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[biggriffin]

So the Americans have used a big bomb to drop on them Isis types, claiming all sorts of "god bless America" and how good there boffins are at developing such an "awesome weapon"
https://www.google.co.uk/url?q=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4409964/All-need-know-Mother-Bombs.html&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwj6kb6tuKPTAhVD6RQKHU-WD3cQFggUMAM&usg=AFQjCNGgi0jo6C16JFk6QIWnUhOHaHTT7w

Now if my history serves me right didn't a chap called Barnes Wallis invente a bomb called the grand slam that was used to good effect on a boat called the the Tirpitz.
Some. 70 years before them Americans, we got there 1st.
Keep up America.

[Lincs Robert]

So the Americans have used a big bomb to drop on them Isis types, claiming all sorts of "god bless America" and how good there boffins are at developing such an "awesome weapon"
https://www.google.co.uk/url?q=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4409964/All-need-know-Mother-Bombs.html&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwj6kb6tuKPTAhVD6RQKHU-WD3cQFggUMAM&usg=AFQjCNGgi0jo6C16JFk6QIWnUhOHaHTT7w

Now if my history serves me right didn't a chap called Barnes Wallis invente a bomb called the grand slam that was used to good effect on a boat called the the Tirpitz.
Some. 70 years before them Americans, we got there 1st.
Keep up America.

Yes, ours was a tad heavier @ 22,000lbs & dropped from under a Lancaster.

[biggriffin]

So the Americans have used a big bomb to drop on them Isis types, claiming all sorts of "god bless America" and how good there boffins are at developing such an "awesome weapon"
https://www.google.co.uk/url?q=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4409964/All-need-know-Mother-Bombs.html&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwj6kb6tuKPTAhVD6RQKHU-WD3cQFggUMAM&usg=AFQjCNGgi0jo6C16JFk6QIWnUhOHaHTT7w

Now if my history serves me right didn't a chap called Barnes Wallis invente a bomb called the grand slam that was used to good effect on a boat called the the Tirpitz.
Some. 70 years before them Americans, we got there 1st.
Keep up America.

Yes, ours was a tad heavier @ 22,000lbs & dropped from under a Lancaster.

So were still beating them. Na na nana.
So basically they carried a 70year old British designed bomb, with a HUGH big Jet plane,.

When they could have just borrowed a proper bomber+bomb from us. Stupid Americans.

[Sir Tigger KC]

I bet Uncle STEMO drops a bigger bomb every morning! 

[Lizzie Zoom]

I have covered this in the "Syria" thread.

Yes, there was the Barnes Wallis series of "Earthquake bombs".  The first was "Tall Boy", 12,000lb, and the type used, amoungst other targets, to sink the German battleship Tirpitz and destroy the main V1 and V2 production facility at La Coupole.  The second was the "Grand Slam", a 22,000lb monster, used also to destroy the Tirpitz, and the U boat pens, railway tunnels such as the Saumur Tunnel, on the main railway line down to Normandy, and Viaducts. They were designed to drop at supersonic speed from a Lancaster, usually of 617 Squadron, The Dambusters, and bury deep through concrete and steel into the ground beneath the target and then detonate with massive, earthquake type movements in the surrounding rock and soil.

A highly effective conventional weapon that can still be used to this day, as the Americans have just proved with their "Mother of all bombs" version.

[BazaJT]

From the footage shown on the news this morning they chucked it on a pallet out the back of a transport aircraft.Was this just footage of a test drop during development or do they not have a bomber capable of carrying/delivering it?Apparently they killed 36 IS fighters with it which I suppose could be counted as a bonus as I believe the main idea was to blow the tunnels they use.

[Sir Tigger KC]

At a reported cost of £13 million a pop, it's an expensive way of offing a few ragtag militiamen or sending a message to Mr Kim! 

I wonder what the cost of a first class stamp is, for a letter from Washington to Pyongyang?     

[Rods2]

MOAB is a blast bomb and is very different design and for a very different use to the WWII Tallboys and Grandslams. The US equivalent to the Grandslam is the 30,000lb GBU-57B MOP.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massive_Ordnance_Penetrator

There are also nuclear versions of this type of bomb to create even bigger 'earthquakes'.

[Lizzie Zoom]

MOAB is a blast bomb and is very different design and for a very different use to the WWII Tallboys and Grandslams. The US equivalent to the Grandslam is the 30,000lb GBU-57B MOP.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massive_Ordnance_Penetrator

There are also nuclear versions of this type of bomb to create even bigger 'earthquakes'.

It is a blast bomb, but it had the same effect as the earthquake bombs; it destroyed underground facilities.

In addition this was a good example of a strategic attack AND a "statement" by the US to other nations, like North Korea.  It has had a dramatic effect already in both fields. 

[78bex]

heard pundits talkin about this weapon on the radio this morning.
One expert refered to  extensive mine fields sown around the command bunkers & caves
I assume the MOAB cleared a way into the area for the allies 

[Rods2]

MOAB is a blast bomb and is very different design and for a very different use to the WWII Tallboys and Grandslams. The US equivalent to the Grandslam is the 30,000lb GBU-57B MOP.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massive_Ordnance_Penetrator

There are also nuclear versions of this type of bomb to create even bigger 'earthquakes'.

