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Re: Catalonia
« Reply #60 on: 28 October 2017, 10:38:04 »

Just read that Rajoy has sacked the entire Catalonian  cabinet. Whats next?  :-\
It was the only sensible outcome. If the devolved parliament can not obey the laws, it has to be abolished.

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Re: Catalonia
« Reply #61 on: 28 October 2017, 10:54:16 »

I think its going to get messy.  ::)

I agree, the UN charter position on the right to self-determination is clashing head-on with the EU dictatorship of weakening countries into regions, who are now revolting. Like Albs, Migv6 has said, this is going to get very, very messy. :(

Luckily, the UK has triggered Article 50 so not our problem. :y

Don't you believe it.  This could turn into a European problem, not just a problem for the EU as the two arn't mutually exclusive.  ;)

Who would have thought that an assignation in Sarejavo would lead to the terrible events that it did?  :(
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Re: Catalonia
« Reply #62 on: 28 October 2017, 11:30:06 »

I think its going to get messy.  ::)

I agree, the UN charter position on the right to self-determination is clashing head-on with the EU dictatorship of weakening countries into regions, who are now revolting. Like Albs, Migv6 has said, this is going to get very, very messy. :(

Luckily, the UK has triggered Article 50 so not our problem. :y

Don't you believe it.  This could turn into a European problem, not just a problem for the EU as the two arn't mutually exclusive.  ;)

Who would have thought that an assignation assassination in Sarejavo would lead to the terrible events that it did?  :(

Ooops!  ;D
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Re: Catalonia
« Reply #63 on: 28 October 2017, 14:41:33 »

I think its going to get messy.  ::)

I agree, the UN charter position on the right to self-determination is clashing head-on with the EU dictatorship of weakening countries into regions, who are now revolting. Like Albs, Migv6 has said, this is going to get very, very messy. :(

Luckily, the UK has triggered Article 50 so not our problem. :y

Don't you believe it.  This could turn into a European problem, not just a problem for the EU as the two arn't mutually exclusive.  ;)

Who would have thought that an assignation assassination in Sarejavo would lead to the terrible events that it did?  :(

Ooops!  ;D
That's was the initial reaction then too ;D
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Re: Catalonia
« Reply #64 on: 28 October 2017, 16:29:25 »

I think its going to get messy.  ::)

I agree, the UN charter position on the right to self-determination is clashing head-on with the EU dictatorship of weakening countries into regions, who are now revolting. Like Albs, Migv6 has said, this is going to get very, very messy. :(

Luckily, the UK has triggered Article 50 so not our problem. :y

Don't you believe it.  This could turn into a European problem, not just a problem for the EU as the two arn't mutually exclusive.  ;)

Who would have thought that an assignation in Sarejavo would lead to the terrible events that it did?  :(

Yes, any excuse for a bloody good war! :o :o
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Re: Catalonia
« Reply #65 on: 29 October 2017, 18:48:02 »

Looking at the size of the pro Spain turnout today it seems that the forthcoming election will be a very close run thing.
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Re: Catalonia
« Reply #66 on: 30 October 2017, 23:32:46 »

Apparently Carles Puigdemont the erstwhile President of Catalonia has decamped to Belgium rather than face the music for his actions in Spain.

I wonder if Spain can issue a European Arrest Warrant for him?  :-\  And if they can or do, how will Belgium respond?  ::)

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Re: Catalonia
« Reply #67 on: 02 November 2017, 17:52:51 »

Eight former Catalan ministers were remanded into custody today by a High Court Judge, on charges of rebellion, sedition, and misuse of public funds.  European Arrest Warrants have been requested for Puigdemont and four other ex Catalan ministers that did not show up in court today.

Assuming that Puigdemont is in Brussels, I wonder if the Belgian police will go round and nick him.  :-\
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Re: Catalonia
« Reply #68 on: 05 November 2017, 20:23:45 »

No need... All handed themselves in just now :y
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Re: Catalonia
« Reply #69 on: 05 November 2017, 20:38:56 »

Now the Belgians have to decide whether to extradite them back to Spain or not.  :)
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Re: Catalonia
« Reply #70 on: 05 November 2017, 21:09:52 »

As I understand it there is no choice. The European arrest warrant is binding on all member countries.
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Re: Catalonia
« Reply #71 on: 05 November 2017, 21:14:26 »

As I understand it there is no choice. The European arrest warrant is binding on all member countries.

Not quite ....

"A country can reject an EU arrest warrant if it fears that extradition would violate the suspect's human rights.

Discrimination based on politics, religion or race is grounds for refusal. So are fears that the suspect would not get a fair trial.

There is an agreed EU list of 32 offences - in Article Two of the European Arrest Warrant law - for which there is no requirement for the offence to be a crime in both countries. In other words, any of those offences can be a justification for extradition, provided the penalty is at least three years in jail.

However, neither "sedition" nor "rebellion" - two of the charges levelled against the Catalan leaders - are on that list."


It "could" be argued that an arrest would be would amount to discrimination based on politics .......

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Re: Catalonia
« Reply #72 on: 05 November 2017, 21:22:19 »

Kind of contradicts the fact that all signatory countries are also signatories of and bound by the human rights act as far as I know.  :-\
That's the legal system for you I suppose.
Whatever the legal ins & outs, I would imagine the legal system in Belgium will support the Spanish side of things, as the EU have enough troubles to contend with and would like to put this one back in its box.
We shall see.
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Re: Catalonia
« Reply #73 on: 05 November 2017, 22:41:40 »

It's a decision for the Belgian government or judiciary, not the EU.  ;)
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Re: Catalonia
« Reply #74 on: 05 November 2017, 23:04:51 »

Which of course are all completely separate, independent and completely immune from influence by others.  ::)
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