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[Doctor Gollum]

HUGE snip

 ...and as OOF slowly runs out of money, we have been looking at the cheapest possible options for some time.

I know the Admins don't like this subject being raised ....   but what can the "members" do to assist in funding OOF ?? We get an amazing service totally for free, and I, for one, would like to contribute in some way.

Part of the reason I would like to buy some more T Shirts, although the cars themselves are a bit of a mental illness

[TheBoy]

At the current rate, when OOF runs out of money, there will be no more Omegas...

...our prediction is about May time

Mine will still have 8 months MOT on it.

What about the dustpan you use to move it?


Actually, I seem to recall your MV6 is/was quite tidy, but its been a while since I've seen it

[JamesV6CDX]

I ask genuinely out of interest, because I’ve only recently started playing with Linux etc - but when VPS, or even cloud servers, are so cheap and available, what is the benefit in self hosting in today’s climate?

I have a Debian 9 VPS, 8gb RAM, 80gb HDD, decent CPU and connection for under £10 a month. That to me (personally) makes self hosting seem pointless

Again it’s not a dig - I’m genuinely curious

We do both

And times that by the 3 servers that are used to run the www.omegaowners.com site, we're into the realms of way beyond what OOF could afford .  And what we really, really, really don't want here is embedded ads and the like.  Performance for the cost is the prime driver for how we do things.

There are other security issues around the cheapie shared (inc VPS) type hosting, such as exposing databases to the Internet, and rogue processes running on the same physical iron - although the data we hold isn't that valuable beyond encrypted passwords (as many use same passwords for everything).


Our model is based on delivering "computationally cheap", but bandwidth hungry, static content from a low cost shared host, and "expensive" dynamic content from our own servers.


I can also tell that your host does not have support contracts in place, so when it all goes completely Pete Tong, you will get little assistance.  Which isn't usually an issue for a small home site, which is where shared (inc VPS) is aimed.  OOF would be harmed if we lost our huge library of guides and advice.


And those that were here at the start of OOF will well remember we started out on shared hosting, and got banned from their servers in less than a fortnight due to resource usage  .  That's why we "temporarily" ended up with our current model.  As it turns out, our self hosted components have proven to be generally more reliable that the externally hosted stuff.  And that in itself has made changing be constantly low down the priority list...  ...and as OOF slowly runs out of money, we have been looking at the cheapest possible options for some time.

That all makes good sense. As I say I’m long out of the industry and only playing / learning using out of the box stuff to Make a small scale Social media type site.

I particularly agree around not displaying ads, I hate seeing them on websites.

I agree around OVH being terrible for not having worthwhile reliability contracts etc, but for £10 a month for a decent vps (and £3 for a bottom end one) it works for me as I only have say 30 users online at any one time.

In terms of bandwidth, though, cloudflare says the web server used 50gb over the last month, and the host haven’t made any noises that I’m using too much, so that seems pretty fair for the cost?

I have toyed with the idea of a cloud VPS instead as there have been a few issues, in particular power outages in their Strasbourg datacentre 

[Kevin Wood]

At the current rate, when OOF runs out of money, there will be no more Omegas...

...our prediction is about May time

Mine will still have 8 months MOT on it.

What about the dustpan you use to move it?


Actually, I seem to recall your MV6 is/was quite tidy, but its been a while since I've seen it

It's still not bad, but something needs to be done about the rear wheel arches, and I haven't dared take the sill covers off*.

* - that's a lie. I promise it that I will sort out the cosmetic things once the mechanical things stop breaking but it never gives me a chance.