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Re: Strange front track rod / toe angle goings on
« Reply #60 on: 19 February 2019, 03:06:54 »

It doesn't always work, then you use the jack.
And if you're lucky enough to be working with a lift, using the jack isn't really an option.......

I should clarify. I did this on the four poster and to jack it up I used the transmission jack 👍
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Re: Strange front track rod / toe angle goings on
« Reply #61 on: 19 February 2019, 03:16:54 »

What is a "stubby bit"?
For the benefit of us all, where did you get the new idler arm from?
Maybe hang on to the old arm in case it can be sent somewhere to be polybushed?

Just an old air hammer chisel that I lobbied the chisel bit off ages ago. Sorry I can’t think of what they’re called 😢 I’ll try n upload a pic of what I mean 😀

I used a Febi part. Got it from Andrew Page for £30 trade inc. vat. I’ll find out the retail price 👍

As per TBs advice I’d have liked to have put genuine on but I am moderately poor 😂😂😂 and just for the shits n giggles I’ll be putting better quality track rods on also. Again as per TBs advice I used ATP and am seeing some issues so I’d rather just replace and forget about it. The track rods aren’t too badly priced from Vauxhall’s so I may go that route

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Re: Strange front track rod / toe angle goings on
« Reply #62 on: 19 February 2019, 09:42:30 »

Thank you gentlemen. I am much enlightened. Normally I split tapered joints with screw extractors, but access bars their use on the drop link. I have an air hammer which I have never used - must do next time.

To reassemble a tapered joint I put washers on the screw of the joint leaving a few threads exposed, then put on and tighten the nut, pulling in the taper; then remove nut and washers, replace and torque up the nut. This avoids the locking nut end turning the screw.
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Re: Strange front track rod / toe angle goings on
« Reply #63 on: 19 February 2019, 11:25:05 »

I tap the new part into place and fit and tighten the nut. Occasionally the part needs supporting to prevent spinning ;)
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Re: Strange front track rod / toe angle goings on
« Reply #64 on: 19 February 2019, 13:10:42 »

*when I say id have smashed seven bells. I actually mean id have got young un to hold the drift while I swung at it. Do this if you’re limited in hands. If not hold it yourself 👍

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Did the garage supply you with the young un, or did you have to supply your own? ;)  :D

What is a "stubby bit"?

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Re: Strange front track rod / toe angle goings on
« Reply #65 on: 19 February 2019, 14:45:39 »

😂😂😂😂😂😂
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Re: Strange front track rod / toe angle goings on
« Reply #66 on: 19 February 2019, 14:48:01 »

Thank you gentlemen. I am much enlightened. Normally I split tapered joints with screw extractors, but access bars their use on the drop link. I have an air hammer which I have never used - must do next time.

To reassemble a tapered joint I put washers on the screw of the joint leaving a few threads exposed, then put on and tighten the nut, pulling in the taper; then remove nut and washers, replace and torque up the nut. This avoids the locking nut end turning the screw.

I wouldn’t be without my air hammer. Things that instantly spring to mind that I use it on are seized in bottom ball joint pinch bolts, drive shafts seized in hubs and my personal favourite... seized in brake disc screws.
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Re: Strange front track rod / toe angle goings on
« Reply #67 on: 19 February 2019, 17:44:32 »

Thank you gentlemen. I am much enlightened. Normally I split tapered joints with screw extractors, but access bars their use on the drop link. I have an air hammer which I have never used - must do next time.

To reassemble a tapered joint I put washers on the screw of the joint leaving a few threads exposed, then put on and tighten the nut, pulling in the taper; then remove nut and washers, replace and torque up the nut. This avoids the locking nut end turning the screw.


Webby works in a garage, and will have air available all the time. By the time you've charged your compressor to try an air hammer, you could have knocked the joint apart, replaced it, put the car back on the ground and be getting the beer coffee and biscuits ready. I keep writing this: use a big hammer
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Re: Strange front track rod / toe angle goings on
« Reply #68 on: 19 February 2019, 21:21:55 »

So since fitting the idler I’ve taken my dog up and down a stretch of dually near work quite a few times where it always acts up. And by acts up I mean I get it to 60 and it’s slightly unstable to the point where I back off to slow down.

That.

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Re: Strange front track rod / toe angle goings on
« Reply #69 on: 20 February 2019, 13:49:33 »

Scrap that 😩😩😩

Took it down dually this morning and it definitely does feel better. I reckon the toes still out so will get new track rods, readjust, and stick my new tyres on and see where we get with that. 👍
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Re: Strange front track rod / toe angle goings on
« Reply #70 on: 20 February 2019, 13:55:27 »

Half a job Bob  :D

You'll get it sorted in the end, and even at 25 mph, you'll feel the improvement  :y
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Re: Strange front track rod / toe angle goings on
« Reply #71 on: 20 February 2019, 13:58:34 »

Yeah I know. But I am lazy. I’ll track it up today. I hope I don’t need a centre track rod. My tyres are going to leave me broke next month 😩😩😩
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Re: Strange front track rod / toe angle goings on
« Reply #72 on: 22 March 2019, 19:27:47 »

Yeah I know. But I am lazy. I’ll track it up today. I hope I don’t need a centre track rod. My tyres are going to leave me broke next month 😩😩😩

Webby.

Did you find the new ATP track rod ball joints to be the problem come the end or was it something else?

I am just about to replace mine with ATP track rods that were in the box named Atec tomorrow because it failed its mot.

Thanks
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Re: Strange front track rod / toe angle goings on
« Reply #73 on: 22 March 2019, 20:35:20 »

Yeah I know. But I am lazy. I’ll track it up today. I hope I don’t need a centre track rod. My tyres are going to leave me broke next month 😩😩😩

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Did you find the new ATP track rod ball joints to be the problem come the end or was it something else?

I am just about to replace mine with ATP track rods that were in the box named Atec tomorrow because it failed its mot.

Thanks
Just fit them. Worst case you can replace in 10k time knowing that they lasted 10k and were effectively free :y
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Re: Strange front track rod / toe angle goings on
« Reply #74 on: 22 March 2019, 20:54:10 »

Yeah I know. But I am lazy. I’ll track it up today. I hope I don’t need a centre track rod. My tyres are going to leave me broke next month 😩😩😩

Webby.

Did you find the new ATP track rod ball joints to be the problem come the end or was it something else?

I am just about to replace mine with ATP track rods that were in the box named Atec tomorrow because it failed its mot.

Thanks
Just fit them. Worst case you can replace in 10k time knowing that they lasted 10k and were effectively free :y
Don't forget, Mother Bear smacked a curb with it a while back...
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