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[Nick W]

Yes it is strange-had a look under my Senator and that's the same.

Steve

They're all like that.


Modern ones are no different: the pump is in the tank, and the filter in the supply line.

[cam.in.head]

Yeah all standard stuff. Also theres no other way of fitting it wrong either because the pump inlet is large bore just like the tank outlet (12mm if i recal) and everything else is 8mm.if the pump doeasnt work now you have got it out and on a bench with a supply to it then it just sounds like a faulty pump and a new one should sort it.

[Steve Brookman]

New one should be here tomorrow.

I replaced the kaput one about 15 months ago-wonder if the end of the pickup with the gauze has dropped off.

Steve

[cam.in.head]

Its possible but ive never seen it happen.i think if i remember correctly its a metal gauze in a type of "sock shape! On the end of the pick up pipe .if you remove tank unit to check be carefull with the rubber gasket.(it should be re usesble thou) and watch out for the sender unit earth spade. It 99.9% of the time is so corroded that it breaks off.many a cause of fuel level guage innacuracies.if it does break off you can either solder a wire to the remaining metal or put a eye lug on one of the mounting bolts. Or if you dont want to dissturb tank at all manta gte coupes were fitted with an inline tank filter .plastic canister with 12mm hose stubs.if you can find one.

[Steve Brookman]

Thanks Chris,
May have to take sender out eventually as the petrol gauge has stopped working-shorting out the lead gets it to max-so must be sender.
Will have a look for one of those filters.

Thanks again

Steve

[cam.in.head]

It may be the sender but in my experience its the earth wire on the sender that fails due to rust on the totally exposed earth spade connection.if you are not disturbing the tank i would reccomend removing the earth spade .cleaning up whats left of the terminal(you dont need much)and soldering a lead directly to it. Create a nice new clean earth screw under the floor somewhere and that should fix it.

[Steve Brookman]

Back up and running-was the pump-so maybe debris in the tank or a dodgy pump.

Nowhere near as refined as the Senator-but bloody fast!!

Steve

[cam.in.head]

Just out of curiosity .you have a series 1 senator and royale ? Both 3 litre ? Untill the later b series came out in 87 they remained pretty much similar mechanically. Yet you say they are both very different. What are the differences as in standard form ive had these cars from the mid eighties and not. NOticed any drastic differences performance or comfort wise from any of the models from 1979 up until 1986. ( in standard form )

[BazaJT]

Were the diff ratios different Royale coupe to Senator?If so the fact he's got a 4sp box in the Royale may make a difference?Wouldn't have thought there'd be a deal in it to be honest,but obviously SB notices the change.The only difference;if such there was]between the Senator and the Monza I had was the Senator seemed to me more stable in cross winds and for whatever reason I always preferred driving the Senator.

[Steve Brookman]

The Royale has a later engine and box from a Monza-when I mention comfort, the Royale is far noisier-especially wind noise (seems to be from passenger window-will have a look!) and a little harsher on the suspension.

The Senator is muck quieter and has a far softer ride.

Performance wise-the Royale is quick-it may be the gearing-in 4th its doing 25mph per 1000rpm-I did read that some later Senators were near 30mph per 1000rpm-so shorter diff?

When I say quick -it's quicker than an Omega 3.0 I once had and quicker than a 2.8i Capri.

Senator is no slouch-but slower off the mark-although when kicking down you have to be careful around 40mph as it will drop into 1st.

Steve

[cam.in.head]

It may be that the firmer car has non gm springs or shocks fitted.who knows whats been changed in the past. The original senator and royale equivalent were pretty identical when new.not having a brochure to hand i dont think there was an option for heavy duty rear suspension ? So they should be very much the same. Are they both saloons ? . The coupe was a bit more known for wind noise and also a slight difference with the early vs later door mirror design could add to this ? .obviously there could be differences between the engines as well due to age or maintenance . Either way they are great cars and very comfy. Helped by the seats no doubt or tyre choice etc. Nice to know you got it running again .thats good news and did you experiment with the sender unit earth lead ?

[Steve Brookman]

Thanks Chris,
The Royale is a coupe.

Had a quick fiddle-but it was raining and I was trying to get the pump on-. Next weekend I'll get it up on the ramps in the garage and check the sender.

Cheers

Steve

[Steve Brookman]

Swapping the Royale over with the Senator for weekend duties. Senator used most weekdays-Royale weekends.