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93496

General Discussion Area / Re: Project Tractor engine swap

« on: 19 August 2007, 22:46:55 »

Jamie tell me to shut up if you like but. Are you 100% sure theres no air in the system, was it bled from the pump first then the injectors also is the fuel stop valve stuck half way..I am not familier with the BMW td fuel pump but i was a diesel fitter for 11 years and have had the same problems, especially with lots of smoke being pumped out i think i read earlier..

No, I haven't.

Under impression, these were self bleeding - I was expecting air in, but before on old engine, this was cleared fairly quickly.  No obvious bleed near pump or injectors?

93497

General Discussion Area / Re: Project Tractor engine swap

« on: 19 August 2007, 22:29:05 »

Jaime. I am sending you a full set of new glow plugs with laidback. A little something for that knackered gearbox - feel i owe you one.

Also, I am digging out my pics of the vacuum pipes. From memory you just have the big servo pie down the middle of the block then one spur off to the right and the one to the front of the engine. I will find the pics.

Ronnie, I have the plugs from old engine, which I will change over if others think thats the problem.  Really just looking for ideas on the poor running at the moment.

93498

General Discussion Area / Re: Project Tractor engine swap

« on: 19 August 2007, 22:27:44 »

Sorry to hear you are still having problems, it sounds as if you are nearly there. As far as testing the glowplugs, from what you say its a pain to get to them to check them. Is it not possible to check them from elsewhere, where the drive signal is derived from ?. Where do the glowplugs get their volts from?, is it a common line?.  A bit long winded, but if you could get access to the wires that feed them, you could use a clipon ammeter to check if each is drawing current, which might save a lot of dismantling. best of luck.

Easier to get to plugs than the loom that sits just below the plugs!  Bloody BMW.

93499

General Discussion Area / Re: Project Tractor engine swap

« on: 19 August 2007, 20:37:10 »

rather BMW.  I hate them. I really hate them. Why oh why oh why do you change the size of the pulleys you stupid people  .

Right, swapped the crank pulleys over, got belts on, all the inlet, turbo all connected, airbox on, rad and condensor all in, along with leccy fans, a/c all connected up, fuel pipes in, vac pipes possibly wrong.  Tunnie came round, so I let him do the gearbox loom and attach exhaust to turbo.

Ign on, then a quick Tech2.  Only engine code was an old 96 that I was getting (most likely due to the vac all being rubbish), so cleared that out.  So, ye of little faith, Omegatoy, the connectors must all be 'TheBoy proof' (except the one from the injector back to loom had a different connector - typical rather BMW, changing it for the hell of it  )


So, with everything done, it was time to start.

It starts (just), and runs (poorly), so that is a start.  It is most definately a misfire short of a full engine.  It needs throttle to help it start, it will idle (very lumpy) and won't rev beyonds 1500rpm.  It is noisy, and boy does it smoke - they is a huge soot mark on the drive behind it.

I think it is so close, just needs an expert to help me with the final step.

The final step - changing the burnt out valves in the new lump?  [smiley=evil.gif]

In all seriousness, if there's anything I can lend a hand with....

Any new codes since it's been run?

If not, I suspect the fault to be fuel related... managed to bleed it?

I've got a gut feeling about glow plugs...

Im impressed you've got so far with it TB  

Tho dont think it will be glowplugs causing the prob.....my old merc diesel used to start on the button in this weather......used to struggle a tad in winter....and that had 3 duff glowplugs....

Plus woulda thought tech2 would tell you about duff glowplugs.......if theres not a warning light on the dash like on old merc....telling you duff glowplug/s

Not sure BMW designers have the necessary intelliigence to be able to design something that warns drivers of such failures.

Well there easy to check anyway.......pull the plugs off em.....and shove a meter on them to ground.....open circuit there knackered.....i got 3 ohms to ground on my merc for good one  

Except, being designed by an imbeccile, all the rather intake has to come off to get to the little beggers.  .

Have I mentioned how much I hate BMW?

93500

General Discussion Area / Re: Project Tractor engine swap

« on: 19 August 2007, 20:34:23 »

Hows the fuel pump on the engine, is it worth using the old one

Do you know waht a PITA they are to change on old tractor engines?

