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[Rods2]

"Expert who co-authored a detailed report for Britain’s Department of Health (1999) into London’s traffic pollution pours cold water on Mayor of London Sadiq Khan’s latest push to ban diesel cars."

"Dismayed that Mayor Khan is either scientifically ill-informed or more likely pursuing a tax raising strategy by deceit, Hoskins emphasized that since the publication of his 1999 report  “new diesel technologies have substantially reduced the problem.”Hoskin adds, “NOx chemically breaks down within a day or so and thus rapidly disappears as a pollutant.”"

"Rather than seeking to whip up yet another bogus environmental scare story Hoskins urges political figures like London’s Mayor Khan to take a balanced view of the proven scientific evidence."

https://principia-scientific.org/londons-latest-diesel-traffic-pollution-scare-exposed/

Who would have guessed that a Liebour tree hugging politician would use fake news to raise taxes, where they can always spend waste our hard earned money, rather than letting us better spend it ourselves.

[STEMO]

It’s only southern softies who will have to pay it, they can well afford it. 

[BazaJT]

A politician "cherry picking" to suit their own agenda?Well golly who'd have thunked it

[Varche]

NOx breaks down in a day?

Msybe but it is being replaced at an ever greater rate. More cars and crucially more jams.

Not trying to be a tree hugger .

[STEMO]

NOx breaks down in a day?

Msybe but it is being replaced at an ever greater rate. More cars and crucially more jams.

Not trying to be a tree hugger .

You are talking perfect sense, Varche. I gave up on the dinosaurs that frequent car forums a long time ago.

[Bigron]

A politician "cherry picking" to suit their own agenda?Well golly who'd have thunked it

Is my memory deceiving me or did our beloved former PM promice to "end the war on the motorist"? Mea culpa for believing a politician's promise! 

Ron.

[Lizzie Zoom]

So an "expert" reckons, in so many words, that the statements about diesel vehicles causing too much pollution are far fetched.

Has that expert really been in a city like London, like average people like me,and witnessed the filthy exhaust fumes of the diesel busses and lorries, let alone the fumes from all vehicles?

So he reckons no one is taking properly into account the "benefits" of our transport in a city like London. Benefits?!  What children having breathing issues, let alone adults suffering early onset of health issues is a benefit?  London failing to meet international standards of limiting pollution that you CAN see let alone smell in the air is a "benefit"?

This prat no doubt would have said the same about the "benefits" of steam trains, coal fires, and coal fed polluting industry that regularly gave London it's killer smogs in the 1950's that I witnessed as a child every time we visited my East Ender Nan. The "benefits" to life and industry, like cigarettes, in the 1950's that killed tens of thousands. It was then that brave politicians, like the Mayor of London now, that stood up and forced through the Clean Air Act and gave everyone a kinder environment than we had ever known before.

Yes, we love our vehicles, just like I love steam railway engines, but I am intelligent enough to know the time has come for major changes again to our modes of transport. Only the dinasours, living in the past, will complain about what the Mayor is trying to do.

[Doctor Gollum]

Don't tell me, you resumé includes polution studies with political prejudice...

[Sir Tigger KC]

Think of the poor little children. 

[Rods2]

So an "expert" reckons, in so many words, that the statements about diesel vehicles causing too much pollution are far fetched.

Has that expert really been in a city like London, like average people like me,and witnessed the filthy exhaust fumes of the diesel busses and lorries, let alone the fumes from all vehicles?

So he reckons no one is taking properly into account the "benefits" of our transport in a city like London. Benefits?!  What children having breathing issues, let alone adults suffering early onset of health issues is a benefit?  London failing to meet international standards of limiting pollution that you CAN see let alone smell in the air is a "benefit"?

This prat no doubt would have said the same about the "benefits" of steam trains, coal fires, and coal fed polluting industry that regularly gave London it's killer smogs in the 1950's that I witnessed as a child every time we visited my East Ender Nan. The "benefits" to life and industry, like cigarettes, in the 1950's that killed tens of thousands. It was then that brave politicians, like the Mayor of London now, that stood up and forced through the Clean Air Act and gave everyone a kinder environment than we had ever known before.

Yes, we love our vehicles, just like I love steam railway engines, but I am intelligent enough to know the time has come for major changes again to our modes of transport. Only the dinasours, living in the past, will complain about what the Mayor is trying to do.

Typical socialist snowflake answer from somebody who seems to fall hook line and sinker for every political soundbite and tree-hugger lobbying false narrative and that is why I deliberately pick up and write on here contrary (and often unfashionable) views on things to add balance, make people think in this false consensual propaganda driven sheeple world.

Now I know facts are awkward tricky things in this post-fact, fake news, daily sound bite world but BEFORE I believe or write on a subject I do something unfashionable I FACT CHECK, so here are the pollution facts from the DEFRA website, if you look at the charts apart from NOX which has stayed about the same ALL other air pollution levels have fallen. The reason the opposite is reported is that this is the EU narrative, very much driven by the powerful hard left-wing German green lobby. By far the biggest form of fatal air pollution that on average affects 1 in 4 adults and knocks on average 10 years off their lives in the UK is a very expensive voluntary bad habit called smoking.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/610927/Air_Quality_National_Statistic_apr17_FINAL.pdf

For somebody that claims to be an academic, I suggest you apply a bit more of it, before dissing knowledgeable experts views on things unless you have written your own peer-reviewed papers on pollution that proves otherwise, if so, please enlighten us by placing the links to them on here?

[Andy B]

Was it here that I first saw this ...... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/how_toxic_is_your_car_exhaust    it's not what you'd first expect.

Emissions are what they want them to be ...... 

[Lizzie Zoom]

Oh yes, now the personal digs and insults when someone challenges your post!

Of all the millions who now recognise we must do far more to protective us, our cities and our planet, you are still prepared to insult those of us who hold that view after MUCH ACADEMIC reading.  You are not the only one who can study and read; many of us can and have studied far more than "evidence" you produce in this post.  That is why very learned leaders across the world are doing what they can to reduce pollution.  But of course on this car forum that counts for nothing!

Don't start a thread Rod and expect everyone to just blindly nod agreement with you, and when they argue throw insults.

[Doctor Gollum]

Don't tell me, you resumé includes polution studies without political prejudice...

Edited to correct autocorrelation

[Lizzie Zoom]

......Oh, just one more point Rod, never try and pretend you ever present an unbiased view supported by nothing but researched fact.  You do not, and your view, as in this thread is never "balanced".  You act as though you are presenting a lecture at Oxford, and not in reality to a very small "audience" on a car forum, so stop the "from a high" intellectual stance you try to cut with the condescending tone.

[Doctor Gollum]

Mr Pot, meet Mr Kettle