Topic: Omega diesels and the future... (Read 3502 times)

Mr Lucky · « **on:** 14 February 2018, 12:02:32 »

I am currently in the search for a decent Omega diesel auto estate. However as I do more research and look into both Omegas and diesels I am starting to shy away from them. The reason for this sudden bout of cold feet? The new MOT test requirements and government hatred of diesels as shown by the latest news on increased vehicle tax.

I'm seeing a lot of decatted cars and cars with particulate filters removed, cars with performance exhaust systems on them too. Will this new legislation be the death knell for secondhand diesels and will we see the price of cat-back exhausts shoot up?

I am starting to think about a decent petrol auto estate with LPG...

Field Marshal Dr. Opti · « **Reply #1 on:** 14 February 2018, 12:45:44 »

Quote from: Mr Lucky on 14 February 2018, 12:02:32

I am currently in the search for a decent Omega diesel auto estate. However as I do more research and look into both Omegas and diesels I am starting to shy away from them. The reason for this sudden bout of cold feet? The new MOT test requirements and government hatred of diesels as shown by the latest news on increased vehicle tax.

I'm seeing a lot of decatted cars and cars with particulate filters removed, cars with performance exhaust systems on them too. Will this new legislation be the death knell for secondhand diesels and will we see the price of cat-back exhausts shoot up?

I am starting to think about a decent petrol auto estate with LPG...

Wise man.

Kevin Wood · « **Reply #2 on:** 14 February 2018, 12:56:20 »

If you're looking at an Omega, all the diesel models are a poor option in comparison to an LPG'd petrol model, assuming LPG is available in your area, IMHO.

Field Marshal Dr. Opti · « **Reply #3 on:** 14 February 2018, 12:59:07 »

Quote from: Mr Lucky on 14 February 2018, 12:02:32

I am currently in the search for a decent Omega diesel auto estate. However as I do more research and look into both Omegas and diesels I am starting to shy away from them. The reason for this sudden bout of cold feet? The new MOT test requirements and government hatred of diesels as shown by the latest news on increased vehicle tax.

I'm seeing a lot of decatted cars and cars with particulate filters removed, cars with performance exhaust systems on them too. Will this new legislation be the death knell for secondhand diesels and will we see the price of cat-back exhausts shoot up?

I am starting to think about a decent petrol auto estate with LPG...

Yep.....derv is dead in the water........although nearly every main dealer will say otherwise primarily because they have a shit load of 'lorry fuel' cars hanging around that they need to be shot of.

tunnie · « **Reply #4 on:** 14 February 2018, 13:15:36 »

Quote from: Mr Lucky on 14 February 2018, 12:02:32

I am currently in the search for a decent Omega diesel auto estate. However as I do more research and look into both Omegas and diesels I am starting to shy away from them. The reason for this sudden bout of cold feet? The new MOT test requirements and government hatred of diesels as shown by the latest news on increased vehicle tax.

I'm seeing a lot of decatted cars and cars with particulate filters removed, cars with performance exhaust systems on them too. Will this new legislation be the death knell for secondhand diesels and will we see the price of cat-back exhausts shoot up?

I am starting to think about a decent petrol auto estate with LPG...

Omega, Diesel and Auto means you can only get 2.5 TD BMW lump, which was only briefly in the facelift version and dropped in 2000. So youngest example you are looking at will be 17/18 years old.

Given the power output and the AR25 box, most now will be very tired even if you are lucky enough to find one.

Quote from: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 14 February 2018, 12:59:07

Quote from: Mr Lucky on 14 February 2018, 12:02:32
I am currently in the search for a decent Omega diesel auto estate. However as I do more research and look into both Omegas and diesels I am starting to shy away from them. The reason for this sudden bout of cold feet? The new MOT test requirements and government hatred of diesels as shown by the latest news on increased vehicle tax.

I'm seeing a lot of decatted cars and cars with particulate filters removed, cars with performance exhaust systems on them too. Will this new legislation be the death knell for secondhand diesels and will we see the price of cat-back exhausts shoot up?

I am starting to think about a decent petrol auto estate with LPG...

Yep.....derv is dead in the water........although nearly every main dealer will say otherwise primarily because they have a shit load of 'lorry fuel' cars hanging around that they need to be shot of.

So bargins to be had

Omega VT3000 · « **Reply #5 on:** 14 February 2018, 13:18:50 »

Not sure any Omega diesel had a DPF though?

tunnie · « **Reply #6 on:** 14 February 2018, 13:22:02 »

Quote from: Omega VT3000 on 14 February 2018, 13:18:50

Not sure any Omega diesel had a DPF though?

No they didn't.

