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Title: Car shopping
Post by: Jimbob on 07 September 2018, 18:53:17
Looking to replace the Zafira.

Had a wander around the local car supermarket today, and cam up with the following ideas, in choice order....

Skoda Superb
Mazda 6
Toyata Avensis

Any thoughts, or pearls of wisdom on any of these?  Not got as far as researching them in depth yet, or even driving them.
All under 3 years old, and latest shapes of each.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 07 September 2018, 19:14:25
If you must give up, at least consider an Avensis Verso. In brown.

Joking aside, a three year old Superb was probably a taxi... Scottish reg will be a big clue and will be a risk out of warranty.

The Mazda will look shiny but don't expect to get three years out of it before it needs welding.

The Avensis is probably the only sane choice of the three.

Alternatively, buy something nice for less.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: 2boxerdogs on 07 September 2018, 19:45:48
Avoid the Mazda , I had one from new a few years back terrible rust problems after a short while shame because mechanically 100 percent reliable.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: STEMO on 07 September 2018, 19:49:30
Avoid the Mazda , I had one from new a few years back terrible rust problems after a short while shame because mechanically 100 percent reliable.
I'm surprised at that. Back in the day, Japanese cars like Datsuns were not known to rust.  ;D
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: 2boxerdogs on 07 September 2018, 19:54:40
Avoid the Mazda , I had one from new a few years back terrible rust problems after a short while shame because mechanically 100 percent reliable.
I'm surprised at that. Back in the day, Japanese cars like Datsuns were not known to rust.  ;D
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When I had my Terracan rustproofed at Rustbusters in Spalding I asked in their opinion what were the best & worst cars for rust best were VW worst were Land Rover & Mazda they reckon Mazda we worse than Lancia , who had terrible problems a few years back.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Jimbob on 07 September 2018, 20:47:17
Jury's well and truely out on what to go for.

Need
Decent size
Decent comfort
Decent performance
Decent economy
Decent reliability
Decent Age & Mileage

Searching £10-15K, but wanting to spend in the middle of that bracket
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: tunnie on 07 September 2018, 20:56:54
Not considering Zafira Tourer?
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: tunnie on 07 September 2018, 20:58:56
Or one of the last old shape Insignia, with whisper engine and upgraded leather?
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: tunnie on 07 September 2018, 21:02:29
Eg:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201806277879632 (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201806277879632)
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Jimbob on 07 September 2018, 21:15:41
Not keen on Insignia's  old or new to be honest.

Dont want or need 7 seats anymore, and the interior of most of them is too 'buttoney'  saw one with a decent nav screen which was less cluttered, but no, going back to car shape now really.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 07 September 2018, 21:17:48
Merc C or E class ?
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Jimbob on 07 September 2018, 21:24:26
I actually like the Merc's

The C I sat in was too small, and also the engine sounded rough, but happy to try in an E class.
I like Merc's. but worry that I shouldnt ;D ;D ;D  Im also concerned it would have to be older and higher mileage to be in budget
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: tunnie on 07 September 2018, 21:46:46
From the Mercs I like CLS, but for say £12k looking at 2012 era and 70k miles+
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Jimbob on 07 September 2018, 21:49:49
Yes, doing 20k a year I ideally want newer and less run in.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: tunnie on 07 September 2018, 22:09:26
Will you DIY service? Worth considering/researching videos, I’ve been doing that.

Significant differences on just how easy they are to service and run, I initially rejected Insignia’s but after running the Zaf for a year and servicing it, I would consider one.

TD took over an hour to do pollen filter and videos suggest it’s a pig of a job, sub 5 minutes on the Zaf and Insignia, including a tea break.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: tunnie on 07 September 2018, 22:10:34
Also Vauxhall one of the few left doing traditional slush boxes, none of the fancy DCT type ones.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Jimbob on 07 September 2018, 22:24:42
Yes, intending to do what I can myself.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: tunnie on 07 September 2018, 23:04:26
Yes, intending to do what I can myself.

Have a search, big differences in ease of service.

