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[Webby the Bear]

Ok boys following on from my previous thread regarding stability in my Omega I have some great news for me...I’ve spun up the wheels without the tyres and they’re not warped or buckled so I save some dollar yay 😁 this week I’m also going to get the camber bang on. And as if that wasn’t enough I’ve got some new rear track rods on order to replace my seized ones. So a full geo will be done this week. I’m actually really excited to see an improvement. However....

That means that I’m going to have to get some new tyres to replace my stone-like BCTs.

I totally totally get that putting Michelin’s or Dunlop’s as suggested is awesome. I simply don’t have 350 - 450 to spend on a set of amazing tyres. All I want is stability in the wet.

I really love the idea of Rainsport 3’s however there are loads of comments about premature wear due to being a very soft compound. Is there anything else?

Kumhos that tunnie mentions have pretty good reviews.

No experience apparently of Toyos on here?

Anyone had Avons or Coopers?

I know this is an age old subject but any extra info or help would be great

[tunnie]

Very happy with my Kumho’s, low road noise, good grip, low wear rate.

But as mentioned, bit more pricey these days. 

[YZ250]

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No experience apparently of Toyos on here ?
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I used to run Toyo Proxes T1R's on mine. They were fine for stopping grip, wet or dry, good at speed (apparently )  and if I recall correctly the different tread pattern made them quite good in the snow.
The downside was that they were quite soft and wore out quicker than others I've had. I'm currently running Goodyear Eagles (which need replacing) but this is the third set I've had that have split in the tread grooves.
Currently trying to justify PS 4's but having done some pretty impressive big stops in the wet with the Goodyears I'm still not sure. 

[Sir Tigger KC]

Goldway G2000 at £38 a corner! 

Although due to BREXIT they might have gone up a bit.   

[Webby the Bear]

Very happy with my Kumho’s, low road noise, good grip, low wear rate.

But as mentioned, bit more pricey these days. 

Thanks everyone.

These are in my price range. How’s the wet grip ? And are u a scaredy-cat like me in the wet or do these give u confidence?

[Webby the Bear]

G2000 got bad reviews tig 😂😂😂

The best reviews are the Kumhos...

[Doctor Gollum]

Acceleras are a proven Omega tyre which serve a purpose at £43 each, but if you can't afford a full set of tyres, do them in pairs and buy premium The thing with the Omega is that once the road manners fall off a cliff, you are about £1,000 away from getting it up to scratch and it's not something that can be done bit by bit due the whole alignment issue...

Also, if you aren't confident driving in poor conditions, there's no shame in getting extra tuition... skid pan courses and advanced lessons would be a good investment

[Webby the Bear]

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No experience apparently of Toyos on here ?
.........

I used to run Toyo Proxes T1R's on mine. They were fine for stopping grip, wet or dry, good at speed (apparently )  and if I recall correctly the different tread pattern made them quite good in the snow.
The downside was that they were quite soft and wore out quicker than others I've had. I'm currently running Goodyear Eagles (which need replacing) but this is the third set I've had that have split in the tread grooves.
Currently trying to justify PS 4's but having done some pretty impressive big stops in the wet with the Goodyears I'm still not sure. 

Yeah there’s a lot of bad reviews re premature wear and poor wet grip. Not what I’m looking for I believe. It’s a shame cos I can get them decent prices

[Webby the Bear]

Acceleras are a proven Omega tyre which serve a purpose at £43 each, but if you can't afford a full set of tyres, do them in pairs and buy premium The thing with the Omega is that once the road manners fall off a cliff, you are about £1,000 away from getting it up to scratch and it's not something that can be done bit by bit due the whole alignment issue...

Also, if you aren't confident driving in poor conditions, there's no shame in getting extra tuition... skid pan courses and advanced lessons would be a good investment

Thanks DG. I was going to mention I looked for these on your recommendation but was struggling to sort out exactly which ones u were talking about as u mentioned winter tyres.

[Doctor Gollum]

Acceleras are a proven Omega tyre which serve a purpose at £43 each, but if you can't afford a full set of tyres, do them in pairs and buy premium The thing with the Omega is that once the road manners fall off a cliff, you are about £1,000 away from getting it up to scratch and it's not something that can be done bit by bit due the whole alignment issue...

Also, if you aren't confident driving in poor conditions, there's no shame in getting extra tuition... skid pan courses and advanced lessons would be a good investment

Camskill don't have current stock if the winters, but do have the Phi available.
Thanks DG. I was going to mention I looked for these on your recommendation but was struggling to sort out exactly which ones u were talking about as u mentioned winter tyres.

