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[STEMO]

......for tweeting a picture of the Duke and Duchess of Sussex leaving hospital with a chimp. He still can't see what all the fuss is about, it's all in other people's minds. 

[Gaffers]

Yup.  The guy's a prat.  That he had no idea of how it would have caused offense is, quite frankly, absurd.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Is this the Daz challenge chappie?......

[Varche]

There was a time when people showed respect. Now anything goes .

Of course, i blame it on the parents.

[2boxerdogs]

He must be totally stupid & mad , didn't realise it would cause offence man's an arse**le.

[Gaffers]

He must be totally stupid & mad , didn't realise it would cause offence man's an arse**le.

If you have any doubt over his level of stupidity watch the doorstep interview he gave on his account of the meeting with the BBC.

[Bigron]

He has always been a class 1 idiot, but in this country, which supposedly has freedom of speech, he should not be pilloried for saying stupid/controversial things; others equally have the right to respond in their own way - and they did.
As Voltaire was (wrongly) said to proclaim, "I may not agree with what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it".

Ron.

[STEMO]

He has always been a class 1 idiot, but in this country, which supposedly has freedom of speech, he should not be pilloried for saying stupid/controversial things; others equally have the right to respond in their own way - and they did.
As Voltaire was (wrongly) said to proclaim, "I may not agree with what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it".

Ron.

I agree, Ron, to a point. But you could also say that the people criticising him have their right to do that, and the BBC have the right to sack someone for what they consider to be gross misconduct. Like most things, it works both ways.

'Rights' are subjective and, often, one persons rights can be trumped by another person's rights. i.e. The Sussex's rights to leave hospital with their newborn without people posting offensive tweets.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

He has always been a class 1 idiot, but in this country, which supposedly has freedom of speech, he should not be pilloried for saying stupid/controversial things; others equally have the right to respond in their own way - and they did.
As Voltaire was (wrongly) said to proclaim, "I may not agree with what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it".

Ron.

I agree, Ron, to a point. But you could also say that the people criticising him have their right to do that, and the BBC have the right to sack someone for what they consider to be gross misconduct. Like most things, it works both ways.

'Rights' are subjective and, often, one persons rights can be trumped by another person's rights. i.e. The Sussex's rights to leave hospital with their newborn without people posting offensive tweets.

I have very little interest in royal sprogs.

My late grandmother was a staunch socialist and each time a royal sprog was dropped would say....." Well, that's another one the people will have to pay for"

[STEMO]

I was incorrect in my first post, it wasn't an image of the Duke and Duchess, it was a stock photo with, possibly, racist text.

[STEMO]

He has always been a class 1 idiot, but in this country, which supposedly has freedom of speech, he should not be pilloried for saying stupid/controversial things; others equally have the right to respond in their own way - and they did.
As Voltaire was (wrongly) said to proclaim, "I may not agree with what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it".

Ron.

I agree, Ron, to a point. But you could also say that the people criticising him have their right to do that, and the BBC have the right to sack someone for what they consider to be gross misconduct. Like most things, it works both ways.

'Rights' are subjective and, often, one persons rights can be trumped by another person's rights. i.e. The Sussex's rights to leave hospital with their newborn without people posting offensive tweets.

I have very little interest in royal sprogs.

My late grandmother was a staunch socialist and each time a royal sprog was dropped would say....." Well, that's another one the people will have to pay for"

I agree with your late grandmother.

[Bigron]

He has always been a class 1 idiot, but in this country, which supposedly has freedom of speech, he should not be pilloried for saying stupid/controversial things; others equally have the right to respond in their own way - and they did.
As Voltaire was (wrongly) said to proclaim, "I may not agree with what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it".

Ron.

I agree, Ron, to a point. But you could also say that the people criticising him have their right to do that, and the BBC have the right to sack someone for what they consider to be gross misconduct. Like most things, it works both ways.