I found it difficult just to jack and axel stand the VW, the Zaf is nice and easy just like Omega.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 08 September 2018, 07:58:46
Save a third of your budget and buy a proper car...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201809030104336
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: TheBoy on 08 September 2018, 09:28:03
Save a third of your budget and buy a proper car...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201809030104336
Not sure Jimbob is old enough yet, but at least his own bodily outputs will mask the natural smell of wee that the X350/X358 will have :D

That said, I do like my big pussy - refined, quickish (noticeably quicker that bro's similar engined S class parts bin), comfortable and well equipped.  Downsides are length/size makes it cumbersome in tight spaces, and the high window line makes visibility far poorer than Omegas and other older cars. Plus although its very capable in the corners, its not a drivers car like its smaller brother, the XF.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Jimbob on 08 September 2018, 11:21:17
Save a third of your budget and buy a proper car...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201809030104336

Nice, except its not an estate (should have said)  and the steering wheel is a giant round turd!
Oh, and its old and uneconomical
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: tunnie on 08 September 2018, 11:38:59
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201808239777326 (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201808239777326)

Basic DIY service like oil and filters, actually look nice and straight forward, from of the YouTube videos I’ve looked at.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 08 September 2018, 11:58:01
Save a third of your budget and buy a proper car...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201809030104336
Not sure Jimbob is old enough yet, but at least his own bodily outputs will mask the natural smell of wee that the X350/X358 will have :D

That said, I do like my big pussy - refined, quickish (noticeably quicker that bro's similar engined S class parts bin), comfortable and well equipped.  Downsides are length/size makes it cumbersome in tight spaces, and the high window line makes visibility far poorer than Omegas and other older cars. Plus although its very capable in the corners, its not a drivers car like its smaller brother, the XF.

Speaking of 'elderly' Indian cars I notice my old Tata has resurfaced. This time in desirable Preston. :)




Strange as I told it to Jaguar Watford. ???
 

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201808239795248 (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201808239795248)
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 08 September 2018, 12:16:42
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201808239777326 (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201808239777326)

Basic DIY service like oil and filters, actually look nice and straight forward, from of the YouTube videos I’ve looked at.

Although my 530d is 14 years older than this, it's very easy to service, as the only thing that you have to get underneath for is to drop the oil.  :y
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 08 September 2018, 12:18:07

Speaking of 'elderly' Indian cars I notice my old Tata has resurfaced. This time in desirable Preston. :)




Strange as I told it to Jaguar Watford. ???

 

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201808239795248 (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201808239795248)


Same dealer group?  ???
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: STEMO on 08 September 2018, 12:30:59
Save a third of your budget and buy a proper car...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201809030104336
Not sure Jimbob is old enough yet, but at least his own bodily outputs will mask the natural smell of wee that the X350/X358 will have :D

That said, I do like my big pussy - refined, quickish (noticeably quicker that bro's similar engined S class parts bin), comfortable and well equipped.  Downsides are length/size makes it cumbersome in tight spaces, and the high window line makes visibility far poorer than Omegas and other older cars. Plus although its very capable in the corners, its not a drivers car like its smaller brother, the XF.

Speaking of 'elderly' Indian cars I notice my old Tata has resurfaced. This time in desirable Preston. :)




Strange as I told it to Jaguar Watford. ???
 

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201808239795248 (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201808239795248)
What made you chop it in? It seems quite....ermm....adequate to me.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 08 September 2018, 12:35:04
The ashtray was full.  ;)
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 08 September 2018, 12:37:15
Save a third of your budget and buy a proper car...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201809030104336
Not sure Jimbob is old enough yet, but at least his own bodily outputs will mask the natural smell of wee that the X350/X358 will have :D

That said, I do like my big pussy - refined, quickish (noticeably quicker that bro's similar engined S class parts bin), comfortable and well equipped.  Downsides are length/size makes it cumbersome in tight spaces, and the high window line makes visibility far poorer than Omegas and other older cars. Plus although its very capable in the corners, its not a drivers car like its smaller brother, the XF.

Speaking of 'elderly' Indian cars I notice my old Tata has resurfaced. This time in desirable Preston. :)




Strange as I told it to Jaguar Watford. ???
 

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201808239795248 (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201808239795248)
What made you chop it in? It seems quite....ermm....adequate to me.

When I sold it it had around 48000 miles under it's wheels. My new XFR had only 8000 miles (now about 13000)

It was a fine car but they offered me a good  P/X deal so................. :)


Having said that there wasn't a lot of logic involved. ::)
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: STEMO on 08 September 2018, 12:40:45
Right. And how does the price they are asking compare to what they gave you for trade in?
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 08 September 2018, 12:43:36
Right. And how does the price they are asking compare to what they gave you for trade in?