[b4ndit]

just bought a set of these
P7 Cinturato Blue good reviews

[78bex]

Very happy with my Kumho’s, low road noise, good grip, low wear rate.

But as mentioned, bit more pricey these days. 

Thanks everyone.

These are in my price range. How’s the wet grip ? And are u a scaredy-cat like me in the wet or do these give u confidence?

I don`t have any complaints re. Kumho tyres & yes mine also have made in China on the sidewall. I think I`m into my 3rd year with these on the car & they`re wearing evenly
This video was captured just before Easter  & my Desmond is dodging a smashed up pallet  on the road with lots of spray about

   https://youtu.be/gvOVTBbZnZk

[Doctor Gollum]

Hardly a swerve, and you got the pallet with at least one wheel

[Keith ABS]

 I had a full set of Nexan 1000,s and could not fault them on my estate
Just my findings

[Shackeng]

I may have misremembered, but ISTR that WIM recommended Nexens some years ago when I was having some tyres and geo done.

[Lizzie Zoom]

just bought a set of these
P7 Cinturato Blue good reviews

I have used 235/45R17 Pirelli P7 CINT 97W XL's for some years now and found them excellent in all conditions, but these would fall within Webby's "expensive" bracket.  I wonder what the difference is between the these tyres and the "Blue" version?

[Kevin Wood]

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No experience apparently of Toyos on here ?
.........

I used to run Toyo Proxes T1R's on mine. They were fine for stopping grip, wet or dry, good at speed (apparently )  and if I recall correctly the different tread pattern made them quite good in the snow.
The downside was that they were quite soft and wore out quicker than others I've had. I'm currently running Goodyear Eagles (which need replacing) but this is the third set I've had that have split in the tread grooves.
Currently trying to justify PS 4's but having done some pretty impressive big stops in the wet with the Goodyears I'm still not sure. 

Yeah there’s a lot of bad reviews re premature wear and poor wet grip. Not what I’m looking for I believe. It’s a shame cos I can get them decent prices

The T1R is a real "Marmite" tyre. Some swear by them, many hate them. I put a set on Emma's MX 5 and I'd say they are fun when pressing on in the dry but a nightmare in the wet. Ultimate grip level is not that high but they have quite soft sidewalls which means they give loads of "feel" close to the limits which allows you to explore them. The downside is that this impacts stability.

In the wet they are the opposite - unpredictable and not very inspiring of confidence.

Knowing how the Omega responds to tyres that promote instability, there's no way in a million years I'd put them on an Omega.

Actually, I wouldn't buy another set for any car, TBH.

[Sir Tigger KC]

G2000 got bad reviews tig 😂😂😂

The best reviews are the Kumhos...

My review was good Webby.....     For the price.... 

[ronnyd]

I had a full set of Nexan 1000,s and could not fault them on my estate
Just my findings

Agreed, i try not to drive like too much of a loon and my Nexens last very well. Around the 30k mark give or take.

[Shackeng]

I had a full set of Nexan 1000,s and could not fault them on my estate
Just my findings

Agreed, i try not to drive like too much of a loon TB and my Nexens last very well. Around the 30k mark give or take.

Fixed.

[tunnie]

I had Nexens, N6000's I think, personally I hated them, awful at basic traction when surface was even slightly damp in the 3.2.

Could light them up way to easily, even simply pulling away hard from a T junction.

[ronnyd]

I had Nexens, N6000's I think, personally I hated them, awful at basic traction when surface was even slightly damp in the 3.2.

Could light them up way to easily, even simply pulling away hard from a T junction.

You have a lot more horses than my humble Desmond.  (Tugs forelock and slinks away ) 

[Webby the Bear]

Guys really appreciate all the input. 👍

So far it’s the Kumhos for me. Based on price and reviews. As I mentioned before I am not looking for TB levels of grip; merely a good tyre for driving in the wet. Plus with these I can afford a brand new set.

One day when I’m loaded from working on cars (🤔😩) I’ll stick a set of Michelin’s on.

[Webby the Bear]

Ps is it the Kumho Ecsta HM KH31 that we are talking about 👍👍👍

[tunnie]

I had Nexens, N6000's I think, personally I hated them, awful at basic traction when surface was even slightly damp in the 3.2.

Could light them up way to easily, even simply pulling away hard from a T junction.

