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[redelitev6]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42829783 he'll be out before he's 20 ! just goes to show how cheaply human life is thought of by our justice system 

[deviator]

4 years is a life time when you are that age.

[STEMO]

His victims were complicit.

[Gaffers]

If it was a cyclist he had killed, he would have been handed a whole 250 hours of unpaid community service.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Taking all of the above into account, I still think its outrageous. No justification for that light a sentence when 5 people are dead.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

What I want to know is why were two 24 year old men in a car with a bunch of kids.......and why they didn't appear to be in charge.

[Mr Gav]

What I want to know is why were two 24 year old men in a car with a bunch of kids.......and why they didn't appear to be in charge.

When it first came on the local news it was thought that the men were pedestrians but as the facts were uncovered it turned out they were also in the car, as like you I question why two men were in with them. I still don`t know why 

TBH it wouldn`t have been a loss if they had all died, it`s lucky no one else was caught up in it.

[annihilator]

As usual the driver always seems to come away relatively uninjured whilst killing the not so and the innocent, he apparently was stopped from running away from the scene.

[redelitev6]

I suppose he'll have to face the families of the dead when he's released , might get some rough justice then ?
Then this guy gets 7 years for killing a toe rag on a motor bike http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-42833580

[ronnyd]

Couple of youngsters have been riding an old bike around our estate, ( not street legal, no lights or licence plate and no lids either), sometimes in daylight but mostly after dark until quite late at times. Had a concerted police presence a couple of weeks ago but obviously no joy as they were out again the following day. Must have been found out now as haven,t heard anything for a few days now.

[TheBoy]

5 less thieving scum in the world. Surely he is to be congratulated?

Then shot in front of his family. Actually, shoot the family as well, as scum breds scum.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

5 less thieving scum in the world. Surely he is to be congratulated?

Then shot in front of his family. Actually, shoot the family as well, as scum breds scum.

Just like that Albitz fella........ becoming more of a wishy-washy liberal with each passing day.

[Lizzie Zoom]

5 less thieving scum in the world. Surely he is to be congratulated?

Then shot in front of his family. Actually, shoot the family as well, as scum breds scum.

A bit of a harsh and thoughtless thing to say on Holocaust Day TB, even as a joke

[ronnyd]

5 less thieving scum in the world. Surely he is to be congratulated?

Then shot in front of his family. Actually, shoot the family as well, as scum breds scum.

A bit of a harsh and thoughtless thing to say on Holocaust Day TB, even as a joke

Wonder how many people know that Lizzie, apart from the PC BBC putting The Diary of Anne Frank on BBC2.

[STEMO]

5 less thieving scum in the world. Surely he is to be congratulated?

Then shot in front of his family. Actually, shoot the family as well, as scum breds scum.

A bit of a harsh and thoughtless thing to say on Holocaust Day TB, even as a joke

What has TB’s post got to do with the holocaust? 

[Sir Tigger KC]

5 less thieving scum in the world. Surely he is to be congratulated?

Then shot in front of his family. Actually, shoot the family as well, as scum breds scum.

A bit of a harsh and thoughtless thing to say on Holocaust Day TB, even as a joke

What has TB’s post got to do with the holocaust? 

Don't know, but let's all clamber on the outrage bus!   

[STEMO]

5 less thieving scum in the world. Surely he is to be congratulated?

Then shot in front of his family. Actually, shoot the family as well, as scum breds scum.

A bit of a harsh and thoughtless thing to say on Holocaust Day TB, even as a joke

What has TB’s post got to do with the holocaust? 

Don't know, but let's all clamber on the outrage bus!   

You won’t get on, it’s always full.

[minifreek]

Who else knew it was holocaust day...?

That lad basically got away with murder.... but was charged with manslaughter, fleeing the scene of an accident and death by dangerous driving. Speeding was never mentioned as a charge, it was only hearsay and not fact... it was calculated that they hit a tree at and estimate of 80MPH...

The sentence he got was possibly the maximum he could get because of his age, but he did get 9 years but will only serve 4 1/2, probably be let out and not have to face the family, his name will be changed and relocate with his family to a different part of the country, like James Bulgers killers got, even though 'John Venables' is back in jail again for child porn....again....

[Lizzie Zoom]

5 less thieving scum in the world. Surely he is to be congratulated?

Then shot in front of his family. Actually, shoot the family as well, as scum breds scum.

