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[Varche]

Still in the fairly depressing mode of looking for a second car.

Today went and looked at a 2013 ford  focus estate 2.0 diesel 163 cv powershift. The model was the titanium version. Now i have always liked gadgets and a bit of luxury hence the Elite omegas in the past. What i did find a bit shocking is the salesman telling me it had this and that which were all standard on the Elite. Things like dipping interior mirror, folding manually wing mirrors. Sport mode, cruise control. No xenon lights but daylight leds. No memory drivers seat/mirror/wing mirrors. It did have bluetooth and a 12volt boot outlet. Computer on board yes, sat nav no. Automatic headlights in case you didnt spot it was lighting up time?  No sun roof. All this comparing a car fifteen years older.....

Reflecting on the demo of the golf estate recently where the owner set park assist and it kerbed the wheels twice in the successfull? attempt., maybe gadgets aren't  that important. Anyone find their car users like parking sensors? ( see how diplomatic I was there!)  what gadgets/features do you like?

[Viral_Jim]

My only must haves are heated seats, cruise control and a good stereo.

SWMBO likes park assist very much, we've never had the issue you had with the golf 

[Sir Tigger KC]

My Mondeo has front and rear parking sensors.  I've never been beeped at so much!!   

Oh and it's also the first car I had with electric folding mirrors, which is handy to be able to tuck them in at the press of a button. 

[Andy B]

My Mondeo has front and rear parking sensors.  I've never been beeped at so much!!   

Oh and it's also the first car I had with electric folding mirrors, which is handy to be able to tuck them in at the press of a button. 

Trouble with parking sensors front & back is that you become deaf to them continually beeping at you ..... I've even had a tree leap out  behind me ...... & I did hit it   
My mirrors fold when I lock it 

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

I like to have as many gadgets as possible, but I rarely use most of them. Its nice to know that I can if I want to though.
I know, I'm a weirdo. 

[New POD]

Today My wife put a deposit on a 61 reg Tekna Juke.  Gadgets galore. Inc Reversing camera.
Heated leather seats but no spare wheel.
I'm looking at 16 inch Duster steel wheels as I have a random 16 inch tyre in the garage. Juke has 17 inch wheels but I thought a 16 inch spare would be erm....fine ?

[Sir Tigger KC]

My Mondeo has front and rear parking sensors.  I've never been beeped at so much!!   

Oh and it's also the first car I had with electric folding mirrors, which is handy to be able to tuck them in at the press of a button. 

Trouble with parking sensors front & back is that you become deaf to them continually beeping at you ..... I've even had a tree leap out  behind me ...... & I did hit it   
My mirrors fold when I lock it 

Ooo get you!   

What if you don't want to fold the mirrors when you lock it though? 

[BazaJT]

Not that I'll be in a position to buy such new stuff,but I'm not one for gadgets in cars as most of them I don't really want or need.What gets me on some cars[newish Mercedes and the latest Fiesta for example]are these screen things on the dash.I dare say they  do a whole host of "important" stuff that's a must have these days,but they're just stuck there like they forgot to put it in until the last moment and not integrated into the dash at all.

[Doctor Gollum]

Today My wife put a deposit on a 61 reg Tekna Juke.  Gadgets galore. Inc Reversing camera.
Heated leather seats but no spare wheel.
I'm looking at 16 inch Duster steel wheels as I have a random 16 inch tyre in the garage. Juke has 17 inch wheels but I thought a 16 inch spare would be erm....fine ?

No accounting for taste

[TheBoy]

Varche, you need to remember that your old Omega was a top end motor, whereas the Focus is a small family car. A top end Focus from the Omega era had no goodies at all really.

As to Focus' park assist, one of the guys spec'd that on his new Focus a couple of years back, but never uses it, because unless you can park the QE2 in the space, it says its too small


Features I like on my current motor are cooled seats, keyless entry, blind spot monitoring, self dipping mirrors all round, rear electric blind, parking sensors all round with rear camera (X351 has dreadful rear visibility), and the sound system. I suspect as the cold weather starts, I'll soon be saying that heated steering wheels is a must have as well , but not used it yet other than to check it works. Gimmicks I could live without are all the touchless glovebox and interior lights.  I'll hold judgement on folding mirrors, as not convinced of their use.

