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[powerslinky]

Got my Sony Minidisc HU all fitted & working with the interface to allow steering wheel controls 

Works great       but tonight I noticed that there is no illumination on the steering wheel controls themselves 

From owning  previous omegas, I'm sure there should be some sort of lighting on these.

Anyone know ?. . . and if so could  it just be blown  bulbs ?   seems unlikely that all bulbs would be blown though 

TIA    Al

[TheBoy]

Sure they are LEDs.  I believe its feed from HU, so might be your adapter is just shite (it is Sony, after all).

[TheBoy]

Yeah, just checked schems, feed from HU (or adapter in your case)

[powerslinky]

Sure they are LEDs.  I believe its feed from HU, so might be your adapter is just shite (it is Sony, after all).

Got it from Halfrauds Jamie, so most likely is  . . . 

Just have to get used to it without illumination . . .  or don't drive with music at night 

I know you hate Sony gear but this sounds so much better than the CDR2006 even with the std VX speakers

Thanks for reply   

[05omegav6]

It could be the head unit itself, as istr my wheel controls not illuminating either was summat I noticed all of a sudden, but never worried about as I never fitted the interface

[TheBoy]

Sure they are LEDs.  I believe its feed from HU, so might be your adapter is just shite (it is Sony, after all).

Got it from Halfrauds Jamie, so most likely is  . . . 

Just have to get used to it without illumination . . .  or don't drive with music at night 

I know you hate Sony gear but this sounds so much better than the CDR2006 even with the std VX speakers

Thanks for reply   

Minidisc came out before Sony sold themselves out. And if you want minidisc, you have precisely sod all choice

Worth popping some better speakers in though. No need to spend a fortune to get an improvement


As to the adapter, likely its a half arsed implementation.  Need to look again, but it may be possible to just provide a suitable voltage on one of the wires. Not sure what that "suitable" voltage would be without measuring.

[05omegav6]

Probably not 12v to the yellow wires...

[TheBoy]

Probably not 12v to the yellow wires...

That'd solve the issue, as you could listen to minidisc in a hospital ward

[05omegav6]

Probably not 12v to the yellow wires...

That'd solve the issue, as you could listen to minidisc in a hospital ward

Assuming the bang doesn't destroy Als' ear drums

Pin 3 RdWh at X91 instrument panel contact unit connection... from Pin7 of the Radio plug.

At X91 it becomes Gy to the contact unit U20, which then connects to Pin A at X89, which is where the controls plug into the contact assembly at the steering wheel hub

[TheBoy]

Output of pin 7 is 12v when HU is on.  So Al needs a similar signal from his HU

[05omegav6]

Output of pin 7 is 12v when HU is on.  So Al needs a similar signal from his HU

Will look at a gay loom when I get home, but guess pin 7 is on the power section of the plug rather than the speaker or extras sections... 4x2 din iirc

[05omegav6]

Output of pin 7 is 12v when HU is on.  So Al needs a similar signal from his HU

Will look at a gay loom when I get home, but guess pin 7 is on the power section of the plug rather than the speaker or extras sections... 4x2 din iirc

Pin 7 on the car radio plug...


Equates to Pin 5 on the Sony loom...


So you simply need to connect Pins 5 and 7 on the Sony plug...

And for reference,
X91
And X89

[powerslinky]

      Que ?      thanks guys that looks dead easy  . . . to you two

 but I won't mess with electricery even if it is only 12 volts

May be a job for Terbys meet  as the Sony comes out pretty easy 

Jamie  . . . wot speakers would you suggest  . . . price does matter sadly

[powerslinky]

Seems I've had a bad day  with that last post  . . . . hope you can "read between the lines "  and get what it means

I am 'effin' usless  with a computer     

Edit :     Actually   Taxi Al / Jamie   . . .   now that   have had a look at your suggestion  .  . I think I may be able to

attempt that      can anything go seriously  wrong ?   

[TheBoy]

Worse case is smoke. And you haven't lived until you've properly tuned something to channel smoke, and shat your pants in the process

[Kevin Wood]

Worse case is smoke. And you haven't lived until you've properly tuned something to channel smoke, and shat your pants in the process

Let me see. Bit of swarf in the tuning capacitor of the anode circuit in a big valve transmitter was a good one. Couple of kV DC got shorted out as I was in there tuning it up with a screwdriver.

Oh, or the electrolytic cap that burst while I had my mate's guitar amplifier in bits on my lap. Felt it just graze my forehead on the way up. Learned to connect them the right way round after that. 

[powerslinky]

You lot  trying to frighten me . . .  was gonna attempt this  . . . think I  still will . .  .

it's only an old omega. . . & . . . fire station is quite local

[TheBoy]

Worse case is smoke. And you haven't lived until you've properly tuned something to channel smoke, and shat your pants in the process

Let me see. Bit of swarf in the tuning capacitor of the anode circuit in a big valve transmitter was a good one. Couple of kV DC got shorted out as I was in there tuning it up with a screwdriver.