A bit of a harsh and thoughtless thing to say on Holocaust Day TB, even as a joke

Wonder how many people know that Lizzie, apart from the PC BBC putting The Diary of Anne Frank on BBC2.

A lot of people!

[Lizzie Zoom]

5 less thieving scum in the world. Surely he is to be congratulated?

Then shot in front of his family. Actually, shoot the family as well, as scum breds scum.

A bit of a harsh and thoughtless thing to say on Holocaust Day TB, even as a joke

What has TB’s post got to do with the holocaust?

If I have to explain that............clue; shooting a whole family of a certain type not thought to be worthy of life in our state..........!!!! That is exactly what the Nazis did, and some states are doing now!

[Lizzie Zoom]

5 less thieving scum in the world. Surely he is to be congratulated?

Then shot in front of his family. Actually, shoot the family as well, as scum breds scum.

A bit of a harsh and thoughtless thing to say on Holocaust Day TB, even as a joke

What has TB’s post got to do with the holocaust? 

Don't know, but let's all clamber on the outrage bus!  

Not at all Sir Tigger.  It is just a question of taste and sensitivity.

[Lizzie Zoom]

Who else knew it was holocaust day...?

That lad basically got away with murder.... but was charged with manslaughter, fleeing the scene of an accident and death by dangerous driving. Speeding was never mentioned as a charge, it was only hearsay and not fact... it was calculated that they hit a tree at and estimate of 80MPH...

The sentence he got was possibly the maximum he could get because of his age, but he did get 9 years but will only serve 4 1/2, probably be let out and not have to face the family, his name will be changed and relocate with his family to a different part of the country, like James Bulgers killers got, even though 'John Venables' is back in jail again for child porn....again....

If people have any idea about history, life, and how ethnic cleansing is still be carried out in our so called sophisticated world, you would be in touch with this, as the Jews, who I am descended from, are and anyone suffering from discrimination. I even attended a presentation with Kent Police, including the Chief Constable, where a child of a Polish Jewish survivor of a death camp talked about his families experiences under the Nazis, emphasing how still it is happening on a smaller scale, and as an historian I can recognise it could happen again.  Least we forget!

Talk of ridding us of complete "undesirable" families is just one small step towards another holocaust.  If no one cares about that, well I don't care about saying it.

[Lizzie Zoom]

.................and for those who still do not understand, or want to understand:

http://www.hmd.org.uk/

 

[STEMO]

5 less thieving scum in the world. Surely he is to be congratulated?

Then shot in front of his family. Actually, shoot the family as well, as scum breds scum.

A bit of a harsh and thoughtless thing to say on Holocaust Day TB, even as a joke

What has TB’s post got to do with the holocaust?

If I have to explain that............clue; shooting a whole family of a certain type not thought to be worthy of life in our state..........!!!! That is exactly what the Nazis did, and some states are doing now!

There is tenuous link.......if you really look for it.

[Lizzie Zoom]

5 less thieving scum in the world. Surely he is to be congratulated?

Then shot in front of his family. Actually, shoot the family as well, as scum breds scum.

A bit of a harsh and thoughtless thing to say on Holocaust Day TB, even as a joke

What has TB’s post got to do with the holocaust?

If I have to explain that............clue; shooting a whole family of a certain type not thought to be worthy of life in our state..........!!!! That is exactly what the Nazis did, and some states are doing now!

There is tenuous link.......if you really look for it.

Indeed STEMO, and normally I would just take TB's comment as the usual cull list joke, but I find it hard today, and for longer, to take even the suggested killing of a whole family due to their genes as being funny.  It just does not seem right

[STEMO]

I’m sure Jaime is very, very sorry and will apologise at his earliest opportunity. 

[TheBoy]

So its perfectly acceptable in this country to allow these scum families get away with anything they like, with not serious/viable consequences.

We've spent the last 2 or 3 decades being overly PC about such stuff, particularly bowing to that ugly bint in Opti's avatar, and were has that got us?

These little shits are given an unfair, disproportional amount of help, and are a drain on the country.  We need a new direction. And far stronger punishments.


LZ - calling me a racist/Nazi/an ethnic cleanser is twisting it a bit.  Scum comes in all ethnicities, they all deserve the same fate, irrespective of skin colour, religion and everything else. I know you're more intelligent than that, so work on the assumption I've simply misunderstood your humour.