Ah...yes. Most dealer were offering around £23500 as a P/X.

Jaguar Watford offered £25000......I knew there was a 'reason' in there somewhere. :)

They then put it up for sale at £29995.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 08 September 2018, 12:47:00
The ashtray was full.  ;)

Not had a ciggy since 1980. Although I have been known to partake in the twisted extra long roll your own variety.

If it's good enough for Elon Musk....... :)
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: STEMO on 08 September 2018, 12:54:03
Right. And how does the price they are asking compare to what they gave you for trade in?

Ah...yes. Most dealer were offering around £23500 as a P/X.

Jaguar Watford offered £25000......I knew there was a 'reason' in there somewhere. :)

They then put it up for sale at £29995.
Now on sale at under £24K. Hmmmm. I think that's a lot of car for the money, although buying is only the first instalment on cars like that. For someone like me, who refuses to get his hands dirty, services, maintenance and road fund license would probably make my eyes water.
It all comes down to two things for me: How much am I willing to pay for the stupid grin on my face, and living with the frustration of never really being able to open the taps. I dropped my lad in Bradford this morning, 33 miles each way on M1 and M62. Took me best part of an hour each way. Ford anglia or 5 litre jag would have made no difference.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 08 September 2018, 13:02:40
Right. And how does the price they are asking compare to what they gave you for trade in?

Ah...yes. Most dealer were offering around £23500 as a P/X.

Jaguar Watford offered £25000......I knew there was a 'reason' in there somewhere. :)

They then put it up for sale at £29995.
Now on sale at under £24K. Hmmmm. I think that's a lot of car for the money, although buying is only the first instalment on cars like that. For someone like me, who refuses to get his hands dirty, services, maintenance and road fund license would probably make my eyes water.
It all comes down to two things for me: How much am I willing to pay for the stupid grin on my face, and living with the frustration of never really being able to open the taps. I dropped my lad in Bradford this morning, 33 miles each way on M1 and M62. Took me best part of an hour each way. Ford anglia or 5 litre jag would have made no difference.

You have a point, up to a point......

Tyres, brakes, etc..etc... are all expensive consumables.

But....... using the Jaguar 3+ service plan it only cost £199 for a small and less than £300 for a major service.

Insurance is £300 P/A and road tax is the same as the mighty Signum......about £11 a week.

Let's not add depreciation to the cost equation because I don't 'do sensible' very well. :)
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: STEMO on 08 September 2018, 13:05:11
Right. And how does the price they are asking compare to what they gave you for trade in?

Ah...yes. Most dealer were offering around £23500 as a P/X.

Jaguar Watford offered £25000......I knew there was a 'reason' in there somewhere. :)

They then put it up for sale at £29995.
Now on sale at under £24K. Hmmmm. I think that's a lot of car for the money, although buying is only the first instalment on cars like that. For someone like me, who refuses to get his hands dirty, services, maintenance and road fund license would probably make my eyes water.
It all comes down to two things for me: How much am I willing to pay for the stupid grin on my face, and living with the frustration of never really being able to open the taps. I dropped my lad in Bradford this morning, 33 miles each way on M1 and M62. Took me best part of an hour each way. Ford anglia or 5 litre jag would have made no difference.

You have a point, up to a point......

Tyres, brakes, etc..etc... are all expensive consumables.

But....... using the Jaguar 3+ service plan it only cost £199 for a small and less than £300 for a major service.

Insurance is £300 P/A and road tax is the same as the mighty Signum......about £11 a week.

Let's not add depreciation to the cost equation because I don't 'do sensible' very well. :)
And the bit about crawling everywhere at 50 mph?
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: STEMO on 08 September 2018, 13:08:48
My astra is much faster on the M1 than almost anything else. On the way back this morning, I could tell a few beemers and audis thought my Vauxhall to be an upstart. But the couldn't keep up with me. Why, I wonder? ::)
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 08 September 2018, 13:24:42

Speaking of 'elderly' Indian cars I notice my old Tata has resurfaced. This time in desirable Preston. :)




Strange as I told it to Jaguar Watford. ???
 