No - only seeen new ones

runs of the chains, so all those covers off, cams/cranks locked, retiming afterwards...  

93501

General Discussion Area / Re: Project Tractor engine swap

« on: 19 August 2007, 20:32:28 »

Maybe a silly question but, Are all fuel lines sealed and not leaking otherwise air will get in to the system and give the appearance of running lumpy and missing..

They seem tight.  Those not familiar with this lump, there is a fuel line from the pump for each injector.  Did wonder about an airlock in on or 2, but it normally clears quickly in my experience.

93502

General Discussion Area / Re: Project Tractor engine swap

« on: 19 August 2007, 20:29:42 »

rather BMW.  I hate them. I really hate them. Why oh why oh why do you change the size of the pulleys you stupid people  .

Right, swapped the crank pulleys over, got belts on, all the inlet, turbo all connected, airbox on, rad and condensor all in, along with leccy fans, a/c all connected up, fuel pipes in, vac pipes possibly wrong.  Tunnie came round, so I let him do the gearbox loom and attach exhaust to turbo.

Ign on, then a quick Tech2.  Only engine code was an old 96 that I was getting (most likely due to the vac all being rubbish), so cleared that out.  So, ye of little faith, Omegatoy, the connectors must all be 'TheBoy proof' (except the one from the injector back to loom had a different connector - typical rather BMW, changing it for the hell of it  )


So, with everything done, it was time to start.

It starts (just), and runs (poorly), so that is a start.  It is most definately a misfire short of a full engine.  It needs throttle to help it start, it will idle (very lumpy) and won't rev beyonds 1500rpm.  It is noisy, and boy does it smoke - they is a huge soot mark on the drive behind it.

I think it is so close, just needs an expert to help me with the final step.

The final step - changing the burnt out valves in the new lump?  [smiley=evil.gif]

In all seriousness, if there's anything I can lend a hand with....

Any new codes since it's been run?

If not, I suspect the fault to be fuel related... managed to bleed it?

I've got a gut feeling about glow plugs...

Im impressed you've got so far with it TB  

Tho dont think it will be glowplugs causing the prob.....my old merc diesel used to start on the button in this weather......used to struggle a tad in winter....and that had 3 duff glowplugs....

Plus woulda thought tech2 would tell you about duff glowplugs.......if theres not a warning light on the dash like on old merc....telling you duff glowplug/s

Not sure BMW designers have the necessary intelliigence to be able to design something that warns drivers of such failures.

93503

General Discussion Area / Re: Project Tractor engine swap

« on: 19 August 2007, 20:25:15 »

Hows the fuel pump on the engine, is it worth using the old one

Do you know waht a PITA they are to change on old tractor engines?

93504

General Discussion Area / Re: Project Tractor engine swap

« on: 19 August 2007, 20:24:22 »

I tend to agree with James, did you purge/bleed the fuel system? Once it is running the glow plugs don't do anything :-/
Good luck, and i look forward to the continuing story

Its quite cold, so without glow plugs, you cant get the heat in to get that cylinder running.  The amount of dirty smoke leads me to think it is fuelling ok  :-/

93505

General Discussion Area / Re: Project Tractor engine swap

« on: 19 August 2007, 20:21:18 »

Once it's run a bit, glow plugs shouldn't make any odds?  :-/

If glow plugs don't work, you'll struggle to get that cylinder to fire....

93506

General Discussion Area / Re: Project Tractor engine swap

« on: 19 August 2007, 20:14:05 »

Oh, did get a 19 when it stalled, hasn't reoccured.  Don't think it is crank sensor, although that did take a beating yesterday.

93507

General Discussion Area / Re: Project Tractor engine swap

« on: 19 August 2007, 20:13:13 »

rather BMW.  I hate them. I really hate them. Why oh why oh why do you change the size of the pulleys you stupid people  .

Right, swapped the crank pulleys over, got belts on, all the inlet, turbo all connected, airbox on, rad and condensor all in, along with leccy fans, a/c all connected up, fuel pipes in, vac pipes possibly wrong.  Tunnie came round, so I let him do the gearbox loom and attach exhaust to turbo.