[redelitev6]

  This is what i love about this forum , it's so balanced and considered 

[Lizzie Zoom]

So its perfectly acceptable in this country to allow these scum families get away with anything they like, with not serious/viable consequences.

We've spent the last 2 or 3 decades being overly PC about such stuff, particularly bowing to that ugly bint in Opti's avatar, and were has that got us?

These little shits are given an unfair, disproportional amount of help, and are a drain on the country.  We need a new direction. And far stronger punishments.


LZ - calling me a racist/Nazi/an ethnic cleanser is twisting it a bit. Scum comes in all ethnicities, they all deserve the same fate, irrespective of skin colour, religion and everything else. I know you're more intelligent than that, so work on the assumption I've simply misunderstood your humour.

I did not call you that.  I was pointing out that in the past, and more recently, groups of people, or a whole nation pick on whole families or a community and blame the lot of them, for various reasons, for whatever they want to for political and ethnic reasons. You cannot tar a whole family with the same brush, let alone even suggest (jokingly) to shoot them for things that do not suit you, or the rest of your community. To even joke about doing such things is just plain wrong. It is not a questioning your or mine sense of humour.  It just reminds me, and it would many other educated individuals, of people like the Nazis who joked about how many they were killing in their extermination camps daily.

As I stated before, joking about certain acts as you do, which I know you ARE joking about, is just one small step towards the maniac living down the road deciding to more than joke about it, then other idiots joining the national rampage. Many sick individuals are reading social media sites, like the OOF, and imagine doing all kinds of things.  Let's not encourage them eh?

You are yourself intelligent enough to know how your comments could be mis-construed, and on Holocaust Day, let alone any other, touch on sensitivity.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

I am also of Jewish descent, but I cannot deny that I favour TB,s mass cull of people he doesn't like, as long as it includes people I don't like too. And he must leave us Brexiteers out of it completely. 

[STEMO]

I am also of Jewish descent, but I cannot deny that I favour TB,s mass cull of people he doesn't like, as long as it includes people I don't like too. And he must leave us Brexiteers out of it completely. 

A Jewish Mick? Now there’s a combination you don’t see very often 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I am also of Jewish descent, but I cannot deny that I favour TB,s mass cull of people he doesn't like, as long as it includes people I don't like too. And he must leave us Brexiteers out of it completely. 

Jacob Rees Mogg should be culled for looking and sounding like something left over from an old black and white Pathe news report.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

True enough. My paternal Grandmother came from a line of Dutch Jews. She had the misfortune to lose her heart to e Belfast Rogue.
My Mothers side of the family are the real story though, but we just don't talk about them. 
Ive often thought that if I was a film maker, I would like to make a film about my Mums life story. It would make Angela,s ashes look like a middle class picnic.
She only found out the actual date of her birthday a couple of years before she died. 

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

I am also of Jewish descent, but I cannot deny that I favour TB,s mass cull of people he doesn't like, as long as it includes people I don't like too. And he must leave us Brexiteers out of it completely. 

Jacob Rees Mogg should be Prime Minister, because he is possibly the only right thinking politician left in the country.

Couldn't agree more. 

[STEMO]

True enough. My paternal Grandmother came from a line of Dutch Jews. She had the misfortune to lose her heart to e Belfast Rogue.
My Mothers side of the family are the real story though, but we just don't talk about them. 
Ive often thought that if I was a film maker, I would like to make a film about my Mums life story. It would make Angela,s ashes look like a middle class picnic.
She only found out the actual date of her birthday a couple of years before she died. 

That’s tough on your mum, Albs. Mine had a shitty upbringing too, her dad (my grandad) was an army deserter. We just don’t realise, how such a short time ago, life was very different for our forebears. They were (had to be) a tough bunch.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