'Rights' are subjective and, often, one persons rights can be trumped by another person's rights. i.e. The Sussex's rights to leave hospital with their newborn without people posting offensive tweets.

They are strongly in the public eye/domain and in a highly privileged position, so hardly a level playing field. Not to defend Baker, but there were bigger guns aimed at him; did he really have to lose his job?

Ron.

[STEMO]

He has always been a class 1 idiot, but in this country, which supposedly has freedom of speech, he should not be pilloried for saying stupid/controversial things; others equally have the right to respond in their own way - and they did.
As Voltaire was (wrongly) said to proclaim, "I may not agree with what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it".

Ron.

I agree, Ron, to a point. But you could also say that the people criticising him have their right to do that, and the BBC have the right to sack someone for what they consider to be gross misconduct. Like most things, it works both ways.

'Rights' are subjective and, often, one persons rights can be trumped by another person's rights. i.e. The Sussex's rights to leave hospital with their newborn without people posting offensive tweets.

They are strongly in the public eye/domain and in a highly privileged position, so hardly a level playing field. Not to defend Baker, but there were bigger guns aimed at him; did he really have to lose his job?

Ron.

I am not defending or chastising anyone, Ron. Nowadays, the world works in a way which is alien to me, so I just get on with my life and let others get on with theirs. Some of the things my PC headteacher wife comes out with make me either want to laugh out loud or cry. The other day I used the term 'Deaf and dumb'. I was told that is a very offensive term and the correct one is 'Deaf and mute'.
Yeah.........I'd show you offensive if I didn't just want a quiet life.

[Doctor Gollum]

No more than Clarkson, Brand, Ross et al...

[Doctor Gollum]

He has always been a class 1 idiot, but in this country, which supposedly has freedom of speech, he should not be pilloried for saying stupid/controversial things; others equally have the right to respond in their own way - and they did.
As Voltaire was (wrongly) said to proclaim, "I may not agree with what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it".

Ron.

I agree, Ron, to a point. But you could also say that the people criticising him have their right to do that, and the BBC have the right to sack someone for what they consider to be gross misconduct. Like most things, it works both ways.

'Rights' are subjective and, often, one persons rights can be trumped by another person's rights. i.e. The Sussex's rights to leave hospital with their newborn without people posting offensive tweets.

They are strongly in the public eye/domain and in a highly privileged position, so hardly a level playing field. Not to defend Baker, but there were bigger guns aimed at him; did he really have to lose his job?

Ron.

I am not defending or chastising anyone, Ron. Nowadays, the world works in a way which is alien to me, so I just get on with my life and let others get on with theirs. Some of the things my PC headteacher wife comes out with make me either want to laugh out loud or cry. The other day I used the term 'Deaf and dumb'. I was told that is a very offensive term and the correct one is 'Deaf and mute'.
Yeah.........I'd show you offensive if I didn't just want a quiet life.

Mutestruck just doesn't have the same ring to it

[Gaffers]

He has always been a class 1 idiot, but in this country, which supposedly has freedom of speech, he should not be pilloried for saying stupid/controversial things; others equally have the right to respond in their own way - and they did.
As Voltaire was (wrongly) said to proclaim, "I may not agree with what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it".

Ron.

I agree, Ron, to a point. But you could also say that the people criticising him have their right to do that, and the BBC have the right to sack someone for what they consider to be gross misconduct. Like most things, it works both ways.

'Rights' are subjective and, often, one persons rights can be trumped by another person's rights. i.e. The Sussex's rights to leave hospital with their newborn without people posting offensive tweets.

They are strongly in the public eye/domain and in a highly privileged position, so hardly a level playing field. Not to defend Baker, but there were bigger guns aimed at him; did he really have to lose his job?

Ron.

Freedom of speech does not equate to freedom to insult.  It is a rare day I agree with STEMO but he is right when he says that one's 'right' goes both ways regardless of whether you are in the public eye or not (and whether or not it is through your own choosing).  Otherwise you could say that my right to drive a motor vehicle supercedes everyone else's right to being safe on the road, which is clearly pish.