Ign on, then a quick Tech2.  Only engine code was an old 96 that I was getting (most likely due to the vac all being rubbish), so cleared that out.  So, ye of little faith, Omegatoy, the connectors must all be 'TheBoy proof' (except the one from the injector back to loom had a different connector - typical rather BMW, changing it for the hell of it  )


So, with everything done, it was time to start.

It starts (just), and runs (poorly), so that is a start.  It is most definately a misfire short of a full engine.  It needs throttle to help it start, it will idle (very lumpy) and won't rev beyonds 1500rpm.  It is noisy, and boy does it smoke - they is a huge soot mark on the drive behind it.

I think it is so close, just needs an expert to help me with the final step.

The final step - changing the burnt out valves in the new lump?  [smiley=evil.gif]

In all seriousness, if there's anything I can lend a hand with....

Any new codes since it's been run?

If not, I suspect the fault to be fuel related... managed to bleed it?

I've got a gut feeling about glow plugs...

93508

General Discussion Area / Re: Project Tractor engine swap

« on: 19 August 2007, 20:08:28 »

rather BMW.  I hate them. I really hate them. Why oh why oh why do you change the size of the pulleys you stupid people  .

Right, swapped the crank pulleys over, got belts on, all the inlet, turbo all connected, airbox on, rad and condensor all in, along with leccy fans, a/c all connected up, fuel pipes in, vac pipes possibly wrong.  Tunnie came round, so I let him do the gearbox loom and attach exhaust to turbo.

Ign on, then a quick Tech2.  Only engine code was an old 96 that I was getting (most likely due to the vac all being rubbish), so cleared that out.  So, ye of little faith, Omegatoy, the connectors must all be 'TheBoy proof' (except the one from the injector back to loom had a different connector - typical rather BMW, changing it for the hell of it  )


So, with everything done, it was time to start.

It starts (just), and runs (poorly), so that is a start.  It is most definately a misfire short of a full engine.  It needs throttle to help it start, it will idle (very lumpy) and won't rev beyonds 1500rpm.  It is noisy, and boy does it smoke - they is a huge soot mark on the drive behind it.

I think it is so close, just needs an expert to help me with the final step.

93509

General Discussion Area / Re: Project Tractor engine swap

« on: 19 August 2007, 13:46:39 »

Right, managed to get that barsteward loom that bolts to block in.  Oil cooler pipes on. PAS on (after retrieving bracket from old engine as the donor one had broken. A/C compressor back on, after swapping mounting brackets over (BMW saw fit to change the compressor design at some stage, bloody typical of them).  Driveplate to torque convertor bolts in, and torqued up. Starter motor in. Turbo to intercooler pipe.

So, lots of sensors to connect up, coolant hoses, gearbox wiring, HBV, vac pipes (these were all wrong before, so if anyone has a TD vac pipe layout, I need one!), electric fans, condensor, rad, exhaust, airbox, and all the intake stuff, and everything else I've forgotten.


Just chucked a couple of those burgers that I bought for bbq yesterday that never happened due to time weather. Bloody lovely.

Back out again in a minute once I've had a cuppa.

I would have joined you but, I had to fix the garage door which i broke.

Glad to say its all working now, although the door is a slightly different shape now!  

Just had a massive clearance in the garage too, so depending how this all goes, might pop down later to inspect progress  

I may need a 'gadget hand' to plug gearbox loom back in if you have a mo....

93510

General Discussion Area / Re: Project Tractor engine swap

« on: 19 August 2007, 13:40:58 »

Right, managed to get that barsteward loom that bolts to block in.  Oil cooler pipes on. PAS on (after retrieving bracket from old engine as the donor one had broken. A/C compressor back on, after swapping mounting brackets over (BMW saw fit to change the compressor design at some stage, bloody typical of them).  Driveplate to torque convertor bolts in, and torqued up. Starter motor in. Turbo to intercooler pipe.

So, lots of sensors to connect up, coolant hoses, gearbox wiring, HBV, vac pipes (these were all wrong before, so if anyone has a TD vac pipe layout, I need one!), electric fans, condensor, rad, exhaust, airbox, and all the intake stuff, and everything else I've forgotten.


Just chucked a couple of those burgers that I bought for bbq yesterday that never happened due to time weather. Bloody lovely.

Back out again in a minute once I've had a cuppa.