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201808239795248 (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201808239795248)

The advert says it has had 4 owners.  Which number owner were you M'lud?  ???
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 08 September 2018, 13:33:08

Speaking of 'elderly' Indian cars I notice my old Tata has resurfaced. This time in desirable Preston. :)




Strange as I told it to Jaguar Watford. ???
 

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201808239795248 (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201808239795248)

The advert says it has had 4 owners.  Which number owner were you M'lud?  ???

According to the log book the first owner was a doctor. I was number 2, which suggests people do not keep their cars for very long.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: STEMO on 08 September 2018, 13:35:30
Come on, gits, you never asked me why my astra was the fastest car on the M1.  ;D
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 08 September 2018, 13:37:21
My astra is much faster on the M1 than almost anything else. On the way back this morning, I could tell a few beemers and audis thought my Vauxhall to be an upstart. But the couldn't keep up with me. Why, I wonder? ::)

Perhaps I'm odd but I always thought your Astra estate was a good looking car. A proper engine and a less offensive colour and it could have been a keeper.

Much the same with the Tunnie Passat. Nice looking coupe let down by the Massey Ferguson engine. :)
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 08 September 2018, 13:39:30
Come on, gits, you never asked me why my astra was the fastest car on the M1.  ;D

I assumed it was part and parcel of a 'delusional personality' :)
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: STEMO on 08 September 2018, 13:39:57
My astra is much faster on the M1 than almost anything else. On the way back this morning, I could tell a few beemers and audis thought my Vauxhall to be an upstart. But the couldn't keep up with me. Why, I wonder? ::)

Perhaps I'm odd but I always thought your Astra estate was a good looking car. A proper engine and a less offensive colour and it could have been a keeper.

Much the same with the Tunnie Passat. Nice looking coupe let down by the Massey Ferguson engine. :)
Mine is a keeper, suits me perfectly.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Kevin Wood on 08 September 2018, 14:28:57

Much the same with the Tunnie Passat. Nice looking coupe let down by the Massey Ferguson engine. :)

Steady on! VAG cars aren't anything like that reliable. ;)
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 08 September 2018, 16:02:19
Jury's well and truely out on what to go for.

Need
Decent size
Decent comfort
Decent performance
Decent economy
Decent reliability
Decent Age & Mileage

Searching £10-15K, but wanting to spend in the middle of that bracket
Define decent ::)

Buy an approved used Avensis from a main dealer and build a relationship with them and call it done :y

E Class would be my personal choice, top of your budget should reach a 3 year old 220.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: henryd on 08 September 2018, 16:38:20

Much the same with the Tunnie Passat. Nice looking coupe let down by the Massey Ferguson engine. :)

Steady on! VAG cars aren't anything like that reliable. ;)

Oh,I'm not so sure,my Touareg has just clicked 160k and in the three years I've owned its only had servicing,no repairs
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 08 September 2018, 16:57:54

Much the same with the Tunnie Passat. Nice looking coupe let down by the Massey Ferguson engine. :)

Steady on! VAG cars aren't anything like that reliable. ;)

Oh,I'm not so sure,my Touareg has just clicked 160k and in the three years I've owned its only had servicing,no repairs
Yes, but it's basically a Porsche :D
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: tunnie on 08 September 2018, 16:59:43

Much the same with the Tunnie Passat. Nice looking coupe let down by the Massey Ferguson engine. :)

Steady on! VAG cars aren't anything like that reliable. ;)

Oh,I'm not so sure,my Touareg has just clicked 160k and in the three years I've owned its only had servicing,no repairs

FWD, little it too stiff and road noise were my grumbles with my VW.

I'd consider a Pheaton, really cheap!
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: TheBoy on 08 September 2018, 17:13:55
I'd consider a Pheaton, really cheap!
Terry the chip man borrowed one for a few months. Nice motor, but electrical gremlins are hard to sort (but less hassle than the beemer he's currently borrowed and fighting with the headlights :D).  That one was the LWB version and was just too bloody big :D.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 08 September 2018, 17:23:03
I'd consider a Pheaton, really cheap!
Terry the chip man borrowed one for a few months. Nice motor, but electrical gremlins are hard to sort (but less hassle than the beemer he's currently borrowed and fighting with the headlights :D). That one was the LWB version and was just too bloody big :D.