Field Marshal Dr. Opti · « **Reply #7 on:** 14 February 2018, 14:19:27 »

Quote from: tunnie on 14 February 2018, 13:15:36

Quote from: Mr Lucky on 14 February 2018, 12:02:32
I am currently in the search for a decent Omega diesel auto estate. However as I do more research and look into both Omegas and diesels I am starting to shy away from them. The reason for this sudden bout of cold feet? The new MOT test requirements and government hatred of diesels as shown by the latest news on increased vehicle tax.

I'm seeing a lot of decatted cars and cars with particulate filters removed, cars with performance exhaust systems on them too. Will this new legislation be the death knell for secondhand diesels and will we see the price of cat-back exhausts shoot up?

I am starting to think about a decent petrol auto estate with LPG...

Omega, Diesel and Auto means you can only get 2.5 TD BMW lump, which was only briefly in the facelift version and dropped in 2000. So youngest example you are looking at will be 17/18 years old.

Given the power output and the AR25 box, most now will be very tired even if you are lucky enough to find one.

Quote from: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 14 February 2018, 12:59:07
Quote from: Mr Lucky on 14 February 2018, 12:02:32
I am currently in the search for a decent Omega diesel auto estate. However as I do more research and look into both Omegas and diesels I am starting to shy away from them. The reason for this sudden bout of cold feet? The new MOT test requirements and government hatred of diesels as shown by the latest news on increased vehicle tax.

I'm seeing a lot of decatted cars and cars with particulate filters removed, cars with performance exhaust systems on them too. Will this new legislation be the death knell for secondhand diesels and will we see the price of cat-back exhausts shoot up?

I am starting to think about a decent petrol auto estate with LPG...

Yep.....derv is dead in the water........although nearly every main dealer will say otherwise primarily because they have a shit load of 'lorry fuel' cars hanging around that they need to be shot of.

So bargins to be had

If I could buy a car running on dumper truck fuel for literally 'buttons'.......perhaps I could be tempted to use it as a 'don't give a shit about it' workhorse.

It would need to be beyond cheap though.

cam.in.head · « **Reply #8 on:** 14 February 2018, 16:00:41 »

it depends on what you are used to of course but ive never found my 2.6 to be particularly bad on fuel and my brothers 2.5 v6 is even better. i can easily manage 100 mile out of £20 which is good by my book.he can manage 110-115. my other cars with the cam in head cast iron engine (2litre/2.2)get around 75 miles .around town. better on runs of course. yes small modern euroboxes will probably triple that but thats the price for luxury driving.

zirk · « **Reply #9 on:** 14 February 2018, 16:39:25 »

Dont get a 2.5TD Auto, there rubbish on mpg, 3.2 Auto or 3.0 Manual with LPG is the way to go.

Migv6 le Frog Fan · « **Reply #10 on:** 14 February 2018, 17:49:05 »

Quote from: zirk on 14 February 2018, 16:39:25

Dont get a 2.5TD Auto, there rubbish on mpg, 3.2 Auto or 3.0 Manual with LPG is the way to go.

Although they will run on a 50/50 mixture of diesel and vegoil. Which doubles the mpg figure.

zirk · « **Reply #11 on:** 14 February 2018, 18:05:13 »

BazaJT · « **Reply #12 on:** 14 February 2018, 18:39:00 »

Would the Omega be affected by this new legislation?Are the new rules that retrospective?

Mr Lucky · « **Reply #13 on:** 14 February 2018, 20:15:43 »

I posted this response in the wrong thread (because I am a dumbass!) but I'll say it again here.

I am a fan of LPG, having owned 3 LPG cars in the past. LPG around here is available. However the cost of conversion is prohibitive and would probably cost me again what I would pay for the Omega.

I would like an Elite estate with an auto box. I reckon 1.5 to 2k to buy. Then another 1.5k-2k for the LPG. Its going to hurt the purse and I won't see the benefits for many moons.

£1700 will get me a lot of unleaded.

It seems LPG would still cost me about a grand if I did it myself and to be honest, although I'm not a bad home mechanic I don't think I am anywhere near the standard required to fit an LPG kit...

BazaJT · « **Reply #14 on:** 14 February 2018, 20:45:42 »

I don't know if there are any in your neck of the woods,but I believe some on here have done their own installs of LPG,perhaps they could advize?

Diamond Black Geezer · « **Reply #15 on:** 14 February 2018, 22:31:15 »

Owned both the 2.5s... diesel and petrol

Personal experience says I got the pair to do 'about' the same mpg... though in reality of course the V6 gets driven with a lighter right foot, the Turbo Weasel you could drive with the throttle either 'on' or 'off' and really hammer it round town without hurting the wallet as much.

Definite 'punch' of torque as to be expected with diesels (and turbo's cars in general) versus the petrol's more progressive, but relentless acceleration. Seemed the TD was constantly running out of steam (again, as with Diesels you have a narrow power/torque band)

Then again, there's a bit less maintenance on the Derv. If the TD is an AK47, the V6 is a Birmingham-made shotgun.

