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Re: Trump concedes.
« Reply #120 on: 13 January 2021, 13:49:40 »

New or old, its terrifying prospect.  :o
Why? What difference would it make to you? Eh? Eh?  ;D

Its pure Socialism.If it were introduced in the U.S. it would be a very big signal that they have won, and Capitalism is on life support.
It has also been suggested in this country by the usual suspects, and if the yanks do it, we probably wouldnt be far behind.
Terrifying.

By no stretch of the imagination could Milton Friedman (UBI/negative income tax) be described as a socialist
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Re: Trump concedes.
« Reply #121 on: 13 January 2021, 14:26:25 »

A little research has easily shown that the figures quoted by DG are actually the result of the debate to try and force the vice-president to invoke Article 25 of the Constitution to remove the President ..

They have absolutely NOTHING to do with the action to impeach him .... as that has not yet been debated or voted on.

Apples and oranges .... but never let the truth get in the way of a good confabulation ......    :)
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Re: Trump concedes.
« Reply #122 on: 13 January 2021, 14:50:24 »

New or old, its terrifying prospect.  :o
Why? What difference would it make to you? Eh? Eh?  ;D

Its pure Socialism.If it were introduced in the U.S. it would be a very big signal that they have won, and Capitalism is on life support.
It has also been suggested in this country by the usual suspects, and if the yanks do it, we probably wouldnt be far behind.
Terrifying.

By no stretch of the imagination could Milton Friedman (UBI/negative income tax) be described as a socialist

I havent described him as a Socialist, but for reasons best known to himself he is perpetuating Socialism by another name.
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Re: Trump concedes.
« Reply #123 on: 13 January 2021, 14:56:09 »

New or old, its terrifying prospect.  :o
Why? What difference would it make to you? Eh? Eh?  ;D

Its pure Socialism.If it were introduced in the U.S. it would be a very big signal that they have won, and Capitalism is on life support.
It has also been suggested in this country by the usual suspects, and if the yanks do it, we probably wouldnt be far behind.
Terrifying.

By no stretch of the imagination could Milton Friedman (UBI/negative income tax) be described as a socialist

I havent described him as a Socialist, but for reasons best known to himself he is perpetuating Socialism by another name.
Like anything else, socialism itself is not in any way harmful. It's the way people interpret socialism that makes it dangerous. We will, after all, be getting a socialist government in this country sooner or later. I just hope it's not Corbyn's brand of socialism.
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Re: Trump concedes.
« Reply #124 on: 13 January 2021, 14:56:38 »

In fact, I think we're nearly there with this government.
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Re: Trump concedes.
« Reply #125 on: 13 January 2021, 15:05:36 »

In fact, I think we're nearly there with this government.


Yes....you can't get more socialist than the government paying peoples wages.

No viable alternative though. So I suppose you could say that Socialism works when capitalism no longer works.
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Re: Trump concedes.
« Reply #126 on: 13 January 2021, 15:08:46 »

In fact, I think we're nearly there with this government.


Yes....you can't get more socialist than the government paying peoples wages.

No viable alternative though. So I suppose you could say that Socialism works when capitalism no longer works.
In the course of a country's history, there are times when one or the other works best. A middle of the road combination of both would be nice, but getting big companies to see it that way might be tricky. Shareholders don't like it up 'em, you know ;D
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Re: Trump concedes.
« Reply #127 on: 13 January 2021, 16:21:31 »


Its pure Socialism. If it were introduced in the U.S. it would be a very big signal that they have won, and Capitalism is on life support.


It's more like the traditional definition of liberalism. Please note the lower case l. But this is what happens when people use what used to be firmly defined terms as very loose insults. This is also true for right wing terms; Nazi and Fascist were two very different movements in two very different countries, yet they're thrown around as synonyms.


Let's not forget that much of the US Democratic Party would be considered true blue Conservatives(note the capital C) in this country.