The quote which you mention was actually made by someone else to describe Voltaire's views on freedom of speech, not by Voltaire himself.  Additionally, the context of said quote was very different from this situation.  Voltaire was against aristocratic authority and how it often suppressed freedom of speech, i.e. state-level suppression of rights and not freedom to say what you like even if it erodes other people's rights to not be subjected to offense.  Voltaire himself was a proponent of a constitutional monarchy which protects the rights of the individual.

I feel the use of this quote in this context is very misplaced.

[Bigron]

He has always been a class 1 idiot, but in this country, which supposedly has freedom of speech, he should not be pilloried for saying stupid/controversial things; others equally have the right to respond in their own way - and they did.
As Voltaire was (wrongly) said to proclaim, "I may not agree with what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it".

Ron.

I agree, Ron, to a point. But you could also say that the people criticising him have their right to do that, and the BBC have the right to sack someone for what they consider to be gross misconduct. Like most things, it works both ways.

'Rights' are subjective and, often, one persons rights can be trumped by another person's rights. i.e. The Sussex's rights to leave hospital with their newborn without people posting offensive tweets.

They are strongly in the public eye/domain and in a highly privileged position, so hardly a level playing field. Not to defend Baker, but there were bigger guns aimed at him; did he really have to lose his job?

Ron.

I am not defending or chastising anyone, Ron. Nowadays, the world works in a way which is alien to me, so I just get on with my life and let others get on with theirs. Some of the things my PC headteacher wife comes out with make me either want to laugh out loud or cry. The other day I used the term 'Deaf and dumb'. I was told that is a very offensive term and the correct one is 'Deaf and mute'.
Yeah.........I'd show you offensive if I didn't just want a quiet life.

Ain't dat de troof! The inmates seem to have taken over the asylum. I would also like to ignore all the craziness of the snowflakes and let it all wash over me, but there is simply too much of it - and the humour has gone out of the world.....

Ron.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I would say that freedom of speech is absolute.......but it isn't always a good idea to use that freedom. Best to keep your gob shut at times.

Nobody has the right to be ' not offended '. Some people are offended by almost everything. Think generation snowflake.

......and I think you are all a bunch of tossers. Especially the gobby scouser.

[Bigron]

He has always been a class 1 idiot, but in this country, which supposedly has freedom of speech, he should not be pilloried for saying stupid/controversial things; others equally have the right to respond in their own way - and they did.
As Voltaire was (wrongly) said to proclaim, "I may not agree with what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it".

Ron.

I agree, Ron, to a point. But you could also say that the people criticising him have their right to do that, and the BBC have the right to sack someone for what they consider to be gross misconduct. Like most things, it works both ways.

'Rights' are subjective and, often, one persons rights can be trumped by another person's rights. i.e. The Sussex's rights to leave hospital with their newborn without people posting offensive tweets.

They are strongly in the public eye/domain and in a highly privileged position, so hardly a level playing field. Not to defend Baker, but there were bigger guns aimed at him; did he really have to lose his job?

Ron.

Freedom of speech does not equate to freedom to insult.  It is a rare day I agree with STEMO but he is right when he says that one's 'right' goes both ways regardless of whether you are in the public eye or not (and whether or not it is through your own choosing).  Otherwise you could say that my right to drive a motor vehicle supercedes everyone else's right to being safe on the road, which is clearly pish.

The quote which you mention was actually made by someone else to describe Voltaire's views on freedom of speech, not by Voltaire himself. Additionally, the context of said quote was very different from this situation.  Voltaire was against aristocratic authority and how it often suppressed freedom of speech, i.e. state-level suppression of rights and not freedom to say what you like even if it erodes other people's rights to not be subjected to offense.  Voltaire himself was a proponent of a constitutional monarchy which protects the rights of the individual.

