement.

Yes TB, I have just seen a pink pig flying across the English Channel, as no doubt all the car parts that criss cross Europe will do!

[Sir Tigger KC]

If the Japanese can build a Motor Car in Japan, ship it to Europe and sell it into a totally different regulatory environment to their own, without paying an extortionate annual fee for the privilege or forced to apply all the rules and regs of the EU to Japans domestic economy, then I'm damn sure we could too! 

I say could, because what's missing is the will, the appetite for change and a pervading pessimistic negative attitude that seems to infest the establishment and boardrooms of this country. 

[Nick W]

I say could, because what's missing is the will, the appetite for change and a pervading pessimistic negative attitude that seems to infest the establishment and boardrooms of this country. 

Yes, they've clearly misunderstood the correct Brexit procedure of not doing any planning whatsoever and just hoping for the best. Or whatever else their competitors might allow them. Where has proper sixties British management gone?

[Varche]

Eu( including  Britain for a few months) has signed a trade deal with Japan. Cars built in Japan will be cheaper as no WTO tariffs. After Brexit without a trade deal with the EU ( which will take about a thousand years to agree) no point in being in the UK.

Conversely, cars built in the UK will be more expensive, any not just by the 10% WTO.  Which is why those 7000 are now nervous, along with the estimated 14000 who's jobs directly rely on Nissan in the UK.

That's why all manufacturers, not just automotive, are lobbying against a no deal exit.  They are run by people bright enough to know that a no deal exit spells the end of their businesses, certainly in the UK.


But remember, we were promised the EU would roll over so we could have our cake and eat it, with us being such a significant insignificant rock in the North Sea.  So fingers crossed, surely the EU will back down, give us an immediate trade deal, and also give us a £40b divorce settlement.

I think your insignificant rock in the North Sea about sums it up. Instead of being proud of our position of 5 th or 6th world economy and our heritage and our abilities on the world stage ( yes we are world leaders in some areas!) we just roll over and say without the EU we are nothing.

You are right about why would the EU agree anything . It is in their interests to crush the UK for having the temerity to leave their Reich sorry ever greater federal state.

Anyway it is academic as T. May has an idea which is actually pre agreed and we will capitulate and be tied in forever.

39 billion is about 1000 pounds per working person. A lot isnt it!

[STEMO]

This 5th or 6th in the world economy grates a bit with me, because our schools and hospitals and social care (where this wealth should be apparent) are in a bad way. It's no good simply generating wealth, it needs to be used for the good of the people, not for lining the pockets of elite.

[STEMO]

Oh......and let's see where we rank in a year or two.

[Doctor Gollum]

Oh......and let's see where we rank in a year or two.

Still ahead of Ireland...

[STEMO]

Oh......and let's see where we rank in a year or two.

Still ahead of Ireland...

The Isle of Man will be ahead of Ireland 

[Sir Tigger KC]

Oh......and let's see where we rank in a year or two.

Still ahead of Ireland...

The Isle of Man will be ahead of Ireland 

Really?   .  And there was me thinking Ireland is one of the big economies of the world!   

[Lizzie Zoom]

This 5th or 6th in the world economy grates a bit with me, because our schools and hospitals and social care (where this wealth should be apparent) are in a bad way. It's no good simply generating wealth, it needs to be used for the good of the people, not for lining the pockets of elite.

Well that has been the way since the start of the Industrial Revolution (or should that be since the dawn of arristocracy) Steve, so I reckon we have to wait for that People's Revolution that seems to be always in the offing but never transpires

[Doctor Gollum]

Oh......and let's see where we rank in a year or two.

Still ahead of Ireland...

The Isle of Man will be ahead of Ireland 

Really?   .  And there was me thinking Ireland is one of the big islands of the world!   

Even Iceland is bigger...

[TheBoy]

Instead of being proud of our position of 5 th or 6th world economy

And take away our biggest market?  For all its flaws, the EU has generally been good for the UK's standard of living.

39 billion is about 1000 pounds per working person. A lot isnt it!

Damn sight cheaper than that white elephant being paid for buy all of us to line the pockets of HS2 Ltd

[TheBoy]

This 5th or 6th in the world economy grates a bit with me, because our schools and hospitals and social care (where this wealth should be apparent) are in a bad way. It's no good simply generating wealth, it needs to be used for the good of the people, not for lining the pockets of elite.

The trouble with that level of socialism, without dictatorship, is there aren't enough rich people to pay for those who don't/can't work.  True socialism/communism has never been tried here (or arguably globally, as there is usually corruption), but could never work alongside democracy.

Maybe its the way I was brought up, but I don't believe in short term gains tied to long term pains.  Hence I think the deficit does need paying off.  However (assuming approx. 20m people in full time employment), I can't afford my share of the £2t of £100,000 (and growing by £150 a month).

Not that I know what the answer is.  But its going to get significantly worse in the short/medium term.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Instead of being proud of our position of 5 th or 6th world economy

And take away our biggest market? For all its flaws, the EU has generally been good for the UK's standard of living.


What makes you think that the UK and EU are going to cease trading with each other ?