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Re: Catalonia
« Reply #30 on: 05 October 2017, 00:38:47 »

Well, he,s certainly sorted the Middle East problem----- NOT :D
Well, he lives upto his role... he idiot do anything worthwhile... idiot by name, idiot by nature ::)
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Re: Catalonia
« Reply #31 on: 05 October 2017, 14:55:37 »

Interesting article in the telegraph the other day about banking rules and openess in Andorra ending this December.

There's more to this independence milarkey than meets the eye. We are all watching the right hand and talking about illegal referendums and constitutions and the heavy-handed approach by the Guardia Mossos were restrained to the point of inaction which is why the Head of Mossos may be charged with dereliction of duty or some such nonsense but no one is talking about what the left hand is doing. It's about covering up huge corruption and keeping politicians and their cronies out of prison.

By the same token, an independent Catalunia wouldn't be crying out for EU membership and the resulting financial transparency. having said that I posted a week or so back about the ERES scandal where 3/4 billion EU euros were sytemically syphoned off. Not a cent has been recovered nor a single person cahrged after 5 years of investigation. The Eu should have asked for our money back - that might have focussed minds.

Perhaps the Catalans are being used?
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Re: Catalonia
« Reply #32 on: 05 October 2017, 23:13:05 »

Perhaps. Anything is possible where European politics are concerned.
A few days ago, the EU parliament voted through a motion to not hold any trade talks with the UK until sufficient progress on other issues has been made.
Its bad enough (treasonous imo) that British Labour, Plaid and green MEP,s voted with the others against their own country, but two Tory MEP,s also voted against their own country, government and party.
You couldn't make it up !
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Re: Catalonia
« Reply #33 on: 06 October 2017, 17:00:49 »

Perhaps. Anything is possible where European politics are concerned.
A few days ago, the EU parliament voted through a motion to not hold any trade talks with the UK until sufficient progress on other issues has been made.
Its bad enough (treasonous imo) that British Labour, Plaid and green MEP,s voted with the others against their own country, but two Tory MEP,s also voted against their own country, government and party.
You couldn't make it up !

Specifically, Eurocrat pensions, so vested interests perhaps!!! >:( >:( >:(
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Re: Catalonia
« Reply #34 on: 10 October 2017, 18:57:10 »

Can kicked down the road a little.

i would have loved to have been a fly on the wall before the Speech tonight. Who rang him and what was said.?
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Re: Catalonia
« Reply #35 on: 10 October 2017, 19:46:45 »

Slightly different subject Varche, but I thought of you today while wandering around the local Homebase garden centre.
They had Olive trees for sale, around 7ft tall - for 500 each !!
Might be worth bringing one back each time you visit !  :o
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Re: Catalonia
« Reply #36 on: 11 October 2017, 14:28:15 »

Thought of it times. A 3 foot high young tree is 1.20 euro in our local nursery. Each one actually has a small log at its base. the roots sprout out of the log part.

We have taken two trees back to the Uk. Both are doing well and one has borne fruit the last two years. Needs a lot of prep though before you can actually eat an olive.

Won't be many years before you can grow bananas in your Uk garden and visit new deserts here for your holidays. :o
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Re: Catalonia
« Reply #37 on: 11 October 2017, 14:57:53 »

Perhaps. Anything is possible where European politics are concerned.
A few days ago, the EU parliament voted through a motion to not hold any trade talks with the UK until sufficient progress on other issues has been made.
Its bad enough (treasonous imo) that British Labour, Plaid and green MEP,s voted with the others against their own country, but two Tory MEP,s also voted against their own country, government and party.
You couldn't make it up !

One of those voted as per his constituency....so I have zero issues with that (Ken Clarke for Rushcliffe)
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Re: Catalonia
« Reply #38 on: 11 October 2017, 16:28:50 »

It wasnt Old Ken. He isn't an MEP.  ;)...............I actually doubt even he would vote with 27 other countries to prevent the UK being allowed to talk about future trade. Although he did once say that he looked forward to the day that Westminster is no more than a glorified council chamber.
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Re: Catalonia
« Reply #39 on: 11 October 2017, 16:51:44 »

Perhaps. Anything is possible where European politics are concerned.
A few days ago, the EU parliament voted through a motion to not hold any trade talks with the UK until sufficient progress on other issues has been made.