78bex · « **Reply #16 on:** 14 February 2018, 23:55:05 »

Gorden Brown honestly believed the diesel engine was a greener option for everyone

Apparently he got the inspiration to award tax breaks for diesels following a long train journey

https://youtu.be/m8HGtibUMCc?t=39s

The above statement is utter bollix

but I`m a fan of the class 37

Kevin Wood · « **Reply #17 on:** 15 February 2018, 10:15:30 »

That appears to have been fitted with a TheBoy patented "binary throttle".

aaronjb · « **Reply #18 on:** 15 February 2018, 10:28:25 »

I particularly like the foot high flames

Marks DTM Calib · « **Reply #19 on:** 15 February 2018, 11:16:56 »

Quote from: 78bex on 14 February 2018, 23:55:05

Gorden Brown honestly believed the diesel engine was a greener option for everyone

Apparently he got the inspiration to award tax breaks for diesels following a long train journey

https://youtu.be/m8HGtibUMCc?t=39s

The above statement is utter bollix but I`m a fan of the class 37

You get what you measure, the targets were based on CO2 emissions and nothing else hence diesels perform better on that level, consider particulates and NOx and they are worse.....until you get to Euro 6 standards where the CO2 is half, the particulates all but zero and the NOx roughly the same.

So the tax on new diesels is a farce....as they are equal to (and better on the CO2 score) than the modern petrol.....but our leaders like a bandwagon.

You have my commiserations on being a tractor fan

Kevin Wood · « **Reply #20 on:** 15 February 2018, 11:26:44 »

Quote from: Fuse 19 on 15 February 2018, 11:16:56

Quote from: 78bex on 14 February 2018, 23:55:05
Gorden Brown honestly believed the diesel engine was a greener option for everyone

Apparently he got the inspiration to award tax breaks for diesels following a long train journey

https://youtu.be/m8HGtibUMCc?t=39s

The above statement is utter bollix but I`m a fan of the class 37

You get what you measure, the targets were based on CO2 emissions and nothing else hence diesels perform better on that level, consider particulates and NOx and they are worse.....until you get to Euro 6 standards where the CO2 is half, the particulates all but zero and the NOx roughly the same. *

So the tax on new diesels is a farce....as they are equal to (and better on the CO2 score) than the modern petrol.....but our leaders like a bandwagon.

You have my commiserations on being a tractor fan

* - When tested using the "right EU test cycle" and while all the emission controls are still working (which might not be long on the average chelsea tractor on the school run).

Marks DTM Calib · « **Reply #21 on:** 15 February 2018, 11:32:35 »

The SCR process seems pretty effective and consistent on the diesels is good IF the car is not used repeatedly for short journeys (the cat has to be hot to work).

Like you say, not so effective on the school run but, the petrol equivalent also suffers with emission failures under the same scenario.

But, if you have a modern diesel for short journeys then it wont last long anyway

Kevin Wood · « **Reply #22 on:** 15 February 2018, 11:42:40 »

Yep. Maybe one day the car industry marketeers will embrace the elephant in the room and confess that you actually need one type of car for the school run, another for the commute, and yet another for long journeys, especially if you have a pikey van.

Kevin Wood · « **Reply #23 on:** 15 February 2018, 11:43:35 »

Oh, and another to have any kind of fun in, until it becomes illegal....

TheBoy · « **Reply #24 on:** 15 February 2018, 18:12:26 »

Quote from: Diamond Black Geezer on 14 February 2018, 22:31:15

Owned both the 2.5s... diesel and petrol

Personal experience says I got the pair to do 'about' the same mpg... though in reality of course the V6 gets driven with a lighter right foot, the Turbo Weasel you could drive with the throttle either 'on' or 'off' and really hammer it round town without hurting the wallet as much.

Definite 'punch' of torque as to be expected with diesels (and turbo's cars in general) versus the petrol's more progressive, but relentless acceleration. Seemed the TD was constantly running out of steam (again, as with Diesels you have a narrow power/torque band)

Then again, there's a bit less maintenance on the Derv. If the TD is an AK47, the V6 is a Birmingham-made shotgun.

There is a simple cure for a TD's lack of progress. It has about 32 pins, and will break the AR25 within miles

My old tractor was a hoot, though, and I do miss it. I don't miss the constant rear tyre replacements though

Omegatoy · « **Reply #25 on:** 15 February 2018, 20:32:43 »

;Di If i coould find a decent condition TD Estate

with not to much rust would buy it tomorrow, they will outlast petrol with regular servicing and a few upgrades to suspension engine etc all easily carried out,
My old one is still running around abroad,cracking cars

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