Oh, or the electrolytic cap that burst while I had my mate's guitar amplifier in bits on my lap. Felt it just graze my forehead on the way up. Learned to connect them the right way round after that. 

I was doing some serious smoothing on a home made battery charger back in my RC days.  Several massive electrolytics in parallel.  Inevitably, one day they were connected round the wrong way. Foil and dust took ages to settle, and I had to have it all hovered up before the folks got home

Or for fun, a mate and I realised you could get quite accurate with shooting the top off Watford Electronics LEDs with 90v, reverse connected.  When we ran out, we discovered the Maplins ones just glowed briefly, then just smoked until the legs blew like a fuse.

[TheBoy]

You lot  trying to frighten me . . .  was gonna attempt this  . . . think I  still will . .  .

it's only an old omega. . . & . . . fire station is quite local

Where's your sense of adventure.  To quote Clarkson, "what could possibly go wrong?"

[05omegav6]

I would cut the RdWh wire on the car loom where it connects to the radio plug and attach it to the Rd wire next to it

Simply bridging the two may well release smoke...

[TheBoy]

Simply bridging the two may well will release (lots of) smoke...

fixed

[05omegav6]

Simply bridging the two may well will release (lots of) smoke...

fixed

[powerslinky]

I would cut the RdWh wire on the car loom where it connects to the radio plug and attach it to the Rd wire next to it :y

Simply bridging the two may well release smoke...

Need some guidance here Al  . . . .So  cut the RdWh wire where it connects to the radio plug & then connect the loom side of this to the Red wire next to it ?

or is it ?  cut the RdWh wire where it connects to the radio plug & then connect  the plug side of this to the Red wire next to it , leaving the the RdWh from the loom taped up & going nowhere

Another way to explain my question is ; when RdWh wire is cut which end (loom or plug) is joined to the Red next to it .

sorry it's probably glaringly obvious to you  . . .  but not me 

I hate electrics       hoping you can understand this 

[05omegav6]

Cut it right at the plug. This dead end will then be safe. Then attach the tail (or loom side) of the cut wire to the red wire next to it... pin 8 on the car loom (see pic of plug).  To test, insert it and switch ignition on... wheel lights should then illuminate

If all good, make it a more permanent connection, and bish bash bosh

If it's easier, you could make the change at the Sony side of the loom... if you can bare to wait until Wycombe, I will gladly help with it

[powerslinky]

Cut it right at the plug. This dead end will then be safe. Then attach the tail (or loom side) of the cut wire to the red wire next to it... pin 8 on the car loom (see pic of plug).  To test, insert it and switch ignition on... wheel lights should then illuminate

If all good, make it a more permanent connection, and bish bash bosh

   
Right got it  . . . . bish bash bosh        you know how I work then       Thanks . . . doing it tomorrow

[05omegav6]

Cut it right at the plug. This dead end will then be safe. Then attach the tail (or loom side) of the cut wire to the red wire next to it... pin 8 on the car loom (see pic of plug).  To test, insert it and switch ignition on... wheel lights should then illuminate

If all good, make it a more permanent connection, and bish bash bosh

   
Right got it  . . . . bish bash bosh        you know how I work then       Thanks . . . doing it tomorrow

Have edited my last

[powerslinky]

Cut it right at the plug. This dead end will then be safe. Then attach the tail (or loom side) of the cut wire to the red wire next to it... pin 8 on the car loom (see pic of plug).  To test, insert it and switch ignition on... wheel lights should then illuminate

If all good, make it a more permanent connection, and bish bash bosh

If it's easier, you could make the change at the Sony side of the loom... if you can bare to wait until Wycombe, I will gladly help with it

Sounds like the best idea me thinks   . . . cheers Al

[05omegav6]

Cut it right at the plug. This dead end will then be safe. Then attach the tail (or loom side) of the cut wire to the red wire next to it... pin 8 on the car loom (see pic of plug).  To test, insert it and switch ignition on... wheel lights should then illuminate

If all good, make it a more permanent connection, and bish bash bosh

If it's easier, you could make the change at the Sony side of the loom... if you can bare to wait until Wycombe, I will gladly help with it

Sounds like the best idea me thinks   . . . cheers Al

No worries 

[TheBoy]

Wooooowwww, hang on a sec!

The Sony HU will have a remote power on. The issue is with the adapter. We need to work around the adapter before we go cutting car looms!

[05omegav6]

Wooooowwww, hang on a sec!

The Sony HU will have a remote power on. The issue is with the adapter. We need to work around the adapter before we go cutting car looms!

Hence my suggestion of waiting to see it in the flesh rather than attacking the car

[VXL V6]

Wooooowwww, hang on a sec!