She didnt know when her birthday was because she never had a birthday or Christmas present until she was an adult.
Actually, that's not strictly true. She was given a doll with no head for Christmas once. She wrapped a cloth around it and went out to play with the other kids, who of course pulled the cloth off, and then pissed them selves laughing at her doll with no head.
Her Dad died when she was young and when she and her brothers returned from being evacuated during the war, her Mother had taken up with an evil arsehole. He had by that point beaten two of the neighbours to death, and had lost an eye when a bomb he was making for the UVF blew up in his face. Her mother and him had a further 4 kids, plus several who died in infancy, so there was at least 9 of them in a two up two down house. She wasn't allowed to go to school as she had to go out begging to get money for his drink. Her brothers were sent out on the rob, for the same reason.
When she was 16 she "found God", so he threw her out on the street in the clothes she was wearing and nothing more.
He got rid of her brothers by giving them the choice of leaving and not coming back or having their eyes burnt out with a red hot poker.
When he was a frail old pathetic man, his kids put him in an old peoples home 200 yards from where we lived.
When my Dad was at work she used to go to the home and bring him to our house for his lunch and a chat, because he was lonely.
If anyone tells me they are a Christian, my Mum is the yardstick I measure them by. Most don't pass the test.
I bet your wondering how she ended up having a son like me. 

[STEMO]

That’s truly heartbreaking, Albs. God bless her.

I’m afraid my mums upbringing was just as bad, but she seemed ok in later life, after they caught up with the evil c**t who was my grandad. I never met him, I’m glad to say, nor my grandma, cause he killed her when she was 32.




And...on that cheery note.....

[TheBoy]

Sadly, our attempts to trace dads family beyond my grandparents have proved as fruitless after his death as they did when he was alive. He never wanted to talk about things.

I'm not sure if I'm happy or upset about that, as clearly there are some skeletons there, but who knows if really bad shit, or just what wouldn't bat an eyelid in todays world...    ...that said, I never really knew what dad did for work, other than ne was in the navy and "knew stuff".  I only found in a couple of years ago he guarded, including sleeping in a campbed alongside, something secret post war, until its destruction.  Curiousity always gets me asking mum (and dad, when he was alive), but information is never forthcoming.


Mum's family tree was easy to trace, back to about the 12th century, due to an infamous rouge back a few hundred years ago.

[Varche]

Intersting this thing about how lives for our parents and their parents was so so different.

My Mum was born in Alberta to early pioneers(have a look at the Barr settlers). We have a book of those pioneers which we keep up to date with pencil additions. The wooden prairie shack she lived in still stands today. My Gran left her husband ( a hugely momentous step with a child) and passaged back to England and probably bigamously married and had my two uncles. The step dad died from accidentally taking horse linament.  By contrast my dad had a great start in life being from a family of Scarborough hoteliers. My grandad was even mayor of Scarborough for a time. He was killed by a drunk lorry driver that ploughed into a bus. Only two fatalities (the bus driver and my grandad sat behind him. Gran remarried and the hotels all passed to him and his family.

On the in laws side of things the father in law was one of many children . Their father was in the army and didn't really want them so they were all put in a childrens home in Liverpool run by evil, truly evil nuns. The only time the older brothers saw their younger brothers was if one was sick. They then had to clean up, nurse them. Beatings and punishment by the nuns was the order of the day. There is more, much more which is why I am not amazed by any of the scenarios that come to light nowadays. Man and woman given the chance can and do revert to type. 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Intersting this thing about how lives for our parents and their parents was so so different.

My Mum was born in Alberta to early pioneers(have a look at the Barr settlers). We have a book of those pioneers which we keep up to date with pencil additions. The wooden prairie shack she lived in still stands today. My Gran left her husband ( a hugely momentous step with a child) and passaged back to England and probably bigamously married and had my two uncles. The step dad died from accidentally taking horse linament.  By contrast my dad had a great start in life being from a family of Scarborough hoteliers. My grandad was even mayor of Scarborough for a time. He was killed by a drunk lorry driver that ploughed into a bus. Only two fatalities (the bus driver and my grandad sat behind him. Gran remarried and the hotels all passed to him and his family.

On the in laws side of things the father in law was one of many children . Their father was in the army and didn't really want them so they were all put in a childrens home in Liverpool run by evil, truly evil nuns. The only time the older brothers saw their younger brothers was if one was sick. They then had to clean up, nurse them. Beatings and punishment by the nuns was the order of the day. There is more, much more which is why I am not amazed by any of the scenarios that come to light nowadays. Man and woman given the chance can and do revert to type.

Exactly what is it with nuns?

They are supposed to be all pious and Godly but seem to delight in violence against the powerless.

Too much of the ten commandments and not enough of the blue vein trouser-snake could be the problem.

[Varche]

Not just nuns but male members of the faith too.

[Lizzie Zoom]

Not just nuns but male members of the faith too.