I've seen a few and I like them. Cheap to buy but as TB says......they are huge.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: BazaJT on 08 September 2018, 19:18:48
Don't think they do an estate Phaeton do they? Isn't the Phaeton an Audi A8 by another name?There's a chap round the corner from me who has one of each and they look similar enough and are both much the same size.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 08 September 2018, 19:51:21
Here's an idea...

Throw all £15k at your mortgage and keep the Zafira another year...
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: pscocoa on 08 September 2018, 20:06:20
After a long search my daughter and son in law just got a good deal on the Skoda Octavia VRS Estate 4 × 4 Auto. You may be able to push for extra warranty.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: relluf on 08 September 2018, 20:38:10
Jury's well and truely out on what to go for.

Need
Decent size
Decent comfort
Decent performance
Decent economy
Decent reliability
Decent Age & Mileage

Searching £10-15K, but wanting to spend in the middle of that bracket
Define decent ::)

Buy an approved used Avensis from a main dealer and build a relationship with them and call it done :y

E Class would be my personal choice, top of your budget should reach a 3 year old 220.



Pretty much this , get yourselves down to Lindops and strike a deal for an Avensis!!


We had one as a rental from enterprise for a week or so ,it was diesel , but fully loaded with all sorts of toys and was actually very nice to drive ,fantastic on the motorway , very tourquey went like stink(it was a rental!!!), but yes quite impressive.
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or this here do
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201808249825943?model=AVENSIS&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&radius=40&advertising-location=at_cars&make=TOYOTA&sort=mileage&postcode=ll116ln&body-type=Estate&page=1
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: STEMO on 08 September 2018, 20:59:33
That wouldn't pull you out of bed.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: relluf on 08 September 2018, 21:05:36
Admittedly that ones only a 1600, but 50 odd mpg😊
And Jimbob doesn't drive fast😉
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Jimbob on 08 September 2018, 21:10:48
Here's an idea...

Throw all £15k at your mortgage and keep the Zafira another year...

Not too worried about the mortgage currently.

Zafira, its approaching 150k now, and wants quite a bit spending on it both to get it as I want it, and to pass the next mot.  Think the time has come.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: STEMO on 08 September 2018, 21:14:11
Here's an idea...

Throw all £15k at your mortgage and keep the Zafira another year...

Not too worried about the mortgage currently.

Zafira, its approaching 150k now, and wants quite a bit spending on it both to get it as I want it, and to pass the next mot.  Think the time has come.
At 150K it owes you nowt. As you say, time to say goodbye. Don't overthink it, most modern cars will give you what you want.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 09 September 2018, 00:56:59
Here's an idea...

Throw all £15k at your mortgage and keep the Zafira another year...

Not too worried about the mortgage currently.
OK, I will rephrase the question... Which is better? Owing £15,000 less on your home or owning a shiny car?
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 09 September 2018, 01:07:37
Here's an idea...

Throw all £15k at your mortgage and keep the Zafira another year...

Not too worried about the mortgage currently.
OK, I will rephrase the question... Which is better? Owing £15,000 less on your home or owning a shiny car?

He wants a shiny new car FFS!  ::)  :P
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 09 September 2018, 01:46:34
Here's an idea...

Throw all £15k at your mortgage and keep the Zafira another year...

Not too worried about the mortgage currently.
OK, I will rephrase the question... Which is better? Owing £15,000 less on your home or owning a shiny car?

He wants a shiny new car FFS!  ::)  :P
https://goo.gl/images/EdQofB

 ::)
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Jimbob on 09 September 2018, 06:37:20
Certainly some nice looking E Class about
Not too far out our age / mileage expectations either.
No idea on maintenance costs of em though....

Ill have to find one locally for a nose at.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Kevin Wood on 09 September 2018, 14:00:20
Here's an idea...

Throw all £15k at your mortgage and keep the Zafira another year...

Not too worried about the mortgage currently.
OK, I will rephrase the question... Which is better? Owing £15,000 less on your home or owning a shiny car?
Fair comment. There's precious little around 2nd hand that would enthuse me to part with that much cash at the moment.
I think I'd just chuck £5-6k at something boring and lowish mileage that will absorb some commuting miles and call it "white goods". :-\
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: TheBoy on 09 September 2018, 14:26:00
Here's an idea...

