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[Doctor Gollum]

Well that's that then

[Varche]

I wondered when Spain would raise Gibraltar. Typical of Spain to do so at the eleventh hour. Elections going on so topical vote wnner.

[STEMO]

I wondered when Spain would raise Gibraltar. Typical of Spain to do so at the eleventh hour. Elections going on so topical vote wnner.

They can have it as far as I'm concerned.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Almost inevitable that 'Gib' would come up.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

.........96% remain 4% leave.

[Marks DTM Calib]

What they say and do are different things... They could all vote it through yet publicly say that they didn't.

The trouble with this proposal is that it has to be an unilateral compromise. Anything else is even less palettable.

There will be some ranting and jumping up and down, but ultimately it will go through. It simply has to.

Why? Then we are trapped.  It's the devil or the deep blue sea.    and we should set sail. 

I never said it was good, it's simply that the alternatives are worse...

Yes apparently if there is no deal, we'll run out of Mars bars in 2 weeks! 

If there is no deal we will have issues way beyond that! (from an industry perspective)

[ronnyd]

I wondered when Spain would raise Gibraltar. Typical of Spain to do so at the eleventh hour. Elections going on so topical vote wnner.

Does that then mean that they will give up the enclaves they have in North Africa? 

[Doctor Gollum]

Swap them perhaps 

[aaronjb]

Swap them perhaps 

What, we get North Africa? I don't think that would be a good deal, and I have zero idea what Gibraltar is good for

[Lizzie Zoom]

Swap them perhaps 

What, we get North Africa? I don't think that would be a good deal, and I have zero idea what Gibraltar is good for

To stop the French or Italians having naval superiority in the Med:  oh, hang on that was another century!!

[Sir Tigger KC]

What they say and do are different things... They could all vote it through yet publicly say that they didn't.

The trouble with this proposal is that it has to be an unilateral compromise. Anything else is even less palettable.

There will be some ranting and jumping up and down, but ultimately it will go through. It simply has to.

Why? Then we are trapped.  It's the devil or the deep blue sea.    and we should set sail. 

I never said it was good, it's simply that the alternatives are worse...

Yes apparently if there is no deal, we'll run out of Mars bars in 2 weeks! 

If there is no deal we will have issues way beyond that! (from an industry perspective)

It seems to me from a layman's perspective that British business and industry has made no contingency plans for a UK withdrawal from the European Union, which given the level of Euro-scepticism they should have had plans in place for years. 

Blair toyed with the idea of a referendum, but bottled it. Cameron first made the commitment in 2014 at which point I thought we'd be leaving and I'm just the stupid boy from the local comp to quote our Dear Leader.   In the event they have had two and a half years to prepare for the worst, but they havn't and are now squealing! 

[Varche]

Swap them perhaps 

What, we get North Africa? I don't think that would be a good deal, and I have zero idea what Gibraltar is good for

To stop the French or Italians having naval superiority in the Med:  oh, hang on that was another century!!

Close Lizzie. It is actually about the Russian navy and subs. Plus refuelling and provisioning point for our navy.

[Lizzie Zoom]

Swap them perhaps 

What, we get North Africa? I don't think that would be a good deal, and I have zero idea what Gibraltar is good for

To stop the French or Italians having naval superiority in the Med:  oh, hang on that was another century!!

Close Lizzie. It is actually about the Russian navy and subs. Plus refuelling and provisioning point for our navy.

I was referring to WW2 last century.

As for Russian subs, they can exit the Baltic or, if they are in the med. (with modern long range missles they do not have to be) they can slip through the Gibralter Straight as who is going to stop them?  We cannot even keep Russian subs and their surface ships away from the English Channel!

Gone are the days when RN heavies could command any of those areas of sea.

As for the replenishment of provisions that can be done in any friendly port or simply by RASing.  That is why the ports of Malta and Gibralter are no longer vital to the Royal Navy.

No, Gibralter is useful as a stop off point, but really the UK only holds onto it for political reasons, and because the Gibraltarians do not want to be part of Spain

[Rods2]

What they say and do are different things... They could all vote it through yet publicly say that they didn't.

The trouble with this proposal is that it has to be an unilateral compromise. Anything else is even less palettable.

There will be some ranting and jumping up and down, but ultimately it will go through. It simply has to.

Why? Then we are trapped.  It's the devil or the deep blue sea.    and we should set sail. 

I never said it was good, it's simply that the alternatives are worse...

Yes apparently if there is no deal, we'll run out of Mars bars in 2 weeks! 

If there is no deal we will have issues way beyond that! (from an industry perspective)

It seems to me from a layman's perspective that British business and industry has made no contingency plans for a UK withdrawal from the European Union, which given the level of Euro-scepticism they should have had plans in place for years. 

Blair toyed with the idea of a referendum, but bottled it. Cameron first made the commitment in 2014 at which point I thought we'd be leaving and I'm just the stupid boy from the local comp to quote our Dear Leader.   In the event they have had two and a half years to prepare for the worst, but they havn't and are now squealing! 

For about 95% of exports and imports it will have no effect where the EU has average WTO tariffs on most items with food & cars being the biggest exceptions and they export much more of those to us than we do to them. Services which is a UK strength is not part of the Single Market and not subject to one size fits all regulations. The management & directors of all medium to large businesses will have contingency plans where it is part of the job.

[Sir Tigger KC]

What they say and do are different things... They could all vote it through yet publicly say that they didn't.

The trouble with this proposal is that it has to be an unilateral compromise. Anything else is even less palettable.

There will be some ranting and jumping up and down, but ultimately it will go through. It simply has to.

Why? Then we are trapped.  It's the devil or the deep blue sea.    and we should set sail. 

I never said it was good, it's simply that the alternatives are worse...

Yes apparently if there is no deal, we'll run out of Mars bars in 2 weeks! 

If there is no deal we will have issues way beyond that! (from an industry perspective)

It seems to me from a layman's perspective that British business and industry has made no contingency plans for a UK withdrawal from the European Union, which given the level of Euro-scepticism they should have had plans in place for years. 

Blair toyed with the idea of a referendum, but bottled it. Cameron first made the commitment in 2014 at which point I thought we'd be leaving and I'm just the stupid boy from the local comp to quote our Dear Leader.   In the event they have had two and a half years to prepare for the worst, but they havn't and are now squealing! 

For about 95% of exports and imports it will have no effect where the EU has average WTO tariffs on most items with food & cars being the biggest exceptions and they export much more of those to us than we do to them. Services which is a UK strength is not part of the Single Market and not subject to one size fits all regulations. The management & directors of all medium to large businesses will have contingency plans where it is part of the job.

You think so Rods?   

They all seem like a bunch of rabbits caught in the headlights to me.