The feature I *REALLY* miss from Omegas that is absent is the interior mirror is not on the memory system

[YZ250]

My Mondeo has front and rear parking sensors.  I've never been beeped at so much!!   

Oh and it's also the first car I had with electric folding mirrors, which is handy to be able to tuck them in at the press of a button. 

Trouble with parking sensors front & back is that you become deaf to them continually beeping at you ..... I've even had a tree leap out  behind me ...... & I did hit it   
My mirrors fold when I lock it 

Ooo get you!   

What if you don't want to fold the mirrors when you lock it though? 

On mine, you go in to the settings and un-tick the 'Fold mirrors when locking' option. You can still manually do it on the door button or the fob. 

[TheBoy]

My Mondeo has front and rear parking sensors.  I've never been beeped at so much!!   

Oh and it's also the first car I had with electric folding mirrors, which is handy to be able to tuck them in at the press of a button. 

Trouble with parking sensors front & back is that you become deaf to them continually beeping at you ..... I've even had a tree leap out  behind me ...... & I did hit it   
My mirrors fold when I lock it 

Ooo get you!   

What if you don't want to fold the mirrors when you lock it though? 

On mine, you go in to the settings and un-tick the 'Fold mirrors when locking' option. You can still manually do it on the door button or the fob. 

I think mine is a setting needing dealer diags equipment, which is a bit daft IMHO. Esp as my passenger one is getting lazy unfolding, so I'd probably be inclined not to fold when locking . And I bet a replacement mirror is the wrong side of £2k - I know the glass is well over £300

[Sir Tigger KC]

My Mondeo has front and rear parking sensors.  I've never been beeped at so much!!   

Oh and it's also the first car I had with electric folding mirrors, which is handy to be able to tuck them in at the press of a button. 

Trouble with parking sensors front & back is that you become deaf to them continually beeping at you ..... I've even had a tree leap out  behind me ...... & I did hit it   
My mirrors fold when I lock it 

Ooo get you!   

What if you don't want to fold the mirrors when you lock it though? 

On mine, you go in to the settings and un-tick the 'Fold mirrors when locking' option. You can still manually do it on the door button or the fob. 

I think mine is a setting needing dealer diags equipment, which is a bit daft IMHO. Esp as my passenger one is getting lazy unfolding, so I'd probably be inclined not to fold when locking . And I bet a replacement mirror is the wrong side of £2k - I know the glass is well over £300

That's what I was thinking, that with all that folding and unfolding they'd get tired. 

Poor things! 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

The good, the bad and the ugly.

18 way memory seats (except for driving mirror)
TPMS.....Total crap. Random messages. Pointless. Annoying.
Blind spot monitor.........serves a purpose. 
825 W sound system with 10CD onto hard drive.
Heated seats.....
Cooled seats......don't cool.
Keyless entry. Is there a point to this other than forgetting where the key is.
Reversing camera. Nice gimmick but...
Heated front screen.
Sat Nav. Sourced from Tandy in 1972.
Electric sunroof....I actually like it on this car because it is quiet.
Folding mirrors. Good idea, also lets you know that the car is locked.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

......cruise control.
ASL.....pointless.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

HID's only average. Should be LED or laser.

[TheBoy]

825 W sound system with 10CD onto hard drive.

But obviously the 1200W B&W is better .

But does a car need this. Really.

[TheBoy]

......cruise control.
ASL.....pointless.

I actually use both. Cruise for those tedious 50mph limits on motorways, to keep the cones safe. ASL in places like Bletchley where the ol' bill hide with their ray guns. Ensures I stick to, or below, the 30mph for those 2 miles.

[Sir Tigger KC]

Sat Nav. Sourced from Tandy in 1972.

Jag Sat Navs are crap! 

[TheBoy]

Keyless entry. Is there a point to this other than forgetting where the key is.

I wasn't taken with it at first, but now when I jump in other cars, I miss it.  I cart too much shite in and out of the office every day, saves having to fumble around for keys, as it just stays in my pocket or laptop bag

[TheBoy]

Sat Nav. Sourced from Tandy in 1972.