Throw all £15k at your mortgage and keep the Zafira another year...

Not too worried about the mortgage currently.
OK, I will rephrase the question... Which is better? Owing £15,000 less on your home or owning a shiny car?
Fair comment. There's precious little around 2nd hand that would enthuse me to part with that much cash at the moment.
I think I'd just chuck £5-6k at something boring and lowish mileage that will absorb some commuting miles and call it "white goods". :-\
Yup, in view of the fact that there is 3 parts of buggerall that's even remotely desirable, I'd do similar.  Or run the worthless Zaffy until it stopped, then pick up another mongrel shitbox with 12months ticket, in the hope something eventually comes along....   ….but don't hold your breath.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: STEMO on 09 September 2018, 15:39:19
I've been accused (by that rich fella from Lincolnsausageshire) of describing my car as if it were a washing machine or something similar, and that's exactly how I look at it. I pick my car to do the job I want it to do, reliably and as cheaply as is reasonable. 
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 09 September 2018, 18:30:56
I've been accused (by that rich fella from Lincolnsausageshire) of describing my car as if it were a washing machine or something similar, and that's exactly how I look at it. I pick my car to do the job I want it to do, reliably and as cheaply as is reasonable.

Rolls Royce or Reliant Robin I doubt if wife or whippet can tell the difference. :y
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: BazaJT on 09 September 2018, 18:46:18
Honda Civic or Accord estate?
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Jimbob on 11 September 2018, 12:36:04
Just been sat in an A6 2 litre s-line special, 61 plate, so older than I wanted, but only 32k on the clock!
Looked well featured and tempting!
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Jimbob on 11 September 2018, 12:40:11
ignore that, checked its history and its mileage has somehow decreased since its last mot!
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 11 September 2018, 13:23:15
If its a trader selling it, report them.  ;)
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Jimbob on 11 September 2018, 13:26:43
If its a trader selling it, report them.  ;)

tempting, but mileage history quite unusual, so wouldnt put it past the prev owner to have had vcds and been doing it themselves every year!
2014 42468
2015 44800
2016 47409
2017 48966
Today 32something
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 11 September 2018, 13:38:23
Even so, the trader should have checked this and not bought the car in the first place. Or at least put it straight into auction rather than on the forecourt :y
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 11 September 2018, 13:38:45
If its a trader selling it, report them.  ;)

tempting, but mileage history quite unusual, so wouldnt put it past the prev owner to have had vcds and been doing it themselves every year!
2014 42468
2015 44800
2016 47409
2017 48966
Today 32something

 ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: BazaJT on 11 September 2018, 19:54:19
can't think why I didn't suggest these earlier[especially as I own one ::)]what about Volvo V70 or XC[cross country all wheel drive version]70 or if they were out early enough the V90? Incredibly capable machines and pretty near a match for the Omega comfort wise if mine is anything to go by :y
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 12 September 2018, 08:26:06
The Superbs are a good car, the Toyotas are about as interesting as Stemo's slippers.....

But then you know I would be hunting out an XF Sportbrake to get correct wheel drive.

Never been impressed with the non AWD Audi's, the handling is pretty poor and under steer bad.

I now where there will be an F-Pace going soon but, somewhat out of budget  ;)
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Jimbob on 12 September 2018, 08:34:10
Written off the Toyota and Mazda I think now anyway.

Still like the newest Superb.
This Audi was AWD, shame it wasnt as it appeared to be, it fitted me and felt right, if that makes sense.
Looking at an E-Class shortly.
Not seen a Jag estate fitting the bill yet, either getting on a bit, or intergallactic milage.
Keep thinking do I REALLY need an estate, but am sure i'd regret it if I didnt have one.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Jimbob on 12 September 2018, 08:47:45
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201809020082250?make=JAGUAR%26model=XF%26utm_source=Email_a_Friend%26utm_medium=Email%26utm_campaign=Email_a_friend_car

looks quite nice!
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 12 September 2018, 08:50:16
Written off the Toyota and Mazda I think now anyway.

Still like the newest Superb.
This Audi was AWD, shame it wasnt as it appeared to be, it fitted me and felt right, if that makes sense.
Looking at an E-Class shortly.
Not seen a Jag estate fitting the bill yet, either getting on a bit, or intergallactic milage.
Keep thinking do I REALLY need an estate, but am sure i'd regret it if I didnt have one.

