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[Varche]

That will do. Some form upset. New Ferarri engines seem powerful.

I am hoping for a damp race. Bottas 5th? HamiltonandVettel to tangle on the corner at the end of the long straight?

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

If its dry, Hamilton will struggle to keep the Ferrari behind him. Its quite a lot faster than the Mercedes and the last section is about power.
If its wet I cant see anyone beating Hamilton.

MotoGP from Silverstone as well tomorrow. 

[Omegatoy]

rain caught them all out!

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Same thing happened at MotoGP qualifying today.

[BazaJT]

I know which I'll be watching and the vehicles involved won't have four wheels.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Its been moved forward 90 minutes to an 11.30 am start to avoid the rain. You can watch both. 

[BazaJT]

Used to watch F1 regularly but after the days of Senna/Prost it became steadily more boring until it sank to the depths it's reached now,so no won't be watching both.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

I only watch it now to see Hamilton. He is among the best there has ever been - and he,s a Brit. 

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Well, moving it to 11.30 to avoid the rain wasn't a very clever move. Its been pissing down since before that and it looks like it might get cancelled altogether.
Apparently the problem is that the water isn't running off the new surface, just standing on top of it. 

[STEMO]

Well, moving it to 11.30 to avoid the rain wasn't a very clever move. Its been pissing down since before that and it looks like it might get cancelled altogether.
Apparently the problem is that the water isn't running off the new surface, just standing on top of it.

Shame 

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

They are now hoping to have the race at 2pm - so half way through the F1. I shall have to watch both at the same time. 

[Omegatoy]

So f1 will not be free to air next year!!!
say goodbye to over 20 million viewers then! I for one will not pay sky,s exhorbitant charges
talk about shooting yorself in the foot,it will be the end of F1 for millions of fans acrsss the world i fear

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

The new folks running the show (Liberty media) seem more clueless with every decision they make. 

[Varche]

So f1 will not be free to air next year!!!
say goodbye to over 20 million viewers then! I for one will not pay sky,s exhorbitant charges
talk about shooting yorself in the foot,it will be the end of F1 for millions of fans acrsss the world i fear

Arghh. Will there still be free highlights later in the day like ch4 does on their none live races?

[STEMO]

You've had it as far as free-to-air sport is concerned. Netflix and Amazon are getting into sports tv next year.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

That Ferrari is a missile ! 

[STEMO]

That Ferrari is a missile ! 

It might rain 

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Fickin hope so. 

[Omegatoy]

So f1 will not be free to air next year!!!
say goodbye to over 20 million viewers then! I for one will not pay sky,s exhorbitant charges
talk about shooting yorself in the foot,it will be the end of F1 for millions of fans acrsss the world i fear

Arghh. Will there still be free highlights later in the day like ch4 does on their none live races?

unknown but i doubt it!

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

That Ferrari is a missile ! 

Nah.....Hamilton is just lazy and can't be arsed to put his foot down.

[redelitev6]

  Sad to see Hamilton whining about "tricks" from Ferrari 

[BazaJT]

Although I don't watch it it seems to me from the bits I read/hear on the news that Hamilton whines at just about anything unless he wins.The crash[at the start?]that they showed on the news this morning could have had a whole lot worse outcome than it thankfully did.

[ronnyd]

Thank God for the Halo device.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Hamilton wasn't whining. He was alluding to what everyone remotely involve or interested in F1 has suspected for months. That Ferrari are cheating again.
If they are it is with FIA collusion, but that wouldn't be a new thing either.

I think the media have hyped and sensationalised the Halo device aspect. Cars have gone over other czars many times before, even leaving black rubber marks on drivers helmets iirc. Where LeClercs halo was hit, wasn't where his head is in the car, so he probably wouldn't have been injured imo.

[STEMO]

I think Lewis just hates being in a slower car and, at the moment, that's where he is. If he was driving a Ferrari, we'd all suddenly forget that we hated them and start saying how good Lewis is.
Whether it's Mercedes or Ferrari, it's all a bit mundane. A two horse race every season is bound to turn people off.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I think Lewis just hates being in a slower car and, at the moment, that's where he is. If he was driving a Ferrari, we'd all suddenly forget that we hated them and start saying how good Lewis is.
Whether it's Mercedes or Ferrari, it's all a bit mundane. A two horse race every season is bound to turn people off.

I think even Albs will admit that Vettel is a better driver than Hamilton......won't you Albs?

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I think Lewis just hates being in a slower car and, at the moment, that's where he is. If he was driving a Ferrari, we'd all suddenly forget that we hated them and start saying how good Lewis is.
Whether it's Mercedes or Ferrari, it's all a bit mundane. A two horse race every season is bound to turn people off.

It's the cars more than the drivers.

Even the worst F1 driver in a Ferrari/Mercedes will be faster than Hamilton/Vettel in one of the lesser cars.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I remember Martin 'no wins' Brundle once saying that the difference between the best and worst drivers is only about 1 second a lap given equal equipment.

