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« on: 17 December 2007, 14:05:02 »Quote
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QuoteQuoteBut what about the new Job???
He has'nt got it yet..................should'nt make that much difference anyway, doubt they wwould want him starting before chrimbo, Anyway get well soon James, get the other half to pamper you for the next week
Even if I get it -
I will have to employ someone, and train them up to do my job, before I can even think about going over to Hosting
QuoteI have always had one rule......if I cant afford it, I dont buy it......and we have done without holidays etc as a result.The sentiments I live by as well.
The only exception is the mortgage.
I need credit cards to cover company expenses......
I'm sure you will get it sorted Martin
'it collapses the manifold vacuum allowing briefly for a richer mixture on the re-application of a trailing throttle - thus significantly improving throttle response - and it creates an element of off-throttle turbulence'
QuoteOverrun cutoff is a function of the main (petrol) ECU. It cuts fuel so the LPG system cuts fuel and unless possible with Tech 2 you can't turn it off.
When fiddling with James' install the overrun cutoff seemed to disengage well over idle speed after a blip. Probably at 1500 RPM or more so I doubt that's the issue.
It would be really nice to get some live data from the main ECU while mapping the LPG as that's the only way you'll get it spot on. If it's out, the petrol ECU will learn some new settings to put it back where it likes things, hence iot looks out again a few days later! Knowing what corrections the petrol ECU is applying is the key.
Kevin
Do you think if I bought a "Device" over that's capable of reading the live ECU data, we would have a sporting chance at getting it spot on, then?
Interesting. I don't think there's such an option with James' system. It certainly didn't seem to be causing problems when we mapped it, but with colder weather maybe so. I'd be surprised if the injector pipes made much difference. They can't fill with anything but vapour and the volume of vapour required to fire each cylinder once is probably well above that stored in the pipe, making the pipe length less relevant.QuoteOverrun cutoff is a function of the main (petrol) ECU. It cuts fuel so the LPG system cuts fuel and unless possible with Tech 2 you can't turn it off.
When fiddling with James' install the overrun cutoff seemed to disengage well over idle speed after a blip. Probably at 1500 RPM or more so I doubt that's the issue.
It would be really nice to get some live data from the main ECU while mapping the LPG as that's the only way you'll get it spot on. If it's out, the petrol ECU will learn some new settings to put it back where it likes things, hence iot looks out again a few days later! Knowing what corrections the petrol ECU is applying is the key.
Kevin
Yes but with mine you can control the over-run independently, presumably it has a baseline minimum idle fuelling duration that it won't go under unless the revs are above the over-run threshold, regardless of what the petrol system is doing. I think the problem with mine is that the injectors are mounted on the sides of the plenum, so although the pipes supplying the fuel are right next to the injectors, there seems to be a small delay in the fuel being re-applied after cut-off. Therefore the threshold RPM needs to be higher than that for petrol to prevent stalling.
As previously mentioned, newer systems are probably more sophisticated and can react more quickly, so perhaps this is no longer an issue. Even the latest LPG systems are still a lot less sophisticated than any modern petrol system though, so they are continuing to improve all the time -- I'm sure you know this with your experience in mapping petrol systems.This is true, but mainly due to the need to keep the petrol ECU in control of the engine. There are so many variants of engine control system, all doing other tasks such as controlling engine torque during automatic gearbox changes (sorry!), traction control, cruise, etc. that the gas system can't take total control over the fuelling. It acts as a mapping between injector times on petrol and injector times on LPG. Maybe that makes some functions, such as overrun cutoff, less optimal on LPG. The fact that your system has such a setting suggests it might. :-/