Yes, and all because they have that fatal flaw regarding "religion"; mis-interpretation.  Jesus actually preached love, tolerance and forgiveness, the exact opposite to what certain "followers" did in their institutions.

[STEMO]

All of these stories of family history’s could explain why a good few of us are round the fickin bend 

[Varche]

All of these stories of family history’s could explain why a good few of us are round the fickin bend 

You are not wrong there!

[Doctor Gollum]

Not just nuns but male members of the faith too.

Yes, and all because they have that fatal flaw regarding "religion"; mis-interpretation.  Jesus actually preached love, tolerance and forgiveness, the exact opposite to what certain "followers" did in their institutions.

Well, he was Jewish...

[STEMO]

Not just nuns but male members of the faith too.

Yes, and all because they have that fatal flaw regarding "religion"; mis-interpretation.  Jesus actually preached love, tolerance and forgiveness, the exact opposite to what certain "followers" did in their institutions.

Well, he was Jewish...

Nooooooooo.......he was white (well, pink) with a long, flowing beard, and he spoke English. I’ve seen him on the telly.

[Doctor Gollum]

Not just nuns but male members of the faith too.

Yes, and all because they have that fatal flaw regarding "religion"; mis-interpretation.  Jesus actually preached love, tolerance and forgiveness, the exact opposite to what certain "followers" did in their institutions.

Well, he was Jewish...

Nooooooooo.......he was white (well, pink) with a long, flowing beard, and he spoke English. I’ve seen him on the telly.

No, that was that Entwhistle chap

[Nick W]

Not just nuns but male members of the faith too.

Yes, and all because they have that fatal flaw regarding "religion"; mis-interpretation.  Jesus actually preached love, tolerance and forgiveness, the exact opposite to what certain "followers" did in their institutions.

Well, he was Jewish...

Nooooooooo.......he was white (well, pink) with a long, flowing beard, and he spoke English. I’ve seen him on the telly.

The telly isn't real. Which makes it an ideal medium for representing religious figures

[Sir Tigger KC]

Not just nuns but male members of the faith too.

Yes, and all because they have that fatal flaw regarding "religion"; mis-interpretation.  Jesus actually preached love, tolerance and forgiveness, the exact opposite to what certain "followers" did in their institutions.

Well, he was Jewish...

Nooooooooo.......he was white (well, pink) with a long, flowing beard, and he spoke English. I’ve seen him on the telly.

He's on Family Guy from time to time and his Dad makes the odd appearance as well! 

[STEMO]

Not just nuns but male members of the faith too.

Yes, and all because they have that fatal flaw regarding "religion"; mis-interpretation.  Jesus actually preached love, tolerance and forgiveness, the exact opposite to what certain "followers" did in their institutions.

Well, he was Jewish...

Nooooooooo.......he was white (well, pink) with a long, flowing beard, and he spoke English. I’ve seen him on the telly.

He's on Family Guy from time to time and his Dad makes the odd appearance as well! 

He is omnipresent, on all channels at once. 

[Doctor Gollum]

That's not god, that's Jeremy Kyle

Who, incidentally, is how Jesus might have turned out if he had had Facebook

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

That's not god, that's Jeremy Kyle

Who, incidentally, is how Jesus might have turned out if he had had Facebook

Top of the cull list if TB has any sense.

[Mister Rog]

That's not god, that's Jeremy Kyle

Who, incidentally, is how Jesus might have turned out if he had had Facebook

Top of the cull list if TB has any sense.

Well, I completely agree, but . . . . .

ITV Salaries in 2014. Not at all bad ! I'd do it for that

Noel Edmonds, C4 - £3m
Alan Titchmarsh, ITV - £2.5m
Phillip Schofield, ITV - £2m
Jeremy Kyle, ITV - £2m     
Holly Willoughby, ITV - £1m

[Marks DTM Calib]

Not just nuns but male members of the faith too.

That may be to much of the blue vein trouser snake!

[Marks DTM Calib]

Well, I completely agree, but . . . . .

ITV Salaries in 2014. Not at all bad ! I'd do it for that

Noel Edmonds, C4 - £3m
Alan Titchmarsh, ITV - £2.5m
Phillip Schofield, ITV - £2m
Jeremy Kyle, ITV - £2m     
Holly Willoughby, ITV - £1m

Holly is worth every penny, I still delight in the fact she got one of her nugs out on childrens TV