I feel the use of this quote in this context is very misplaced.

Read me properly: I did say wrongly attributed to Voltaire - it was actually Beatrice Hall.
I also conceded that "rights" go both ways, even though too many claim spurious rights nowadays.
Sorry Gaffers, no offence intended, but your motoring analogy is a specious one and irrelevant. But I still love you!

Ron.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

He has always been a class 1 idiot, but in this country, which supposedly has freedom of speech, he should not be pilloried for saying stupid/controversial things; others equally have the right to respond in their own way - and they did.
As Voltaire was (wrongly) said to proclaim, "I may not agree with what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it".

Ron.

I agree, Ron, to a point. But you could also say that the people criticising him have their right to do that, and the BBC have the right to sack someone for what they consider to be gross misconduct. Like most things, it works both ways.

'Rights' are subjective and, often, one persons rights can be trumped by another person's rights. i.e. The Sussex's rights to leave hospital with their newborn without people posting offensive tweets.

They are strongly in the public eye/domain and in a highly privileged position, so hardly a level playing field. Not to defend Baker, but there were bigger guns aimed at him; did he really have to lose his job?

Ron.

I am not defending or chastising anyone, Ron. Nowadays, the world works in a way which is alien to me, so I just get on with my life and let others get on with theirs. Some of the things my PC headteacher wife comes out with make me either want to laugh out loud or cry. The other day I used the term 'Deaf and dumb'. I was told that is a very offensive term and the correct one is 'Deaf and mute'.
Yeah.........I'd show you offensive if I didn't just want a quiet life.

Headteacher...... .....not this old PC boll*cks again.

I presume you are married to a woman rather than a gender neutral person.

Headmistress is the word.....

If you are married to a man Headmaster can be used.

Not difficult,is it.

[Bigron]

 

[2boxerdogs]

It's really quite a simple task, put your brain into gear before engaging your mouth but obviously this task is beyond some people.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

I was very surprised when I heard about this, as although I don't know a lot about him, I always had the impression he was a  typical lefty liberal BBC type.
Havent heard his interview yet, but just heard a discussion about it on LBC. Someone said he is well known for posting pics of the Chimps dressed up as famous people, and also has exactly the same thoughts on the Monarchy as STEMO and Optis grandma, so he tweeted what he did without giving a thought to the racial element.
I still find it hard to believe someone in his position could do that in this day and age, without realising what would happen, but who knows. 

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Just saw his interview on SKY news. I think he is a d1ckhead, but he,s telling the truth.

[Gaffers]

He has always been a class 1 idiot, but in this country, which supposedly has freedom of speech, he should not be pilloried for saying stupid/controversial things; others equally have the right to respond in their own way - and they did.
As Voltaire was (wrongly) said to proclaim, "I may not agree with what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it".

Ron.

I agree, Ron, to a point. But you could also say that the people criticising him have their right to do that, and the BBC have the right to sack someone for what they consider to be gross misconduct. Like most things, it works both ways.

'Rights' are subjective and, often, one persons rights can be trumped by another person's rights. i.e. The Sussex's rights to leave hospital with their newborn without people posting offensive tweets.

They are strongly in the public eye/domain and in a highly privileged position, so hardly a level playing field. Not to defend Baker, but there were bigger guns aimed at him; did he really have to lose his job?

Ron.

Freedom of speech does not equate to freedom to insult.  It is a rare day I agree with STEMO but he is right when he says that one's 'right' goes both ways regardless of whether you are in the public eye or not (and whether or not it is through your own choosing).  Otherwise you could say that my right to drive a motor vehicle supercedes everyone else's right to being safe on the road, which is clearly pish.

The quote which you mention was actually made by someone else to describe Voltaire's views on freedom of speech, not by Voltaire himself. Additionally, the context of said quote was very different from this situation.  Voltaire was against aristocratic authority and how it often suppressed freedom of speech, i.e. state-level suppression of rights and not freedom to say what you like even if it erodes other people's rights to not be subjected to offense.  Voltaire himself was a proponent of a constitutional monarchy which protects the rights of the individual.