Its bad enough (treasonous imo) that British Labour, Plaid and green MEP,s voted with the others against their own country, but two Tory MEP,s also voted against their own country, government and party.
You couldn't make it up !

And herein lies the problem.

It is the EU that dictates the speed and direction of negotiations. It is they that set the agenda. It is they that seem to have the whip hand. :-\



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Re: Catalonia
« Reply #40 on: 11 October 2017, 17:22:00 »

And herein lies the problem.

It is the EU that dictates the speed and direction of negotiations. It is they that set the agenda. It is they that seem to have the whip hand. :-\

Then it's not a negotiation at all. It's a bit like me coming to buy a nice Jaguar from your good self and for you to say: "well, I filled it up with petrol last week and there's still half a tank in it. Before we talk about the car, I want 500 for the petrol that's in it." There may well be a good deal to be had, but only an idiot would agree in advance to buying an overpriced half tank of petrol that's inseparable from a car that he may or may not want to drive away in once the deal is done.

Negotiation is about lumping together items of interest and then striking a deal for the package, not stating your (ridiculous) demands then administering a gallic shrug in response when they are countered. ::)
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Re: Catalonia
« Reply #41 on: 11 October 2017, 18:31:26 »

An excellent comparison Kevin.  :y
I suspect the EU have one of two objectives.
1. Make it completely impossible for the UK to do a deal, knowing that the mindset has already been established here, that no deal is a fate worse than death, so the usual suspects will be screaming from the rooftops that we cant leave at all, and the incompetent Govt. must stand down immediately.
2. Be as obstructive as possible, until the very last minute, and then do a deal.

The problem they have is that they don't want us to have a deal which is anywhere near comparable to being a member, but if we just leave and revert to WTO rules, in reality, that is nothing like the end of the world scenario, we are being told it is, at the present time.
They may be kicking their heels and dragging it out, hoping some unforeseen events, drop the answer to the problem into their lap ?  :-\
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Re: Catalonia
« Reply #42 on: 11 October 2017, 18:44:32 »

An excellent comparison Kevin.  :y
I suspect the EU have one of two objectives.
1. Make it completely impossible for the UK to do a deal, knowing that the mindset has already been established here, that no deal is a fate worse than death, so the usual suspects will be screaming from the rooftops that we cant leave at all, and the incompetent Govt. must stand down immediately.
2. Be as obstructive as possible, until the very last minute, and then do a deal.

The problem they have is that they don't want us to have a deal which is anywhere near comparable to being a member, but if we just leave and revert to WTO rules, in reality, that is nothing like the end of the world scenario, we are being told it is, at the present time.
They may be kicking their heels and dragging it out, hoping some unforeseen events, drop the answer to the problem into their lap ?  :-\

You 'may' be right. Impossible to tell unless the scenario actually plays out.

Paying billions to the EU and then still being under the control of the ECJ from 2019 is not what people voted for. :(
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Re: Catalonia
« Reply #43 on: 11 October 2017, 18:53:03 »

You know that and I know that, but the species who inhabit the Westminster bubble only know what will or wont prolong OR ADVANCE their careers.
Afaik, the EU (which currently includes us) trades with most of the world under WTO rules, because they don't currently have trade agreements with them. I'm willing to be corrected on this, but that's how I understand it.  :-\
If that is the case, where is the big argument against doing the same thing after we leave ? Bearing in mind, we have a big trade deficit in our favour in trade with the EU.
We also have the much neglected Commonwealth and the wider world to deal with.
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Re: Catalonia
« Reply #44 on: 11 October 2017, 19:00:30 »

Meanwhile, it looks like the pen pushers in Brussels might actually all but outlaw motorsport in the EU. ;D
Of course, at some point Angela will make a phone call and inform them that this stuff is pretty important to Mercedes BMW, VAG as well as almost every other manufacturer in Europe. ::)
https://www.autosport.com/national/news/132349/insurance-law-could-close-motorsport-in-eu

D1ckheads.   :D
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