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[zirk]

Dont particularity like Trump, but well done , Our PM needs a good kick up the rear.

[Nick W]

Chicken used to be a treat for the middle class and an 'aspiration only' for the working class.

Now chicken is for everybody. About £3-£4 for a medium sized bird.

I recently found out that the staple diet of the poor in London during the Victorian period was oysters. It came as a surprise to me.

and salmon, there was a legal limit how many times a week the workers could be few cheap salmon,

only after the apprentices went on strike to complain about it.

[Lizzie Zoom]

Dont particularity like Trump, but well done , Our PM needs a good kick up the rear.

Yes.  Let us vote in Trump as our President

He certainly seems to get things done!

[Rods2]

Chicken used to be a treat for the middle class and an 'aspiration only' for the working class.

Now chicken is for everybody. About £3-£4 for a medium sized bird.

I recently found out that the staple diet of the poor in London during the Victorian period was oysters. It came as a surprise to me.

4 to 7.50 euros here. Supermarkets in the countryside cannot get away with selling the mass produced tasteless rubbish.


Fish too used to be cheap source of protein for the working class. My dad won't eat anything that sifts sewage for a living. Seems reasonable

.................and Eel pie became part of the staple East, and South East London diet during the early Victorian period, with hundreds of "pie men" walking the streets whilst plying their trade.  Pie n' mash shops gradually took over from the 1850's.

Eel was popular because it came out of the Thames that was by then highly polluted with little in the way of fish surviving, but the eel did!  Like oysters, they were readily available and cheap.  The Victorian poor though generally, in and outside London, relied heavily on bread and potatoes, with cheese when they could afford it.  It was not until the late 1800's that due to the food 'necessities' becoming about 30% cheaper, that the poor started to have a better and wider diet, with meat included.  But, if you had no money, no job, and in those days no welfare state to help you, you would go days without any food apart from that scrounged or stolen.. Hard times indeed!

The jelly the eels were within also kept them fresh for longer as this was before refrigeration. Refrigerated ships in the 1880s made meat cheaper and more plentiful where it was shipped from Australia and New Zealand. This continued until traitor Heath took us into the EU in the 1970s and will hopefully start again depending upon what Remoaner & traitor May does in trying to keep us as a province and vassel state of imperial Brussels.

[Sir Tigger KC]

Yes....if the 'limp dick' version of Brexit happens then no trade deal with the U.S.

Are you looking forward then to cheap out of date Chicken washed in Chlorine or beef reared to poorer European standards?

If you look at where the chicken in ready meals and other processed chicken products comes from, you'll find that it's often from Thailand. 

I'm sure that the chickens are raised according to exacting EU standards and that the meat is of the highest quality. 

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

The chickens might be but I don't think the regulations apply to seagulls. 

[STEMO]

Yes....if the 'limp dick' version of Brexit happens then no trade deal with the U.S.

Are you looking forward then to cheap out of date Chicken washed in Chlorine or beef reared to poorer European standards?

If you look at where the chicken in ready meals and other processed chicken products comes from, you'll find that it's often from Thailand. 

I'm sure that the chickens are raised according to exacting EU standards and that the meat is of the highest quality. 

The Coop uses only British meat ............it says. 

[STEMO]

Anyway....I used to eat chinkies when it was quite usual to find a skinned Alsatian in the freezer, and local cats went missing. Never did me any harm. A curry is a curry, mate. 

[BazaJT]

In fairness Rods Heath  didn't take us into the EU he took us into the EEC which has over time steadily morphed into the EU which in turn if it continues will steadily morph into the German Empire.

[Rods2]

EU regulations allow chlorine washed pre-prepared salad and vegetables, so all the people too lazy to prepare salad and veg are probably already so ill, they will never be well enough to face chlorine washed chicken.

All US foods must be trans fat free by 2020 and no new use of trans fat in foods has been allowed since 1st June 2018. These trans fats are primarily through Hydrogenated Oils and can cause lots of long term health problems by raising bad LDL and reducing good HDL cholesterol making heart disease and strokes more likely. I'm not aware of any similar EU regulation although some individual EU countries like Denmark have banned them. 

[Rods2]

In fairness Rods Heath  didn't take us into the EU he took us into the EEC which has over time steadily morphed into the EU which in turn if it continues will steadily morph into the German Empire.

Unless something changes it can't become anything than a German empire as economics always long term triumphs over politics. With the adoption of the Euro all Euro countries agreed a monetary expansion & corresponding inflation rate. France stuck to the letter on this while Germany deliberately cheated so most Euro countries had a deficit with Germany, which means that to balance their books they either owe Germany money or have to sell assets to them. The EEC agreement the UK had on joining the EEC did the same to the UK with an immediate and ever growing deficit for the same reason.

For those that don't think they were warned on what would happen if we joined the EEC, well we were as this Peter Shore video below shows and what he says still fully applies today and Treason-weasel May is doing all she can to make sure we stay as a province of the EU where they continue to make our laws, decide our immigration rules and numbers and enforce their will on us through ECJ judgements.

2:48 short version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHIidBgwyTA

1:47.45 long version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5ks5tmNwCY

[Mister Rog]

So, Trump tells May "He told me I should sue the EU - not go into negotiations."

Hmmmmmm, Trump for PM anyone ?   


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44838028

[STEMO]

Read in the news this morning that TM and senior cronies have had a secret agenda for the past year or so, and the negotiations that David Davies and his team were carrying out were just a smokescreen. DD was unaware of this, of course. Treason.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Certainly something that would probably have caused her and her cronies to fall on their swords, in the days when there was still a trace of honour in politics. She has played a very high stakes game of poker, and its still quite possible it could cost her, her job in the very near future.
I really hope it does. To describe her as useless is a deep insult to useless people everywhere.

[Bigron]

Albs, we need a historian like Lizzie to recall events from so far back as politicians with honour - IF they ever really existed?

Ron