I feel the use of this quote in this context is very misplaced.

Read me properly: I did say wrongly attributed to Voltaire - it was actually Beatrice Hall.
I also conceded that "rights" go both ways, even though too many claim spurious rights nowadays.
Sorry Gaffers, no offence intended, but your motoring analogy is a specious one and irrelevant. But I still love you!

Ron.

[puts glasses on]  Ah, yes.  Sorry I honestly failed to see the part in brackets.  Maybe I just got in to autopilot as I often do when I see that Voltaire quote

I do not agree with your interpretation of my motoring analagy but that's fine   I think what you mean is that different people get offended by different things and it is difficult, oft impossible, to know who will be offended by what.  Sometimes I feel the offense taken is justified, sometimes not.  A whole load of subjectivity goes in to each scenario and I bet no two people will feel the same about every single one.  I, for example, take great offense at anyone making fun of cyclists getting hurt or killed but this is due to my own experiences as both a cyclist and from what happened to my brother.  Yet not everyone will feel the same because they have had different life experiences.

In this particular case though it is well known, and widely considered unacceptable, to conflate race with apes of any kind.  That Danny worked on 5 Live, a channel that hosts a lot of football and will certainly know the challenges the sport has had with this very specific insult, and that he claimed not to know it would cause offense is simply absurd and for that he deserved to be fired.

[Gaffers]

Oh, and I love you too Ron.  I think.  Maybe... 

[Bigron]

Should we get a room?
Seriously though, I did read an earlier post of yours concerning cyclists and although I am not enamoured of their misbehaviour on the roads and pavements, I do not advocate the death penalty - merely that they be dealt with accordingly.

Ron.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Should we get a room?
Seriously though, I did read an earlier post of yours concerning cyclists and although I am not enamoured of their misbehaviour on the roads and pavements, I do not advocate the death penalty - merely that they be dealt with accordingly.

Ron.

Best not let Albitz be the judge. He is rather fond of hanging people.

[Gaffers]

Should we get a room?
Seriously though, I did read an earlier post of yours concerning cyclists and although I am not enamoured of their misbehaviour on the roads and pavements, I do not advocate the death penalty - merely that they be dealt with accordingly.

Ron.

Best not let Albitz be the judge. He is rather fond of hanging people.

Wasn't that French spies? 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Should we get a room?
Seriously though, I did read an earlier post of yours concerning cyclists and although I am not enamoured of their misbehaviour on the roads and pavements, I do not advocate the death penalty - merely that they be dealt with accordingly.

Ron.

Best not let Albitz be the judge. He is rather fond of hanging people.

Wasn't that French spies? 

His 'to do list' of people to be hanged come the glorious day is extensive.

[Gaffers]

Should we get a room?
Seriously though, I did read an earlier post of yours concerning cyclists and although I am not enamoured of their misbehaviour on the roads and pavements, I do not advocate the death penalty - merely that they be dealt with accordingly.

Ron.

Best not let Albitz be the judge. He is rather fond of hanging people.

Wasn't that French spies? 

His 'to do list' of people to be hanged come the glorious day is extensive.

I have no doubt that I am on there somewhere

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Should we get a room?
Seriously though, I did read an earlier post of yours concerning cyclists and although I am not enamoured of their misbehaviour on the roads and pavements, I do not advocate the death penalty - merely that they be dealt with accordingly.

Ron.

Best not let Albitz be the judge. He is rather fond of hanging people.

Wasn't that French spies? 

His 'to do list' of people to be hanged come the glorious day is extensive.

I have no doubt that I am on there somewhere

Almost certainly.....and near the top of the list.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I think his plan is to start with EU officials and then work his way through the whole of France.

[Nick W]

It's really quite a simple task, put your brain into gear before engaging your mouth but obviously this task is beyond some people.