It is a blast bomb, but it had the same effect as the earthquake bombs; it destroyed underground facilities.

In addition this was a good example of a strategic attack AND a "statement" by the US to other nations, like North Korea.  It has had a dramatic effect already in both fields. 

Totally agree, the US is back into the geopolitical arena with a big stick, much like Reagan was after peanut farmer Carter. Military force = political will * Means. If either is zero, like political will was under Obummer, this can quickly change if you have big Means, and the US with a $550bn defense budget (reduced by Obummer from $600bn) has. A few bad global actors need straightening out a bit and to wind their necks in now there is a new Sheriff back on the global stage, who is not afraid to use his 'Colt 45'. Trump's mental instability (like Tricky Dickies at the end of his presidency) is worrying, but the US has been there before and wiser council will be between him and his actions, including the 'big red button', this is thankfully because of their long history of strong democracy and institutions with their checks and balances, this is how strong democracies work.

Democracies are slow and cumbersome because we have wisely found out that collective brain power with different views and experiences generally make better decisions over a despot dictator's one brain who can quickly be either occasionally very right or mostly very wrong (Putin is a good example, especially with his invasion of East Ukraine). Hitler is an even better example of this which is why Churchill decided not to use decapitation as Hitler was the German's worst enemy! In the East his policy of not giving an inch of territory was particularly disastrous, along with the drugged up fantasist Goring thinking he could supply trapped armies from the air!

A big problem for the West is that Russia did not lose WWII and we need to contain their dysfunctional arrogance, without causing a nuclear war. Russia is especially dangerous (like North Korea) as they are both failed states with building internal pressures. Russia is suffering major industrial unrest (largely through non-payment of wages) but also political like the recent demonstrations have shown. What is especially dangerous is that Putin has placed his administration on eternal geopolitical expansion and success due to his economic failings, which his dysfunction state can't recover from, but now he can't afford to lose geopolitically.

We are in especially dangerous times, especially with a new mentally unstable sheriff in town!!!

[Lizzie Zoom]

MOAB is a blast bomb and is very different design and for a very different use to the WWII Tallboys and Grandslams. The US equivalent to the Grandslam is the 30,000lb GBU-57B MOP.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massive_Ordnance_Penetrator

There are also nuclear versions of this type of bomb to create even bigger 'earthquakes'.

It is a blast bomb, but it had the same effect as the earthquake bombs; it destroyed underground facilities.

In addition this was a good example of a strategic attack AND a "statement" by the US to other nations, like North Korea.  It has had a dramatic effect already in both fields. 

Totally agree, the US is back into the geopolitical arena with a big stick, much like Reagan was after peanut farmer Carter. Military force = political will * Means. If either is zero, like political will was under Obummer, this can quickly change if you have big Means, and the US with a $550bn defense budget (reduced by Obummer from $600bn) has. A few bad global actors need straightening out a bit and to wind their necks in now there is a new Sheriff back on the global stage, who is not afraid to use his 'Colt 45'. Trump's mental instability (like Tricky Dickies at the end of his presidency) is worrying, but the US has been there before and wiser council will be between him and his actions, including the 'big red button', this is thankfully because of their long history of strong democracy and institutions with their checks and balances, this is how strong democracies work.

Democracies are slow and cumbersome because we have wisely found out that collective brain power with different views and experiences generally make better decisions over a despot dictator's one brain who can quickly be either occasionally very right or mostly very wrong (Putin is a good example, especially with his invasion of East Ukraine). Hitler is an even better example of this which is why Churchill decided not to use decapitation as Hitler was the German's worst enemy! In the East his policy of not giving an inch of territory was particularly disastrous, along with the drugged up fantasist Goring thinking he could supply trapped armies from the air!

A big problem for the West is that Russia did not lose WWII and we need to contain their dysfunctional arrogance, without causing a nuclear war. Russia is especially dangerous (like North Korea) as they are both failed states with building internal pressures. Russia is suffering major industrial unrest (largely through non-payment of wages) but also political like the recent demonstrations have shown. What is especially dangerous is that Putin has placed his administration on eternal geopolitical expansion and success due to his economic failings, which his dysfunction state can't recover from, but now he can't afford to lose geopolitically.

We are in especially dangerous times, especially with a new mentally unstable sheriff in town!!!

Indeed.  Churchill shelved a great plan to assassinate Hitler, Operation Foxley, that by all accounts and assessments could have succeeded, in 1944 as Hitler was, as you say, Germany's worst enemy making disastrous command decisions, against his Generals advice.

That final statement of yours just about sums it all up.  Trump, who I am warming to more and more after being a big critic of him, is undoubtedly like an unguided, out of control, nuclear missile that could either protect or destroy us all!

[STEMO]

Kim Yong Un, Trump and Putin........what could possibly go wrong?

[Lizzie Zoom]

Kim Yong Un, Trump and Putin........what could possibly go wrong?

Yeah,  (I don't normally swear, but)  a right f.cking melting pot for disaster!!

[Rods2]

Trump's 'gunboat diplomacy' is putting pressure on China to act on North Korea.

http://maritime-executive.com/article/carrier-strike-group-puts-new-pressure-on-north-korea