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[2nddaniel]

Does anyone know if it's possible to upgrade the standard cruise control to an adaptive system from later Vauxhalls?

[omega2018]

i can foresee insurance problems with that....

[Kevin Wood]

Yep.. No chance of that working with the electronics in the Omega, and I can imagine the insurance response when you try to declare it as a modification.

[dbug]

Does anyone know if it's possible to upgrade the standard cruise control to an adaptive system from later Vauxhalls?

Agree with the comments above - if you must have it buy a car with it fitted.

By the way its not all its cracked up to be - rare I use mine now.

[05omegav6]

Certainly it's at least as easy to press the appropriate button on the stalk to adjust speed up or down

[Diamond Black Geezer]

I know the same argument is valid with 'old fashioned' cruise, but what a worry that such a thing as 'adaptive cruise control' exists - meaning, with lane departure warning, you can comfortably sit on the motorway and read a paper, or text whilst letting the car do most of the driving for you! Only occasionally glancing up to tweak the steering wheel a smidge. Or drive with your knees, even better!

[05omegav6]

I know the same argument is valid with 'old fashioned' cruise, but what a worry that such a thing as 'adaptive cruise control' exists - meaning, with lane departure warning, you can comfortably sit on the motorway and read a paper, or text whilst letting the car do most of the driving for you! Only occasionally glancing up to tweak the steering wheel a smidge. Or drive with your knees, even better!

You can do all of those things without cruise control

[2nddaniel]

Yep.. No chance of that working with the electronics in the Omega, and I can imagine the insurance response when you try to declare it as a modification.

I would do everything above board, but I can't imagine any problem with notifying insurance - cruise control is under drivers control , regardless of whether it's adaptive, isn't it?
Any way, that's another matter. I'm really interested in your knowledge of the electrical side of this. Or anybody's reading this.
I know we have a tensioner, probably motorised connected to the accelerator cable, am I correct to presume that this is a standalone unit - perhaps linked to the brake pedal to cancel it.

Any technical knowledge is appreciated.

[Andy B]

I know we have a tensioner, probably motorised connected to the accelerator cable, am I correct to presume that this is a standalone unit - perhaps linked to the brake pedal to cancel it.

Any technical knowledge is appreciated.

Depends what engine you have .... yours is an add on unit (drivers side inner wing) later cars ie 3.2 & 2.6 are fly by wire throttles and cruise is just a software prog.

[Diamond Black Geezer]

I know the same argument is valid with 'old fashioned' cruise, but what a worry that such a thing as 'adaptive cruise control' exists - meaning, with lane departure warning, you can comfortably sit on the motorway and read a paper, or text whilst letting the car do most of the driving for you! Only occasionally glancing up to tweak the steering wheel a smidge. Or drive with your knees, even better!

You can do all of those things without cruise control

Well spotted, I never realised that  Just making the point that any system which requires less concentration from the driver isn't necessarily a better system, that's all.

[raywilb]

Does anyone know if it's possible to upgrade the standard cruise control to an adaptive system from later Vauxhalls?

Agree with the comments above - if you must have it buy a car with it fitted.

By the way its not all its cracked up to be - rare I use mine now.

  I have only used mine the once in a 50mph zone & found I got behind something doing 47 , so have never bothered with it since.

[Kevin Wood]

Yep.. No chance of that working with the electronics in the Omega, and I can imagine the insurance response when you try to declare it as a modification.

I would do everything above board, but I can't imagine any problem with notifying insurance - cruise control is under drivers control , regardless of whether it's adaptive, isn't it?
Any way, that's another matter. I'm really interested in your knowledge of the electrical side of this. Or anybody's reading this.
I know we have a tensioner, probably motorised connected to the accelerator cable, am I correct to presume that this is a standalone unit - perhaps linked to the brake pedal to cancel it.

Any technical knowledge is appreciated.

The point I'm making is that there isn't an out of the box system that does this for an Omega. To make it work, you'd have to tamper with those systems that fail safe handing the driver control. That means they are no longer necessarily fail-safe. One bug in the firmware and you might have a situation where the system accidentally applies full throttle and refuses to release it. A quick acting driver might knock an autobox into neutral or press the clutch if that happened. A lazy driver with adaptive cruise control on would probably not.

I would be surprised if an insurance company would cover such a modification, if made fully aware of what had been done.

[biggriffin]

I know the same argument is valid with 'old fashioned' cruise, but what a worry that such a thing as 'adaptive cruise control' exists - meaning, with lane departure warning, you can comfortably sit on the motorway and read a paper, or text whilst letting the car do most of the driving for you! Only occasionally glancing up to tweak the steering wheel a smidge. Or drive with your knees, even better!

You can do all of those things without cruise control

Well spotted, I never realised that  Just making the point that any system which requires less concentration from the driver isn't necessarily a better system, that's all.

I seen more,

[05omegav6]

Indeed, can add watching telly and cooking to that list

Not to mention sleeping either...

[TheBoy]

Its one of those things, if you want it, get a car designed to take it.  Retrofitting will get you in a whole pile of hassle, long before you call the insurance who will pull the plug anyway.

Cars with it have it integrated into the firmwares, AND TESTED!


Most Executive car top end models built in last 3 or 4 years now have it

[zirk]

Would be nice when you can send your car off to work whilst you stay at home and drink tea.

Then when your Boss rings and says "Zirk, why arnt you at work today?", you can reply "Yea, sorry about that, the car forgot to take me again." 