The Sony HU will have a remote power on. The issue is with the adapter. We need to work around the adapter before we go cutting car looms!

Yes, would agree, having had to repair looms which have been butchered with nothing left to solder too and insulate.

[05omegav6]

Wooooowwww, hang on a sec!

The Sony HU will have a remote power on. The issue is with the adapter. We need to work around the adapter before we go cutting car looms!

Yes, would agree, having had to repair looms which have been butchered with nothing left to solder too and insulate.

Ah yes a fellow ex plod owner

The adaptor loom ought to be easy enough to remove and tweak in order to avoid butchery

Re reading instructions for AN Other Sony HU, Pin 5 on the HU loom is powered antenna... this chucks out 12v when the tuner is selected...

Al, do the steering wheel controls illuminate when you're listening to the radio, but go out when listen to discs?

[powerslinky]

Wooooowwww, hang on a sec!

The Sony HU will have a remote power on. The issue is with the adapter. We need to work around the adapter before we go cutting car looms!

Yes, would agree, having had to repair looms which have been butchered with nothing left to solder too and insulate.

Ah yes a fellow ex plod owner

The adaptor loom ought to be easy enough to remove and tweak in order to avoid butchery

Re reading instructions for AN Other Sony HU, Pin 5 on the HU loom is powered antenna... this chucks out 12v when the tuner is selected...

Al, do the steering wheel controls illuminate when you're listening to the radio, but go out when listen to discs?

sorry Al  . . . cannot answer that now  . . . gone down with man flu & am in bed sweating it out

The lights are def not on in MD mode but will have to check the radio tomorrow  . .  feel to rough to get up

Not gonna attempt anything myself  . . .But will wait until you & the chaps have a look at Terbys meet

[powerslinky]

Wooooowwww, hang on a sec!

The Sony HU will have a remote power on. The issue is with the adapter. We need to work around the adapter before we go cutting car looms!

Yes, would agree, having had to repair looms which have been butchered with nothing left to solder too and insulate.

Ah yes a fellow ex plod owner

The adaptor loom ought to be easy enough to remove and tweak in order to avoid butchery

Re reading instructions for AN Other Sony HU, Pin 5 on the HU loom is powered antenna... this chucks out 12v when the tuner is selected...

Al, do the steering wheel controls illuminate when you're listening to the radio, but go out when listen to discs?

sorry Al  . . . cannot answer that now  . . . gone down with man flu & am in bed sweating it out

The lights are def not on in MD mode but will have to check the radio tomorrow  . .  feel to rough to get up

Not gonna attempt anything myself  . . .But will wait until you & the chaps have a look at Terbys meet

Right Taxi Al . . . No steering wheel control lights when in  mini disc mode   . . . 

BUT  . . .          YES . . . they are working when the radio is on  :y

[05omegav6]

That simplifies the issue... see/sort it in May

[powerslinky]

That simplifies the issue... see/sort it in May

Splendid 

[TheBoy]

BUT  . . .          YES . . . they are working when the radio is on  :y

rather Sony shite 

Is their an external amp remote power on function on the shitty HU? That's what you wanna used.

[VXL V6]

What about utilising the instrument / dashboard illumination power source? Especially as you won't be bothered about the controls illuminating in the daylight?

[TheBoy]

What about utilising the instrument / dashboard illumination power source? Especially as you won't be bothered about the controls illuminating in the daylight?

I thought that, but even a Sony must have an external amp remote power on. Surely. Even Sony.

[powerslinky]

What about utilising the instrument / dashboard illumination power source? Especially as you won't be bothered about the controls illuminating in the daylight?

I thought that, but even a Sony must have an external amp remote power on. Surely. Even Sony.

Don't worry chaps  . . .I will bring theHU  instuction booklet with me to Wycombe . . . then you can tell me 

[05omegav6]

BUT  . . .          YES . . . they are working when the radio is on  :y

rather Sony shite 

Is their an external amp remote power on function on the shitty HU? That's what you wanna used.

Chill out...The corresponding pin out to pin7 Rdwh on the car loom is the powered antenna outpolut from the HU... This is only powered when the tuner is selected, which is actually quite reasonable... Just needs connecting to 12v permanent/switched supply... No biggie

[TheBoy]

BUT  . . .          YES . . . they are working when the radio is on  :y

rather Sony shite 

Is their an external amp remote power on function on the shitty HU? That's what you wanna used.

Chill out...The corresponding pin out to pin7 Rdwh on the car loom is the powered antenna outpolut from the HU... This is only powered when the tuner is selected, which is actually quite reasonable... Just needs connecting to 12v permanent/switched supply... No biggie

My OCD wouldn't allow that sort of thing on one of mine

The HU should be able to do it.  Sony have once again dropped a bollock. But then we know they are mongrels of the highest order. Have they gone bust yet, or have they still got enough assets to last another year