Jag Sat Navs are crap! 

People say same about Omega ones. They are fine. They do their job. And far better than portable units, as we all know deep down, but some don't like to admit. A human brain will usually be better, assuming an IQ in double figures (which rules most road users out).

Mine is "crap" in so much as the map is a million years old, and the earlier X351's had notoriously unresponsive touchscreens. Newer maps and better touchscreens are an easy upgrade, but the dual view screens like mine are find to source 2nd hand.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Keyless entry. Is there a point to this other than forgetting where the key is.

I wasn't taken with it at first, but now when I jump in other cars, I miss it.  I cart too much shite in and out of the office every day, saves having to fumble around for keys, as it just stays in my pocket or laptop bag

Ah....but one day when it's pissing down with rain and your hands are full to overflowing with crap from the office you'll find the  key is not in your pocket or laptop bag.

Mrs TB will have used the car and neglected to return it.

At this point with the rain turning to hail the whole of the south of England will turn blue with profanity and expletives.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

TB.....is your XJ finished in ultimate black? I have a Jaguar Lacquer and touch up stick left over from my old XFR if it's of any use.

[TheBoy]

Keyless entry. Is there a point to this other than forgetting where the key is.

I wasn't taken with it at first, but now when I jump in other cars, I miss it.  I cart too much shite in and out of the office every day, saves having to fumble around for keys, as it just stays in my pocket or laptop bag

Ah....but one day when it's pissing down with rain and your hands are full to overflowing with crap from the office you'll find the  key is not in your pocket or laptop bag.

Mrs TB will have used the car and neglected to return it.

At this point with the rain turning to hail the whole of the south of England will turn blue with profanity and expletives.

She has her own key to lose

[TheBoy]

TB.....is your XJ finished in ultimate black? I have a Jaguar Lacquer and touch up stick left over from my old XFR if it's of any use.

Errr, its black.  Let me check TOPix later and see

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

825 W sound system with 10CD onto hard drive.

But obviously the 1200W B&W is better .

But does a car need this. Really.

No. I don't believe they are 1200 proper watts anyway. Some method of measurement must have changed. Years ago I used a Marshall 100w guitar amp in a small hall. It cracked one of the windows, and people from over a quarter of a mile away complained about the noise. We had proper watts in the 70,s. 

[Andy B]

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On mine, you go in to the settings and un-tick the 'Fold mirrors when locking' option. You can still manually do it on the door button or the fob. 

Likewise. Though I found that if I lock the car with the passenger door open, the mirrors stay put when I lock it, then I shut the passenger door. Handy for when I have towing mirrors fitted.

[Andy B]

My Mondeo has front and rear parking sensors.  I've never been beeped at so much!!   

Oh and it's also the first car I had with electric folding mirrors, which is handy to be able to tuck them in at the press of a button. 

Trouble with parking sensors front & back is that you become deaf to them continually beeping at you ..... I've even had a tree leap out  behind me ...... & I did hit it   
My mirrors fold when I lock it 

Ooo get you!   

What if you don't want to fold the mirrors when you lock it though? 

On mine, you go in to the settings and un-tick the 'Fold mirrors when locking' option. You can still manually do it on the door button or the fob. 

I think mine is a setting needing dealer diags equipment, which is a bit daft IMHO. Esp as my passenger one is getting lazy unfolding, so I'd probably be inclined not to fold when locking . And I bet a replacement mirror is the wrong side of £2k - I know the glass is well over £300

That's what I was thinking, that with all that folding and unfolding they'd get tired. 

Poor things! 

It's not unheard of for wiring on Mercs to break due to repeated opening & closing

[Andy B]

.....
The feature I *REALLY* miss from Omegas that is absent is the interior mirror is not on the memory system

I believe its the same on some very very expensive Mercs too ..... all for the sake of a few quid of electrickery

[Doctor Gollum]

.....
The feature I *REALLY* miss from Omegas that is absent is the interior mirror is not on the memory system

I believe its the same on some very very expensive Mercs too ..... all for the sake of a few quid of electrickery

W140 is a case in point... Early cars interior mirror is fully electric with memory, face lift cars aren't even on memory...