[2nddaniel]

Any technical knowledge is appreciated.
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Depends what engine you have .... yours is an add on unit (drivers side inner wing) later cars ie 3.2 & 2.6 are fly by wire throttles and cruise is just a software prog.
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This is what I'm after. Tech talk. Thanks pal.
Mine is as you described, apparently an add on unit. I drive the 3.0 V6 petrol with autobox. I didn't realise later models binned the accelerator cable.
Do Any Omegas have the adaptive version of cruise.?

[05omegav6]

No.

Ecu isn't designed for it.

If you must have it, buy a new car with it. Simples

To be clear, the dbw ecus control the cruise control, there is no cruise ecu. Earlier cabled cars have a second ecu which talks to the engine/gearbox ones, but again the engine ecu isn't designed for an adaptive element...

The only thing they might do is allow for a throttle increase subject to load criteria, ie steep or long inclines although in my experience, the 3.2 was rubbish at maintaining speed uphill...

[2nddaniel]

No.

Ecu isn't designed for it.



To be clear, the dbw ecus control the cruise control, there is no cruise ecu. Earlier cabled cars have a second ecu which talks to the engine/gearbox ones, but again the engine ecu isn't designed for an adaptive element...

The only thing they might do is allow for a throttle increase subject to load criteria, ie steep or long inclines although in my experience, the 3.2 was rubbish at maintaining speed uphill...

Mine works really well uphill, and downhill isn't too bad. When reaching an incline the gearbox kicks down to maintain speed. Downhill does have a speed increase, but it does drop a gear to assist with engine braking if the torque convertor deems it necessary.
There is a tolerance of maybe 2mph either side of the chosen setting on a flat road.
It would be the icing on the cruise-cake to find a simple way of adding adaptive.

Perhaps somewhere, somehow, there is a Vauxhall that has the same throttle cable control unit but also has the radar sensors mounted in the front bumper linked to the cruise control.
That would have my attention. I would study it.

I want to have my cruise-cake and eat it.

[2nddaniel]

Would be nice when you can send your car off to work whilst you stay at home and drink tea.

Then when your Boss rings and says "Zirk, why arnt you at work today?", you can reply "Yea, sorry about that, the car forgot to take me again." 

Love it.

[05omegav6]

No.

Ecu isn't designed for it.



To be clear, the dbw ecus control the cruise control, there is no cruise ecu. Earlier cabled cars have a second ecu which talks to the engine/gearbox ones, but again the engine ecu isn't designed for an adaptive element...

The only thing they might do is allow for a throttle increase subject to load criteria, ie steep or long inclines although in my experience, the 3.2 was rubbish at maintaining speed uphill...

Mine works really well uphill, and downhill isn't too bad. When reaching an incline the gearbox kicks down to maintain speed. Downhill does have a speed increase, but it does drop a gear to assist with engine braking if the torque convertor deems it necessary.
There is a tolerance of maybe 2mph either side of the chosen setting on a flat road.
It would be the icing on the cruise-cake to find a simple way of adding adaptive.

Perhaps somewhere, somehow, there is a Vauxhall that has the same throttle cable control unit but also has the radar sensors mounted in the front bumper linked to the cruise control.
That would have my attention. I would study it.

I want to have my cruise-cake and eat it.

Any car new enough to have adaptive cruise will have a dbw throttle...

[Andy B]

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Any car new enough to have adaptive cruise will have a dbw throttle...

nail & head I think there Al 

[TheBoy]

Perhaps somewhere, somehow, there is a Vauxhall that has the same throttle cable control unit but also has the radar sensors mounted in the front bumper linked to the cruise control.
That would have my attention. I would study it.

Nope, no such option available. *AND* even if it did, it would be far, far, far more than bolting on a new cruise, as technically the system is a lot more complex than something tugging on the accelerator cable.

At a minimum, you'd be reverse engineering the proprietary firmwares on the engine, TCM and ABS ECUs, and re-writing them to take into account the new functionality, and work out a way to communicate this across the ECUs in real time.  You'd also as a minimum need the Stability Control version of the ABS system, incredibly rare in the UK.

Now on a 3.0l, there is no stability control option, and its not retrofittable to it. In addition, there isn't really a proper CAN implementation between the relevant ECUs, or capability to add one.  Even on the later engines, the CAN isn't really a full implementation, so doubt you'd be able to get the required real time communication.


So, in summary, on a DBW Omega, if you had access to the proprietary source code for the ECUs, and the skills to program them, and assuming there was enough flash space, and you had the Stability Control ABS, and the CAN was featured enough and fast enough to add a real time communications channel, you may be able to add it. It would be what I'd class as a very challenging implementation *IF* you could get the source code.  But no way on this earth would you get insurance on it.

On a 3.0l, consider it virtually impossible.


As said earlier, if you must have it, buy a car with it.

[05omegav6]

Is this still going on

[2nddaniel]

Thanks everyone for the comments.
If I don't ask questions I don't have knowledge.

I have more knowledge now.
Enough to give it a go.
So I seem to need some Cans - will any do?
I also read that I need some wire to drive by - I have wire.
And some Firm Ware- I'll use Tupperware.


(I'm tempted to just post that without writing this bit - I can imagine the capital lettered responses - But yes, I am in fact joking. I'll accept I'd be out of my depth and mind)

I had planned on fitting some dust caps, but I'm inclined to simply buy a car with them already fitted.

[all of the emojis]

[Andy B]

....
I have more knowledge now.
Enough to give it a go. ....

Let me know when/if you do ...... my son, daughter-in-law & grandaughter live on the Bury/Heywood border