That's especially important when you earn a living by engaging your mouth. His comment and subsequent reactions were crass, ill-judged, inappropriate and didn't manage to be entertaining either. That is why his employers should discipline him. How they do that is their decision.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Should we get a room?
Seriously though, I did read an earlier post of yours concerning cyclists and although I am not enamoured of their misbehaviour on the roads and pavements, I do not advocate the death penalty - merely that they be dealt with accordingly.

Ron.

Best not let Albitz be the judge. He is rather fond of hanging people.

Wasn't that French spies people ? 

It was indeed. 

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Should we get a room?
Seriously though, I did read an earlier post of yours concerning cyclists and although I am not enamoured of their misbehaviour on the roads and pavements, I do not advocate the death penalty - merely that they be dealt with accordingly.

Ron.

Best not let Albitz be the judge. He is rather fond of hanging people.

Wasn't that French spies? 

His 'to do list' of people to be hanged come the glorious day is extensive.

I have no doubt that I am on there somewhere

Quite the reverse. You willingly signed on the dotted line to serve/ defend / protect the country. Your one of the few groups of people I would happily spend tax payers money on if and when needed. 

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Ive now had a bit of time to look into this story a bit and I find his sacking fickin hilarious.
He is indeed a right on lefty liberal, fully signed up to the whole PC agenda. I believe he is so dismissive of the Royals that he was vaguely aware one of them had a kid,and so decided to allude to how he thinks they are a bunch of upper class privileged twits, by using the chimp pic. Apparently he has a thing for using chimp pics to paint people in this light.
He has been hung by his own PC petard, and he cant even complain about it as that would be un PC.
Brilliant. 

[TheBoy]

Some people are offended by almost everything. Think generation snowflake.

This is indeed the problem.

[TheBoy]

I'm offended by do-gooders. Can they all be sacked?

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Only sacked, not culled ?
Christ, hes gone all soft & fluffy ! 

[zirk]

The guy is a Dick, always been Dick, Ive met Him a few times and had a few Beers with Him when he was on the LWT 6 O'clock show back in the 80s,

He's one of those who are all very good at a laugh and a joke and dishing it out but He certainly cant take it when His on the receiving end.

[Doctor Gollum]

The guy is a Dick, always been Dick, Ive met Him a few times and had a few Beers with Him when he was on the LWT 6 O'clock show back in the 80s,

He's one of those who are all very good at a laugh and a joke and dishing it out but He certainly cant take it when His on the receiving end.

There's plenty around who fit that description

[Viral_Jim]

It's really quite a simple task, put your brain into gear before engaging your mouth but obviously this task is beyond some people.

That's especially important when you earn a living by engaging your mouth. His comment and subsequent reactions were crass, ill-judged, inappropriate and didn't manage to be entertaining either. That is why his employers should discipline him. How they do that is their decision.

The other side to this is, maybe he had no idea she, and her child are mixed race? I mean, I didn't until I read about the story today.

Or is this one of those "I've never seen star wars" moments where I find out I'm totally on my own on this?!

[Doctor Gollum]

Does being Canadian count as a race? Or is this just another Millennial thing 

[Rods2]

If you actively play in the spotlight of the court of public opinion then there are boundaries it is sensible not to cross. There are plenty of ways he could have done this & a few very stupids ways, one of which he used. No sympathy here, that he has fallen on his self inflicted sword.

One sensible rule is that none of us choose our genetic physical characteristics or ethnicity, they are bequeathed by our family lines & are generally a very poor way to score political points. Another is that we mostly are incharge of our actions through our minds, interface to the world & the use of uncommon sense, which may result in making good or bad decisions & these are quite rightly open to possible praise, ridicule & criticism.

Where I have over 500 followers on Twitter & do discuss controversial subjects like quality of UK politicians, Brexit & climate fraud, it doesn't get me into trouble where I follow the above self-imposed rules.