Capitalism will be superseded, just like a long line of political theories that were once considered radical.
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Re: Trump concedes.
« Reply #128 on: 13 January 2021, 16:44:29 »


Its pure Socialism. If it were introduced in the U.S. it would be a very big signal that they have won, and Capitalism is on life support.


It's more like the traditional definition of liberalism. Please note the lower case l. But this is what happens when people use what used to be firmly defined terms as very loose insults. This is also true for right wing terms; Nazi and Fascist were two very different movements in two very different countries, yet they're thrown around as synonyms.


Let's not forget that much of the US Democratic Party would be considered true blue Conservatives(note the capital C) in this country.


Capitalism will be superseded, just like a long line of political theories that were once considered radical.

Yes....Opti-ism has a certain ring to it. :)
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Re: Trump concedes.
« Reply #129 on: 13 January 2021, 17:16:16 »

If the Government are going to pay peoples wages regardless of whether or not they work, why will anyone want to go to work, unless they earn a really high salary.
So the next question is, where will the money come from to pay all the wages if hardly anyone bothers going to work ?
Someone hasnt thought this through.  ::)
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Re: Trump concedes.
« Reply #130 on: 13 January 2021, 17:21:56 »

If the Government are going to pay peoples wages regardless of whether or not they work, why will anyone want to go to work, unless they earn a really high salary.
So the next question is, where will the money come from to pay all the wages if hardly anyone bothers going to work ?
Someone hasnt thought this through.  ::)

Where have you been these last few years ?? Everyone knows you simply go and pick it from the "Money Tree" which, magically, grows more money overnight ....... (page 1092 labour party manifesto)
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Re: Trump concedes.
« Reply #131 on: 13 January 2021, 17:25:35 »



Where have you been these last few years ?? Everyone knows you simply go and pick it from the "Money Tree" which, magically, grows more money overnight ....... (page 1092 labour party manifesto)

Wrong, wrong, wrong, WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11!!!!!!one1!!!!!!!!!!!!




It's Page 1 of the manifesto.
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Re: Trump concedes.
« Reply #132 on: 13 January 2021, 19:16:46 »

Trump still had a trick up his sleeve!  :D

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Re: Trump concedes.
« Reply #133 on: 13 January 2021, 19:25:35 »

If the Government are going to pay peoples wages regardless of whether or not they work, why will anyone want to go to work, unless they earn a really high salary.
So the next question is, where will the money come from to pay all the wages if hardly anyone bothers going to work ?
Someone hasnt thought this through.  ::)

Where have you been these last few years ?? Everyone knows you simply go and pick it from the "Money Tree" which, magically, grows more money overnight ....... (page 1092 labour party manifesto)

Its not just the Labour manifesto any more though. A multi millionaire footballer complains on Soshill meeja and the Tory Govt. do as he says because they are too scared to tell people the cold hard truth.
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Re: Trump concedes.
« Reply #134 on: 13 January 2021, 19:34:07 »


Its pure Socialism. If it were introduced in the U.S. it would be a very big signal that they have won, and Capitalism is on life support.


It's more like the traditional definition of liberalism. Please note the lower case l. But this is what happens when people use what used to be firmly defined terms as very loose insults. This is also true for right wing terms; Nazi and Fascist were two very different movements in two very different countries, yet they're thrown around as synonyms.


Let's not forget that much of the US Democratic Party would be considered true blue Conservatives(note the capital C) in this country.


Capitalism will be superseded, just like a long line of political theories that were once considered radical.

The state paying people wages as a step forward from having a welfare system to take care of those most in genuine need is not traditional liberalism. Its nothing short of Marxism. "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need".
The U.S. Democratic party was similar to our new very pale blue conservative party (note the lower case c) but not any more. In the last 10 to 15 years it has moved further and further to the left, and is now probably further left than the post Corbyn Labour party.
Capitalism cant really be superseded. Its as old as the first occasion one person had something another person wanted.
People who have thought themselves to be so clever that they could come up with a better system have come close to destroying civilisation, but people somehow still believe in it.
Thats why I finf it terrifying.
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