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Re: Catalonia
« Reply #45 on: 11 October 2017, 20:18:21 »

To me, the main reason Brussels are being so negative to our "negotiations", is that if we get too good a deal, (as far as they are concerned), then other nations will likely rush to quit their un-democratic little club.
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Re: Catalonia
« Reply #46 on: 11 October 2017, 23:07:15 »

You know that and I know that, but the species who inhabit the Westminster bubble only know what will or wont prolong OR ADVANCE their careers.
Afaik, the EU (which currently includes us) trades with most of the world under WTO rules, because they don't currently have trade agreements with them. I'm willing to be corrected on this, but that's how I understand it.  :-\
If that is the case, where is the big argument against doing the same thing after we leave ? Bearing in mind, we have a big trade deficit in our favour in trade with the EU.
We also have the much neglected Commonwealth and the wider world to deal with.

Interesting article on bbc websiteabout WTO members objecting pre emptively on the EU/britain post leaving proposal re allocation of quotas. Sadlyit isthevery countries we are hoping to have deals with! Cant post the link at moment.

Meanwhile back on Catalonia. The hot story is that Madrid intends putting in an own man to run Catalonia and remove Puidgemont.atthe moment we are all waining for Puidgemont to confirm the statis of independence! By Monday.
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Re: Catalonia
« Reply #47 on: 11 October 2017, 23:25:51 »

Sounds like the most inflammatory course of action they could possibly dream up.  :o
Imagine Theresa May abolishing the Scottish assembly and sending Jacob Rees- Mogg up there to run things for her.  ;D
I'm sure he would do a good job though and they would grow to like him - eventually.  :D
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Re: Catalonia
« Reply #48 on: 11 October 2017, 23:46:50 »

Well precedents have been set for such actions in the past in loads of countries. Of course now we are supposed to be democratic.

The bottom line with this Catalunian referendum is it wasnt legal in the first place and secondly it wasnt carried out with due diligence etc. E.g. did people vote more than once.

It can only end one way.lets hope there are no fatalities.
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Re: Catalonia
« Reply #49 on: 16 October 2017, 23:17:57 »

Couple of party leaders held in jail prior to sedition charges which carry up to ten years in prison sentences.

Not good at all.
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Re: Catalonia
« Reply #50 on: 17 October 2017, 12:27:54 »

Interesting view from an anonamous  contributor on another forum. Could well be true

"Catalonia and with it Spain is facing a rebellion of the most venal and caitiff oligarchy, an insurrection of the feudal Lords and rapacious families that have created and fabricated a racist state inside the state with the help and connivance of the rest of the Spanish oligarchy. The calls for democracy and socialism from the ideological representatives of this conservative elite, can only ring hollow and ridiculous in the face of the most brazen and disgraceful plundering and blackmailing scandals in the history of Spain and even the world. Like they did in the past, in the 1930’s in particular, the nationalist oligarchy of Spain is dragging the whole country to a Civil War for seflfish purposes, a Civil War in which they were the first to divide the forces of democracy and the first to abandon the fight and surrender to Franco. The last shameful days of faintheartedness and pusillanimity, in which the infamous and long awaited ‘Declaration of Independence’ was dodged, demonstrates that we are not facing a romantic revolution and a struggle for freedom, democracy and justice of a determined, exploited and brutalised people, but the fearful and dastardly behaviour of an elite that can only obtain its subversive aims through the conspiratorial arts of treason, intrigue and sedition."
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Re: Catalonia
« Reply #51 on: 17 October 2017, 13:19:40 »

There are several major changes over the last 10-30years that are having a profound effect on Global society but even more so on European society due to EU policies.