[YZ250]

.........
Or is this one of those "I've never seen star wars" moments where I find out I'm totally on my own on this?!

You're not on your own........ I've never seen Star Wars either.   

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Nor have I . 

[STEMO]

It's the same as road wars but with space ships.

[aaronjb]

It's the same as road wars but with space ships.

Less sirens, though.

[Doctor Gollum]

It's the same as road wars but with space ships.

Less sirens, though.

More lasers though.

Depending on your point of view

[Gaffers]

It's the same as road wars but with space ships.

Less sirens, though.

More lasers though.

So Does Austin Powers: Goldmember, very different film though 

[zirk]

It's the same as road wars but with space ships.

Nah, the Actors and Acting is better on Road Wars.

[TheBoy]

.........
Or is this one of those "I've never seen star wars" moments where I find out I'm totally on my own on this?!

You're not on your own........ I've never seen Star Wars either.   

I've seen star wars, but not convinced I've ever seen a picture of the royal in question.  I know shes a yank, so is she an African American (or whatever the politically correct term for a black American nowadays)?

[Bigron]

I am amazed that they would let an american negro into the royal family,

Ron.

[Doctor Gollum]

I am amazed that they would let an american negro into the royal family,

Ron.

Modern times Ron. Modern times...

[Andy B]

....
 but not convinced I've ever seen a picture of the royal in question.  ....

Google her ....

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I am amazed that they would let an american negro into the royal family,

Ron.

Modern times Ron. Modern times...

Ron is still angry about Mrs Simpson.

[TheBoy]

....
 but not convinced I've ever seen a picture of the royal in question.  ....

Google her ....

Whats her name?

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

....
 but not convinced I've ever seen a picture of the royal in question.  ....

Google her ....

Whats her name?

Koo Stark.

[TheBoy]

....
 but not convinced I've ever seen a picture of the royal in question.  ....

Google her ....

Whats her name?

Koo Stark.

Wasn't that Andy Pandy's hottie in the 80s? Or is there some inbreeding going on

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

....
 but not convinced I've ever seen a picture of the royal in question.  ....

Google her ....

Whats her name?

Koo Stark.

Wasn't that Andy Pandy's hottie in the 80s? Or is there some inbreeding going on

Yes......then came ginger minge.

[aaronjb]

....
 but not convinced I've ever seen a picture of the royal in question.  ....

Google her ....

He'll need a strong cup of tea if he does that!

[STEMO]

.........
Or is this one of those "I've never seen star wars" moments where I find out I'm totally on my own on this?!

You're not on your own........ I've never seen Star Wars either.   

I've seen star wars, but not convinced I've ever seen a picture of the royal in question.  I know shes a yank, so is she an African American (or whatever the politically correct term for a black American nowadays)?

AHEM!!  She is a 'person of colour'.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

.........
Or is this one of those "I've never seen star wars" moments where I find out I'm totally on my own on this?!

You're not on your own........ I've never seen Star Wars either.   

I've seen star wars, but not convinced I've ever seen a picture of the royal in question.  I know shes a yank, so is she an African American (or whatever the politically correct term for a black American nowadays)?

AHEM!!  She is a 'person of colour'.

I believe half-caste is the correct PC term.....or perhaps not.

[STEMO]

.........
Or is this one of those "I've never seen star wars" moments where I find out I'm totally on my own on this?!

You're not on your own........ I've never seen Star Wars either.   

I've seen star wars, but not convinced I've ever seen a picture of the royal in question.  I know shes a yank, so is she an African American (or whatever the politically correct term for a black American nowadays)?

AHEM!!  She is a 'person of colour'.

I believe half-caste is the correct PC term.....or perhaps not.

I would expect a knock on the door from the PC police if I were you.

[STEMO]

He has always been a class 1 idiot, but in this country, which supposedly has freedom of speech, he should not be pilloried for saying stupid/controversial things; others equally have the right to respond in their own way - and they did.
As Voltaire was (wrongly) said to proclaim, "I may not agree with what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it".

