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Accept deal of compromise as tabled.

5 (27.8%)

Face the consequences of unprecedented political turmoil and the predictable economic fallout resulting from the rejection of the deal.

12 (66.7%)

Accept deal of compromise with an amendment to the Baskstop provision.

1 (5.6%)

Total Members Voted: 17

Voting closed: 12 December 2018, 17:17:52

[Omegatoy]

no deal will cost one percent of GDP! that will soon be made up, its only the government thats scared of it hence the oh no it will be a nightmare now we will have to work for our money!

[Varche]

A no deal would , I understand create a problem for the EU. The Irish border. They would have to instate some kind of hard border in order for the EU integrity not to be compromised on goods INTO the EU. Funny how Varadker has gone on and on about not wanting a hard border...…

May ought to be offering the EU a Free Trade deal today. And then when they Um and Err play them on the media.  Of course it will be too little too late. She will doubtless be happy to come back with backstop limited to ten thousand years.


Everyone has breathed a sigh of relief over May winning the no confidence vote. Didn't Maggie do the same and then was gone in a week ?   

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

A no deal would , I understand create a problem for the EU. The Irish border. They would have to instate some kind of hard border in order for the EU integrity not to be compromised on goods INTO the EU. Funny how Varadker has gone on and on about not wanting a hard border...…

May ought to be offering the EU a Free Trade deal today. And then when they Um and Err play them on the media.  Of course it will be too little too late. She will doubtless be happy to come back with backstop limited to ten thousand years.


Everyone has breathed a sigh of relief over May winning the no confidence vote. Didn't Maggie do the same and then was gone in a week ?

I believe Thatcher had 204 votes against TM's 200. I'd need to check though.

[Varche]

Opti , where would we be without your voting records!

[Darius]

I really cannot fathom how people don't understand the facts.

1.  The UK has signed an international treaty (The Good Friday agreement) with Ireland which states there will never be a hard border between NI and Eire.  There is no end date to the agreement.  The UK is in the agreement in perpetuity and cannot withdraw unilaterally.  The UK can only get out of the agreement with Ireland's (and the people of NI's) agreement. 

2.  The UK has told the EU that the UK is leaving the EU.

3.  The EU says "Tell us what you are going to do about the border to ensure there is no hard border.  It isn't our problem, it is your problem because you have chosen to leave.  If you don't leave, there is no problem".

4.  Consider animals.  EU law states that any animal crossing an EU border must be inspected unless it comes from somewhere which applies the EU laws relating to animals. So animals can cross the France-Belgium border freely.

5.  Some NI farms straddle the border and animals roam freely across the border.

So what can be done? 

There is no technological solution. 

There can only be a solution based on NI applying the same laws as the EU does.

So NI must apply the relevant EU laws.

May wants a new trade deal to cover the border.  So does the EU.  But the transition period, even if extended, will end well before any trade deal is negotiated.  And there is no guarantee a trade deal will be negotiated.

So, if the UK is to honour the international treaty it signed, there must be a backstop.  NAd it must last until it is replaced by a Trade Deal.  If no Trade Deal is negotiated, it stays.

The problem lies with the UK not understanding this.

[STEMO]

Or....we could just leave without a deal and let the EU worry about their border.

[STEMO]

Or...we could just put a border up and say "f*uck you".

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

That works for me. 

On Darius point 1. Mays agreement with the EU tears up/ breaches/ nullifies the good Friday agreement. It alters the status of Northern Ireland, and the good Friday agreement forbids that without the consent of the people of Northern Ireland. 

[78bex]

Looks like no deal  wiith Euroland will now be the outcome 
swmbo is asking me what we need to start stock piling first 

[Sir Tigger KC]

Looks like no deal  wiith Euroland will now be the outcome 
swmbo is asking me what we need to start stock piling first

Spam. 

[Doctor Gollum]

Looks like no deal  wiith Euroland will now be the outcome 
swmbo is asking me what we need to start stock piling first 

Chest freezers, closely followed by any imported food

[STEMO]

Mr Farage says a new vote is the most likely outcome. And he's thrilled about that. 

[Nick W]

swmbo is asking me what we need to start stock piling first 

Euros

[Darius]

Or...we could just put a border up and say "f*uck you".

When I joined this forum I read the Guidelines which say "Excessive use of bad language of any description will not be tolerated, neither will the use of certain words (masked or otherwise) which we hope should be plain and obvious to anyone who can read these guidelines and be intelligent enough to work out what kind of behavior is and isn't allowed."

You are obviously not intelligent enough to understand.

You offensive oaf.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Or...we could just put a border up and say "f*uck you".

When I joined this forum I read the Guidelines which say "Excessive use of bad language of any description will not be tolerated, neither will the use of certain words (masked or otherwise) which we hope should be plain and obvious to anyone who can read these guidelines and be intelligent enough to work out what kind of behavior is and isn't allowed."

You are obviously not intelligent enough to understand.

You offensive oaf.

He's from Liverpool so we have to make allowances for his crude behaviour.

That said the the old f*ucker is one of the good guys.