The difference between the worst and best cars can be 5 seconds a lap.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

I think Lewis just hates being in a slower car and, at the moment, that's where he is. If he was driving a Ferrari, we'd all suddenly forget that we hated them and start saying how good Lewis is.
Whether it's Mercedes or Ferrari, it's all a bit mundane. A two horse race every season is bound to turn people off.

I think even Albs will admit that Vettel is a better driver than Hamilton......won't you Albs?

Far cough.  ...………..I would never forget how much I dislike Ferrari no matter who was driving for them, althoughIi would want Hamilton to win no matter who he drives for because he is by far the best driver.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

I think Lewis just hates being in a slower car and, at the moment, that's where he is. If he was driving a Ferrari, we'd all suddenly forget that we hated them and start saying how good Lewis is.
Whether it's Mercedes or Ferrari, it's all a bit mundane. A two horse race every season is bound to turn people off.

It's the cars more than the drivers.

Even the worst F1 driver in a Ferrari/Mercedes will be faster than Hamilton/Vettel in one of the lesser cars.

Depends on how lesser the lesser car is, but I disagree. Hamilton won his first title with McLaren in a car which was by no means the fastest. No-one had won a title in a McLaren since Hakkinen several years before, and no-one has won one since.
Vettel however has only ever won titles when he had a clear car advantage and was the obvious number one driver in the team.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

I remember Martin 'no wins' Brundle once saying that the difference between the best and worst drivers is only about 1 second a lap given equal equipment.

The difference between the worst and best cars can be 5 seconds a lap.

When rain levelled the playing field on Saturday, Hamilton outqualified Vettel by nearly a second. 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I think Lewis just hates being in a slower car and, at the moment, that's where he is. If he was driving a Ferrari, we'd all suddenly forget that we hated them and start saying how good Lewis is.
Whether it's Mercedes or Ferrari, it's all a bit mundane. A two horse race every season is bound to turn people off.

It's the cars more than the drivers.

Even the worst F1 driver in a Ferrari/Mercedes will be faster than Hamilton/Vettel in one of the lesser cars.

Depends on how lesser the lesser car is, but I disagree. Hamilton won his first title with McLaren in a car which was by no means the fastest. No-one had won a title in a McLaren since Hakkinen several years before, and no-one has won one since.
Vettel however has only ever won titles when he had a clear car advantage and was the obvious number one driver in the team.

The Hamilton/ Alonso Macca of ten years ago is great when compared to the steaming pile of orange shit they have today.   

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Yep, but it wasn't a championship winning car for most people, even when driven by the great Alonso. 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Yep, but it wasn't a championship winning car for most people, even when driven by the great Alonso. 

I'll go with that.

Alonso would have been more friendly toward Hamilton if he hadn't been genuine competition. Hamilton was a rookie but he gave Alonso a bloody nose.

Number one drivers don't like talented upstarts.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Alonso was so pissed off that he tried to blackmail Ron Dennis into ordering Hamilton not to pass him on the track. Dennis refused and the whole Ferrarigate scandal then unfolded, which put the team into a downward spiral it will probably never recover from.
Foe me, this is why Alonso can never be considered one of the all time greats. Despite that Irish  t wat commentator on C4 yesterday asking "is he the greatest ever ?" Fickin idiot. 

[Varche]

Oh for more damp races. Monza for instance.

I am thinking the teams let some of their drivers down during quali. Raikkonen should have started further up the field but wasnt fuelled enough? Cant remember what The reason was for Ricciardo being down the field from Max. If they had been further up they wouldnt have been caught up in the Hulkenberg carnage.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Raikkonen seems to be almost ignored by Ferrari. Its all about Vettel. Riciardo probably in a similar position at Red Bull now he has taken the inexplicable decision to move to Renault.

[STEMO]

I wouldn't care who I was driving for at nearly a million quid a pop.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Im sure hes already worth more money than he is likely to ever spend. I would have thought that the most important factor is to be in the quickest car you can get into. Hes a superb driver. Just needs a car to match his talent.
Without an offer from Merc or Ferrari, he isn't going to get quicker than Red Bull, unless he knows something the rest of us don't.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Raikkonen seems to be almost ignored by Ferrari. Its all about Vettel. Riciardo probably in a similar position at Red Bull now he has taken the inexplicable decision to move to Renault.

Boy wonder Max is still improving. Riciardo is probably as good as he is going to get.

[Rods2]

It may prove to be a Hamilton move where he went to up and coming at the right time by moving to Mercedes from Maclaren or an Alonso move from Ferrari to Maclaren. Next season will be very telling. Will Honda have a competitive reliable F1 engine for Red Bull? What improvements do Renault plan to make up the power deficit and reliability compared to Ferrari and Mercedes engines and will they have their own qualification power mode to compete with them?

Where Renault are currently a lower mid ranking team, it must have been a very good yarn that they spun to Ricciardo as it doesn't make any sense on current form.