You have a lot more horses than my humble Desmond.  (Tugs forelock and slinks away ) 

Yeah the 3.2 power delivery means you need decent grip, suspect I may have liked them on my 2.2. 3.2 tends to delivery a lot of torque in one lump low down, not as smooth delivery as 3.0/2.5.

Ps is it the Kumho Ecsta HM KH31 that we are talking about 👍👍👍

Can you still get them? I had them on 2.2, bloody loved those tyres. Excellent wear rate, all around great grip, comfy, silent. Damn good tyre for the 2.2.

Had to replace them with KU39's as 31's no longer around. 

Trouble is Kumho's only a tenner away from premium tyre cost.

[Webby the Bear]

Thanks Tunnie. To be honest those were the tyres that came up on google search. I’ll keep looking though 👍👍👍

[Sir Tigger KC]

Can you still get them? I had them on 2.2, bloody loved those tyres.

You really need to get out more Tunnie!     

[Webby the Bear]

https://www.blackcircles.com/catalogue/kumho/kh31/225/55/R16/W/95/m?tyre=33876921&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI7I2R_ZCv3gIVg813Ch1yeQqrEAQYASABEgJoFfD_BwE

Maybe there’d be some oddity when I got to check out. But £62 is bang on budget 👍👍👍

[YZ250]

https://www.blackcircles.com/catalogue/kumho/kh31/225/55/R16/W/95/m?tyre=33876921&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI7I2R_ZCv3gIVg813Ch1yeQqrEAQYASABEgJoFfD_BwE

Maybe there’d be some oddity when I got to check out. But £62 is bang on budget 👍👍👍

Your thread prompted me to search for new tyres last night and I was just about to buy four Michelin Pilot Sport 4 from Black Circles when a FLASHCODE popped up. Typed in the code and saved over £40 in total on that site and £73 against my local supplier so thanks for that. 
My usual local supplier is fitting them on Friday. 

[78bex]

Hardly a swerve, and you got the pallet with at least one wheel

It hit my N/S fog lamp & scored the lens 

[Webby the Bear]

https://www.blackcircles.com/catalogue/kumho/kh31/225/55/R16/W/95/m?tyre=33876921&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI7I2R_ZCv3gIVg813Ch1yeQqrEAQYASABEgJoFfD_BwE

Maybe there’d be some oddity when I got to check out. But £62 is bang on budget 👍👍👍

Your thread prompted me to search for new tyres last night and I was just about to buy four Michelin Pilot Sport 4 from Black Circles when a FLASHCODE popped up. Typed in the code and saved over £40 in total on that site and £73 against my local supplier so thanks for that. 
My usual local supplier is fitting them on Friday. 

Hahahaha what a result mate 😂😂😂👍👍👍

[TheBoy]

A good gripping tyre by its nature is not going to last well. (Proper) premium brands are better at this than midrange.

Budget tyres are hopeless for UK, due to very poor wet weather performance and generally poor cold weather performance. Universally.



That's not to say that you shouldn't have crap ditch finders on, just be aware your braking distances are longer, and mid corner course corrections are more likely to make you dizzy.




If I was going midrange (I wouldn't ever buy budget tyres), Kuhmo would be high on my list on an Omega.  But they are pretty pricey, and close enough pricewise to a decent premium tyre.

[Webby the Bear]

Thanks for the input TB. I would say though that £62 is much better than £80-110 especially as I’m looking for a full set

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

I just buy part worn premium tyres with 6mm tread for about £50 each. Need to buy four in the next week or so.

[Bigron]

Where do you get the part-worns from, Albs - near me? My all new set from Tyre-Smart are only a year and 3,000 miles old, but come the day, I will need some more.....

Ron.

[Doctor Gollum]

Where do you get the part-worns from, Albs - near me? My all new set from Tyre-Smart are only a year and 3,000 miles old, but come the day, I will need some more.....

Ron.

Plenty on Ebay

[aaronjb]

I just buy part worn premium tyres with 6mm tread for about £50 each. Need to buy four in the next week or so.

Thou shalt await your flagellation from TB for suggesting such things.

[tunnie]

I just buy part worn premium tyres with 6mm tread for about £50 each. Need to buy four in the next week or so.

Thou shalt await your flagellation from TB for suggesting such things.

Bull. Red Flag. 

[Bigron]

We ain't all as rich as TB! 

Ron.

[Keith ABS]

 I have previously used Euro Pit Ron.
Three outlets close to you at Heybridge, Hatfield Perveral and Copford.
Albs has suffered very poor service from them, but I have not

[johnnydog]

I just buy part worn premium tyres with 6mm tread for about £50 each. Need to buy four in the next week or so.