1. Globalization has lead to winners and losers. Winners the poverty levels in 2nd and 3rd world countries have been massively reduced and earnings of 1st world graduates, especially in the creative industries have risen massively. The big losers are those with lower than degree level qualifications with wages for skilled and semi-skilled at minimum wage level with minimum benefits where most higher paid manufacturing jobs have been automated or relocated abroad. AI over the next 10 years is going to have profound effects on society and employment.
2. Internet with globalization has been very disruptive with competition, margins and prices all being much more competitive.
3. EU Dictatorship which is about the elites at the expense of the ignored little people.
4. Euro is half a currency which is focused on Greman financial Hegemony especially at the expense of France and the PIIGS.
5. Wide generation gap. The Smartphone generation thinks and behave completely differently to previous generations and are much more self-centred and isolated which is causing major problems with increasing depression and suicide rates in the young.
6. The rise of the elites in all 1st world countries at the expense of everybody else, especially the financial elites from 2008 with loose money, QE and ZIRP causing massive asset price inflation, but due to competition little other inflation. This is pricing housing beyond the reach of the young.
7. The rise and aggression of the dictators especially from the axis of evil: Russia, China, Iran and DRPK.
8. Religious fundamentalism which is primarily an Islamic problem, but does also apply to other religions including Christian zealots in Isreal and USA.

Where these many toxic combinations are going to end up as society adjusts and changes I don't think anybody knows and it may not be a good place for too many people. :( :( :(
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Re: Catalonia
« Reply #52 on: 17 October 2017, 13:44:49 »

Christians in Israel ?  ???
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Re: Catalonia
« Reply #53 on: 17 October 2017, 13:52:10 »

There are several major changes over the last 10-30years that are having a profound effect on Global society but even more so on European society due to EU policies.

1. Globalization has lead to winners and losers. Winners the poverty levels in 2nd and 3rd world countries have been massively reduced and earnings of 1st world graduates, especially in the creative industries have risen massively. The big losers are those with lower than degree level qualifications with wages for skilled and semi-skilled at minimum wage level with minimum benefits where most higher paid manufacturing jobs have been automated or relocated abroad. AI over the next 10 years is going to have profound effects on society and employment.
2. Internet with globalization has been very disruptive with competition, margins and prices all being much more competitive.
3. EU Dictatorship which is about the elites at the expense of the ignored little people.
4. Euro is half a currency which is focused on Greman financial Hegemony especially at the expense of France and the PIIGS.
5. Wide generation gap. The Smartphone generation thinks and behave completely differently to previous generations and are much more self-centred and isolated which is causing major problems with increasing depression and suicide rates in the young.
6. The rise of the elites in all 1st world countries at the expense of everybody else, especially the financial elites from 2008 with loose money, QE and ZIRP causing massive asset price inflation, but due to competition little other inflation. This is pricing housing beyond the reach of the young.
7. The rise and aggression of the dictators especially from the axis of evil: Russia, China, Iran and DRPK.
8. Religious fundamentalism which is primarily an Islamic problem, but does also apply to other religions including Christian zealots in Isreal and USA.

Where these many toxic combinations are going to end up as society adjusts and changes I don't think anybody knows and it may not be a good place for too many people. :( :( :(

yes there is an irony that 100 years ago the Russians were busy getting rid of the all powerful czar and now they have voted in another one.
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Re: Catalonia
« Reply #54 on: 27 October 2017, 18:03:01 »

Things are getting interesting  :)
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Re: Catalonia
« Reply #55 on: 27 October 2017, 18:20:28 »

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Re: Catalonia
« Reply #56 on: 27 October 2017, 22:31:06 »

Just read that Rajoy has sacked the entire Catalonian  cabinet. Whats next?  :-\
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Re: Catalonia
« Reply #57 on: 27 October 2017, 23:05:18 »

Good question.

Not good times for people of Spain.
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Re: Catalonia
« Reply #58 on: 27 October 2017, 23:06:52 »

I think its going to get messy.  ::)
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Re: Catalonia
« Reply #59 on: 28 October 2017, 02:20:58 »

I think its going to get messy.  ::)

I agree, the UN charter position on the right to self-determination is clashing head-on with the EU dictatorship of weakening countries into regions, who are now revolting. Like Albs, Migv6 has said, this is going to get very, very messy. :(

Luckily, the UK has triggered Article 50 so not our problem. :y
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