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EGR Valve sourcing and pricing
« on: 22 September 2010, 10:08:04 »

hi Guys....  Miggy needs a new EGR valve (and gasket) , Garage have quote me £254..   I'm pretty sure i remember paying about half that on Jaime's trade club card last time (on previous miggy) ...

can anyone confirm or deny this....  preferably in a hurry.//    I need the damn car at the weekend , so need to give the garage a go ahead, or an alternative ASAP.



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Re: EGR Valve sourcing and pricing
« Reply #1 on: 22 September 2010, 10:15:38 »

why dont you make a metal gasket & blank it off, or buy second hand. i have one here off a 3.0l. :y
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« Reply #2 on: 22 September 2010, 10:16:51 »

you could call up your dealer and ask them for the tradeclub / abs price?
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Re: EGR Valve sourcing and pricing
« Reply #3 on: 22 September 2010, 10:20:41 »

Clean it out with oven cleaner and then refit with a blanking plate.

I seem to recall the Vx item (blanking plate) used on Astras etc fits.
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Re: EGR Valve sourcing and pricing
« Reply #4 on: 22 September 2010, 10:22:34 »

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Clean it out with oven cleaner and then refit with a blanking plate.

I seem to recall the Vx item (blanking plate) used on Astras etc fits.
Dealers call it a "plug" # 92065430
They also do this one Astra MK4, Signum, Vectra C, Zafira (Z22SE engines) GM Part Number: 24575592
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Re: EGR Valve sourcing and pricing
« Reply #5 on: 22 September 2010, 10:24:15 »

I wondered about the Blanking plate thing....   what's best to use for this asa temporary measure?

and Mark, why clean it out with oven cleaner if blanking and replacing?  (the housing is cracked between the manifold and valve itself....   so it needs a new one... period...     happy to buy a second hand unit, just in a hurry to get the car road worthy, need to go to Louth (lincs) at the weekend.
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« Reply #6 on: 22 September 2010, 10:31:46 »

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« Reply #7 on: 22 September 2010, 10:35:02 »

according to my EPC, that is NLS, and the replacement is 92065430 of which there is no picture, the other part number looks right though  :y

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« Reply #8 on: 22 September 2010, 10:37:18 »

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.....   so it needs a new one... period...     .....

you mean FULL STOP!!!!  :-X :-X ;) :y
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« Reply #9 on: 22 September 2010, 10:53:55 »

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Just blank off the broken one.  It needs to be cleaned out and the pintle moving and then connected electrically or it will put the fault light on.
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I wondered about the Blanking plate thing....   what's best to use for this asa temporary measure?

and Mark, why clean it out with oven cleaner if blanking and replacing?  (the housing is cracked between the manifold and valve itself....   so it needs a new one... period...     happy to buy a second hand unit, just in a hurry to get the car road worthy, need to go to Louth (lincs) at the weekend.
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« Reply #10 on: 22 September 2010, 22:06:01 »

WTF is a Pintle?   

will it be okay if the thing is blocked up using said part no, refitted, and connected.... 

regards the fault, i'm given to understand it's not the valve itself, but the valve housing, just below the base of the block top bit,  it is cracked, and blowing....   so if blocked, it will stop blowing, and continue to behave until i can get the baron's one fitted.... yes?


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« Reply #11 on: 23 September 2010, 08:05:36 »

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WTF is a Pintle?   

will it be okay if the thing is blocked up using said part no, refitted, and connected.... 

regards the fault, i'm given to understand it's not the valve itself, but the valve housing, just below the base of the block top bit,  it is cracked, and blowing....   so if blocked, it will stop blowing, and continue to behave until i can get the baron's one fitted.... yes?


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« Reply #12 on: 23 September 2010, 11:39:31 »

It wont be cracked (unless somehow the garage have broken it), there will be signs of soot around the base where the seal between the body and base has failed.

Hence, cleaning the pintel so it moves and gives the correct feedback to the ECU and a blanking plate is an ideal long term fix.
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« Reply #13 on: 23 September 2010, 11:48:10 »

understood, up tot he point where you said pintel.


WTF IS A PINTEL?

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« Reply #14 on: 23 September 2010, 11:51:42 »

the little plunger inside  :y

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« Reply #15 on: 23 September 2010, 12:11:35 »

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pintle |[ch712]pintl|
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one of the pins (on the forward edge of a rudder) that fit into the gudgeons and so suspend the rudder.