BE aware then that it ill need 4 tyres at a time due to the AWD setup used (true of most AWD setups), which gets quite pricey!
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Jimbob on 12 September 2018, 08:52:54
useful, cheers! 4 big tyres at once is not fun!
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: tunnie on 12 September 2018, 09:17:09
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201808239777326 (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201808239777326)

Basic DIY service like oil and filters, actually look nice and straight forward, from of the YouTube videos I’ve looked at.

Id still strongly consider a 5 series like that one, if not going Vauxhall.

The XF estates did not come across that big when I briefly looked at one.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 12 September 2018, 09:45:18
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201808239777326 (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201808239777326)

Basic DIY service like oil and filters, actually look nice and straight forward, from of the YouTube videos I’ve looked at.

Id still strongly consider a 5 series like that one, if not going Vauxhall.

The XF estates did not come across that big when I briefly looked at one.

It's derv. :-X
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: tunnie on 12 September 2018, 09:46:33
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201808239777326 (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201808239777326)

Basic DIY service like oil and filters, actually look nice and straight forward, from of the YouTube videos I’ve looked at.

Id still strongly consider a 5 series like that one, if not going Vauxhall.

The XF estates did not come across that big when I briefly looked at one.

It's derv. :-X

See out petrols and options are very limited.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 12 September 2018, 10:11:26
You already have a perfectly good estate... ???

And if you don't want to spend the money more wisely, £15k buys alot of maintenance and petrol...
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 12 September 2018, 10:23:03
You already have a perfectly good estate... ???

And if you don't want to spend the money more wisely, £15k buys alot of maintenance and petrol...

Stop trying to be a financial advisor.  He wants a shiny new car FFS!  ::)
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 12 September 2018, 10:57:03
You already have a perfectly good estate... ???

£15k buys alot of maintenance and petrol...
:P
Significant corrosion is about he only reason to be disposing of an Omega.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Jimbob on 12 September 2018, 11:03:21
The omega is going nowhere. And I don’t want to spend upwards of a grand on the zafira. I’ve a budget and am prepared to spend it.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 12 September 2018, 11:29:05
Clearly  :y

Living near Cheshire is no excuse to buy an Audi though ::)
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 12 September 2018, 15:32:03
Here do...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201806277905009 :y
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: henryd on 12 September 2018, 16:25:16
Here do...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201806277905009 :y

Bit leggy for Jimbob if he's doing 20k per annum ::)
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 12 September 2018, 16:51:38
Here do...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201806277905009 :y

Bit leggy for Jimbob if he's doing 20k per annum ::)
It will wear the mileage ;)
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Jimbob on 13 September 2018, 07:35:08
Not actually keen on the CLS
Volvo's fit the bill from the outside, but dont like them inside, console digs into my legs.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Jimbob on 13 September 2018, 07:40:44
Could be tempted to have a closer look at this
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201809020082250?make=JAGUAR%26model=XF%26utm_source=Email_a_Friend%26utm_medium=Email%26utm_campaign=Email_a_friend_car
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: tigers_gonads on 13 September 2018, 14:10:26
I don't know how large it has to be but a couple of taxi drivers I know are running Toyota Auris Hybrid Estates.

Pretty good on fuel.
More room then you would think and you just know it isn't going to go wrong  :y 


Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: STEMO on 13 September 2018, 14:46:39
I don't know how large it has to be but a couple of taxi drivers I know are running Toyota Auris Hybrid Estates.

Pretty good on fuel.
More room then you would think and you just know it isn't going to go wrong  :y
Jaguar XF v Toyota Auris. Tough one.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: tunnie on 13 September 2018, 14:49:08
I don't know how large it has to be but a couple of taxi drivers I know are running Toyota Auris Hybrid Estates.

Pretty good on fuel.
More room then you would think and you just know it isn't going to go wrong  :y
Jaguar XF v Toyota Auris. Tough one.