Ron.

I agree, Ron, to a point. But you could also say that the people criticising him have their right to do that, and the BBC have the right to sack someone for what they consider to be gross misconduct. Like most things, it works both ways.

'Rights' are subjective and, often, one persons rights can be trumped by another person's rights. i.e. The Sussex's rights to leave hospital with their newborn without people posting offensive tweets.

They are strongly in the public eye/domain and in a highly privileged position, so hardly a level playing field. Not to defend Baker, but there were bigger guns aimed at him; did he really have to lose his job?

Ron.

I am not defending or chastising anyone, Ron. Nowadays, the world works in a way which is alien to me, so I just get on with my life and let others get on with theirs. Some of the things my PC headteacher wife comes out with make me either want to laugh out loud or cry. The other day I used the term 'Deaf and dumb'. I was told that is a very offensive term and the correct one is 'Deaf and mute'.
Yeah.........I'd show you offensive if I didn't just want a quiet life.

It gets worse. I've just been informed, by the headmistress that it's 'Hearing impaired and mute'. FFS. 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

He has always been a class 1 idiot, but in this country, which supposedly has freedom of speech, he should not be pilloried for saying stupid/controversial things; others equally have the right to respond in their own way - and they did.
As Voltaire was (wrongly) said to proclaim, "I may not agree with what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it".

Ron.

I agree, Ron, to a point. But you could also say that the people criticising him have their right to do that, and the BBC have the right to sack someone for what they consider to be gross misconduct. Like most things, it works both ways.

'Rights' are subjective and, often, one persons rights can be trumped by another person's rights. i.e. The Sussex's rights to leave hospital with their newborn without people posting offensive tweets.

They are strongly in the public eye/domain and in a highly privileged position, so hardly a level playing field. Not to defend Baker, but there were bigger guns aimed at him; did he really have to lose his job?

Ron.

I am not defending or chastising anyone, Ron. Nowadays, the world works in a way which is alien to me, so I just get on with my life and let others get on with theirs. Some of the things my PC headteacher wife comes out with make me either want to laugh out loud or cry. The other day I used the term 'Deaf and dumb'. I was told that is a very offensive term and the correct one is 'Deaf and mute'.
Yeah.........I'd show you offensive if I didn't just want a quiet life.

It gets worse. I've just been informed, by the headmistress that it's 'Hearing impaired and mute'. FFS. 

Headmistress is good...

Hearing impaired is boll*cks...

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

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Or is this one of those "I've never seen star wars" moments where I find out I'm totally on my own on this?!

You're not on your own........ I've never seen Star Wars either.   

I've seen star wars, but not convinced I've ever seen a picture of the royal in question.  I know shes a yank, so is she an African American (or whatever the politically correct term for a black American nowadays)?

AHEM!!  She is a 'person of colour'.

I believe half-caste is the correct PC term.....or perhaps not.

I would expect a knock on the door from the PC police if I were you.

I try so hard.

[Bigron]

Apparently, "blind" has to be "unsighted" now!

Ron.

[Raeturbo]

Apparently, "blind" has to be "unsighted" now!

Ron.

.       Jesus, I bet they didn’t see that one coming....

[Bigron]

GROAN!!!

[Doctor Gollum]

.........
Or is this one of those "I've never seen star wars" moments where I find out I'm totally on my own on this?!

You're not on your own........ I've never seen Star Wars either.   

I've seen star wars, but not convinced I've ever seen a picture of the royal in question.  I know shes a yank, so is she an African American (or whatever the politically correct term for a black American nowadays)?

AHEM!!  She is a 'person of colour'.

I believe half-caste is the correct PC term.....or perhaps not.

Not Local is my preferred expression... In Crawley it's quite a broad spectrum 

[Raeturbo]

Come on Ron, see it my way