I have no idea how we ended up using the word pintle to describe anything like a plunger that moves in and out of an orifice on cars (like the EGR valve, fuel injectors, etc, all have pintles).  I'm sure there's some logic to it, somewhere..  ;D
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« Reply #16 on: 23 September 2010, 12:15:04 »

ta muchly....    so what are the recommended types/brands of oven cleaner ,  just thinking i'll clean up the replacement unit before having the garage fit it....   assuming that's the sensible thing, and do-able with not much more than basic screw drivers and stuff.

(my tool kit is extensive, but is aimed at specific tasks, all completely unrelated to cars....   anything you need done to a guitar, or other stringed instrument, or audio electronics,  it's fine....   and in deed, if you need soundproof walls and ceilings and things like that building, again, very well equipped....    but go beyond changing a wheel on a push bike, and it becomes a tad inadequate )


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« Reply #17 on: 23 September 2010, 12:43:32 »

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one of the pins (on the forward edge of a rudder) that fit into the gudgeons and so suspend the rudder.

I have no idea how we ended up using the word pintle to describe anything like a plunger that moves in and out of an orifice on cars (like the EGR valve, fuel injectors, etc, all have pintles).  I'm sure there's some logic to it, somewhere..  ;D

A pintel valve (opposed to a poppet valve) is a tapered pin which sits in a tapered seat.

Commonly seen on diesel injectors but also used on EGR valves.
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ta muchly....    so what are the recommended types/brands of oven cleaner ,  just thinking i'll clean up the replacement unit before having the garage fit it....   assuming that's the sensible thing, and do-able with not much more than basic screw drivers and stuff.

(my tool kit is extensive, but is aimed at specific tasks, all completely unrelated to cars....   anything you need done to a guitar, or other stringed instrument, or audio electronics,  it's fine....   and in deed, if you need soundproof walls and ceilings and things like that building, again, very well equipped....    but go beyond changing a wheel on a push bike, and it becomes a tad inadequate )



Turn it upside down and fill the sooty passages with the wifes finest oven cleaner, work teh pintle valve with a scrwdriver or similar a few times (it does not have much travel) to get the cleaner around all the key parts.

Leave for an hour or so and then flush well whilst again pressing teh pintle.

I still struggle to see how the casting has split, its built like a brick out house....got any pics?
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« Reply #19 on: 23 September 2010, 15:19:09 »

no pics yet....   


the plug has done it;s job,    when the EGR has been replaced i'll go over it with my micro-work optics and see what i can find...

 still got a minor issue....   but it's the manifold (probably gasket???) ....  AFAIK, it's driver's side...


how much of a PITA is that to sort out????
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« Reply #20 on: 23 September 2010, 15:23:45 »

are we talking foaming Mr Muscle oven cleaner?  or something else.....


TBH our oven gets cleaned with a damp cloth, and just v ery occasionally might laso use some fairy liquid....      it's supposed to be self cleaning, and we're not supposed to use more aggressive solutions or foams or creams on it, or it'll damage the surface.... 


so....  i'll have to go out and buy some....   which is why the question...   any preferred brands?   or should i go down to tool station and get some brake or carb cleaner?

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are we talking foaming Mr Muscle oven cleaner?  or something else.....


TBH our oven gets cleaned with a damp cloth, and just v ery occasionally might laso use some fairy liquid....      it's supposed to be self cleaning, and we're not supposed to use more aggressive solutions or foams or creams on it, or it'll damage the surface.... 


so....  i'll have to go out and buy some....   which is why the question...   any preferred brands?   or should i go down to tool station and get some brake or carb cleaner?



Any caustic based solution which will break down the carbon

How do you clean your grill trays and oven racks?  ;D

Drivers side exhaust manifold gasket is around a 3-4 hour job
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« Reply #22 on: 23 September 2010, 15:59:45 »

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How do you clean your grill trays and oven racks?  ;D

Other people clean their ovens?  :o :-[  ;D
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« Reply #23 on: 23 September 2010, 18:33:43 »

grill tray , in the dish washer, every time we use the grill.


oven racks.   in the dishwasher, once a week.


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ouch, 3-4 hours makes the labour in the £240 region..... 

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i keep trying to put a bit aside to replace the miggy, with a newer miggy....  it keeps eating my piggy bank.


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