It pays to physically check part worn tyres before being fitted. Many tyre outlets will not repair tyres that have got a screw through the shoulder near the sidewall, and fit a brand new replacement. If the damaged tyre has a reasonable amount of tread left, they can end up being sold on, having a vulcanised repair, and being sold again at used tyre outlets. Unless you specifically ask, I doubt many back street used tyre outfits show you the inside of any tyre they fit, so you would never know how many repairs the tyre has actually had until it's too late, and you have had a blow out.
I'd be very wary of part worn tyres, because you never know about unseen damage either. These days kerbs have become an everyday obstacle to be driven up by those that have no respect for their alloys, and that type of damage to the tyre structure would probably eventually only show itself at 70 mph in lane 3 of the motorway.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Until recently I fitted my own tyres, so they always got checked before fitting. Now I will check them myself before handing over the cash.
Ron, if you have a look on ebay there is a place in Braintree that sells lots of part worn premium tyres with approx. 6mm tread on them.

[TheBoy]

I just buy part worn premium tyres with 6mm tread for about £50 each. Need to buy four in the next week or so.

Thou shalt await your flagellation from TB for suggesting such things.

Its simply not cost effective. 5.5mm is half worn in reality (or completely knackered in Germany ), so you're paying a fortune for the amount of life remaining, *PLUS* you then have to find somebody prepared to fit them at somewhere in the region of £15-£20 a corner....   ….so you half worn, unknown tyre ends up costing you £70-£75, when a new premium one is £80-100 fitted...


So ignoring all the issues around a tyres unknown history is considered, it rarely makes financial sense

[amba]

Would you buy "Second Hand Shoes "

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

I didn't say 5.5mm and £70 fitted. I said 6mm  for £50 (often less actually)and I get them fitted for a tenner  pair.
A few years ago I would have agreed with you, but my Omega does 3k miles per year. I drive a lot slower than I used to, and I earn 30% less now than I did 15 years ago.
All these factors means it now works for me. 
Example.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2x235-45-17-94Y-Michelin-Primacy-HP-Green-X-Tread-6-2-mm-/163330684871?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=y6BJto8m56rYGqjzpY%252FmTDPXpwk%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc

Oh and part worn tyres dont infect my feet with nasty diseases. 

[amba]

3 very valid point.If I drove 3k a year in mine I may view things differently ,however for the 20k a year I do the economics would equate.

No Athletes Foot here either 

[dave the builder]

Just buy part worn premium tyres as a set ,on the correct alloy rims
then,when they are bald,sell them as a set of alloys with bald tyres 

It don't work with used shoes though 

[TheBoy]

I didn't say 5.5mm and £70 fitted. I said 6mm  for £50 (often less actually)and I get them fitted for a tenner  pair.

Even so, still halfworn at £60, or new £80-100.  To me, the financials don't work over new ones.


(And as said, that's not going into the discussion on potential issues with part worn, which may or may not be a factor for some)

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Anyone have any experience or knowledge of Accelera Phi R,s  ?

[Lazydocker]

Anyone have any experience or knowledge of Accelera Phi R,s  ?

Not as good as the Alpha IMHO, but probably more than sufficient for your needs 😉

(I found them lacking slightly for my requirements, but I’m much more sedate now anyway)

[Andy B]

Surely a 1 ton & 3/4, 150mph car should be shod with decent premium brand tyres ...... 

[TheBoy]

Surely a 1 ton & 3/4, 150mph car should be shod with decent premium brand tyres ...... 

Personally I think anything should, as even a Smart ForTwo will stop significantly quicker on premium tyres than on budgets in the wet.  But obviously its a personal choice.

[TheBoy]

Anyone have any experience or knowledge of Accelera Phi R,s  ?

Not as good as the Alpha IMHO, but probably more than sufficient for your needs 😉

(I found them lacking slightly for my requirements, but I’m much more sedate now anyway)

I found the Alphas pretty crap TBH.  Can't remember who's car it was now though, as was a few years back.  So "Not as good as the already crap Alphas" doesn't sit well with me.

[Andy B]

Surely a 1 ton & 3/4, 150mph car should be shod with decent premium brand tyres ...... 

Personally I think anything should, as even a Smart ForTwo will stop significantly quicker on premium tyres than on budgets in the wet.  But obviously its a personal choice.

My Smarts  do wear proper tyres ....