[2boxerdogs]

My Merc has all the options available except for a sunroof very rarely use any of them , everything still in working order at almost 18 years old , did think of getting an up to date sat nav disc for it but very rarely go anywhere I haven't been before.

[dbug]

My Mondeo has front and rear parking sensors.  I've never been beeped at so much!!   

Oh and it's also the first car I had with electric folding mirrors, which is handy to be able to tuck them in at the press of a button. 

Trouble with parking sensors front & back is that you become deaf to them continually beeping at you ..... I've even had a tree leap out  behind me ...... & I did hit it   
My mirrors fold when I lock it 

Ooo get you!   

What if you don't want to fold the mirrors when you lock it though? 

On mine, you go in to the settings and un-tick the 'Fold mirrors when locking' option. You can still manually do it on the door button or the fob. 

I think mine is a setting needing dealer diags equipment, which is a bit daft IMHO. Esp as my passenger one is getting lazy unfolding, so I'd probably be inclined not to fold when locking . And I bet a replacement mirror is the wrong side of £2k - I know the glass is well over £300

Pop the cover off with a thin bladed knife, clear the crud out, and liberally lubricate 
I've no issues so far on mine, but had to do this on my old X350 Jaaaaag - once done all ok.

[Mutha Jugs n Speed]

Still going to keep my Omegas......better the devil you know

[Mr Gav]

My Nissan has just the right amount of gadgets for me 

Bose stereo, heated seats, cruise control and speed limiter, decent satnav, colour reversing camera, voice activated bluetooth connectivity and folding door mirrors (push button)

I pretty much use everything and can`t think of anything else that I need.

 

[Andy B]

My Nissan has just the right amount of gadgets for me 

Bose stereo, heated seats, cruise control and speed limiter, decent satnav, colour reversing camera, voice activated bluetooth connectivity and folding door mirrors (push button)

I pretty much use everything and can`t think of anything else that I need.

Including a 3rd pedal 

[Mr Gav]

My Nissan has just the right amount of gadgets for me 

Bose stereo, heated seats, cruise control and speed limiter, decent satnav, colour reversing camera, voice activated bluetooth connectivity and folding door mirrors (push button)

I pretty much use everything and can`t think of anything else that I need.

Including a 3rd pedal 

That is a necessity not a desirable gadget 

[Andy B]

My Nissan has just the right amount of gadgets for me 

Bose stereo, heated seats, cruise control and speed limiter, decent satnav, colour reversing camera, voice activated bluetooth connectivity and folding door mirrors (push button)

I pretty much use everything and can`t think of anything else that I need.

Including a 3rd pedal 

That is a necessity not a desirable gadget 

Can t  be. None of our cars have one .... 

[TheBoy]

.....
The feature I *REALLY* miss from Omegas that is absent is the interior mirror is not on the memory system

I believe its the same on some very very expensive Mercs too ..... all for the sake of a few quid of electrickery

Bro's S type lacks said feature as well, but he said none of his cars have ever had it (Beemers)

[TheBoy]

My Mondeo has front and rear parking sensors.  I've never been beeped at so much!!   

Oh and it's also the first car I had with electric folding mirrors, which is handy to be able to tuck them in at the press of a button. 

Trouble with parking sensors front & back is that you become deaf to them continually beeping at you ..... I've even had a tree leap out  behind me ...... & I did hit it   
My mirrors fold when I lock it 

Ooo get you!   

What if you don't want to fold the mirrors when you lock it though? 

On mine, you go in to the settings and un-tick the 'Fold mirrors when locking' option. You can still manually do it on the door button or the fob. 

I think mine is a setting needing dealer diags equipment, which is a bit daft IMHO. Esp as my passenger one is getting lazy unfolding, so I'd probably be inclined not to fold when locking . And I bet a replacement mirror is the wrong side of £2k - I know the glass is well over £300

Pop the cover off with a thin bladed knife, clear the crud out, and liberally lubricate 
I've no issues so far on mine, but had to do this on my old X350 Jaaaaag - once done all ok.

Yeah, still not done that, despite the encouragement you gave me on another site .  I need to replace the passenger door locking solenoid first, as that's even more annoying .

I might come back to you for more detailed description of how to do the mirror, if that's OK with you?