Nice bit of cheese or some dusty chalk with your glass of red wine. Hummmm.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 13 September 2018, 16:27:06
Oooo you pair of bitches!  ;D
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 13 September 2018, 16:37:24
Oooo you pair of bitches!  ;D
My neighbour is on his second Auris Hybrid... Apparently costs him two thirds of sod all in petrol... His car prior to these was a Volvo s40, so anything would clearly be an improvement  :D
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 13 September 2018, 16:40:26
I saw a Mondeo Hybrid yesterday.  I didn't know Ford did them.  :-\
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 13 September 2018, 16:42:52
Here do...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201808279892061

Good price and spec... Enough change to take the kids to Orlando for a fortnight at Christmas.  :y
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Jimbob on 13 September 2018, 17:41:10
Here do...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201808279892061

Good price and spec... Enough change to take the kids to Orlando for a fortnight at Christmas.  :y

yup, and way too old, and way too many miles.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Jimbob on 13 September 2018, 17:42:40
Auris is a bit small, Not been in an E Class yet,
Still liking Superb
Still liking Jag
Like the fact the Superb is a lot lower miles and nearly new over the jag, but like the jag over the superb, cos its a jag, and the right wheels go round
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: TheBoy on 13 September 2018, 17:48:06
Could be tempted to have a closer look at this
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201809020082250?make=JAGUAR%26model=XF%26utm_source=Email_a_Friend%26utm_medium=Email%26utm_campaign=Email_a_friend_car
Looks to be missing about 800cc, 2 cylinders and 100bhp.  Then I might consider it, *IF* I could live with an estate ;D

But if it fits your needs... ;)
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 13 September 2018, 18:02:42
Here do...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201808279892061

Good price and spec... Enough change to take the kids to Orlando for a fortnight at Christmas.  :y

yup, and way too old, and way too many miles.
I nearly posted an M reg one with double that...

The W212 wears miles infinitely better than the W210/211. I put 30k on mine in 8 months with only a ball joint, tyres, brake pads and servicing. ;)

Full memory seats is something worth seeking out as they are relatively rare, but make a real difference to comfort levels...
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: STEMO on 13 September 2018, 18:04:30
Here do...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201808279892061

Good price and spec... Enough change to take the kids to Orlando for a fortnight at Christmas.  :y

yup, and way too old, and way too many miles.
I nearly posted an M reg one with double that...

The W212 wears miles infinitely better than the W210/211. I put 30k on mine in 8 months with only a ball joint, tyres, brake pads and servicing. ;)

Full memory seats is something worth seeking out as they are relatively rare, but make a real difference to comfort levels...
He...doesn't....want....an....old....Mercedes.....Benz.   Geddit?
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 13 September 2018, 18:24:00
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201808159533691
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Jimbob on 13 September 2018, 18:49:13
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201808159533691

Thats more in the ballpark.  Need a sit in one.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: tigers_gonads on 13 September 2018, 19:06:51
Oh dear  ::)

Lets look at what's needed here  ::)
Currently drives a diesel tall Astra with a bit of grunt and 2 extra seats in the boot  ;D
Currently driving around 20K a year.
Sprogs growing up a bit so no longer needs that amount of space.
Needs to service / fix it himself.

Fuel prices ain't ever going down  :(
Road tax is only ever going up for non hybrid / battery cars :(
All governments in the future are going to be running a hate campaign against every car unless it has a battery in it.
You can bet your life that insurance companies will start penalising non hybrid / battery cars in the future because they can and the governments of the future will let them  >:(


The car I mentioned is Astra sized.
Its got a half decent boot for its size.
On petrol, its pretty good.
Lots of toys.
Taxi drivers use them so they have to be reliable.
Because is got a battery, the government will leave you alone too.

Yes, you may own a car with a Toyota badge on  ::)
Clarkson may have described them as a domestic appliance  ;D
It might not have the handling finesse of a rear wheel car and they might be boring as opps but as a mode of transport, it does a great job with very little fuss.
Modern Merc's are unreliable as are BMW's.
Jags are nice to drive but were can you really REALLY DRIVE one with the road network the way it is ?

Seriously i'd buy a domestic appliance which would save me overall and not give me grief for the mundane tasks and spend a couple of grand on a 2 seater sports car which once the kids have been dumped somewhere safe you could head for the hills so to speak and enjoy driving  :y :y

All the above is IF its big enough  ;)




Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: tunnie on 13 September 2018, 21:01:35
Chap in my team has E250 CDI on a 14 or 15 plate I think, he borrowed my code reader as had fault light. Turns out Nox sensor was on the blink, Merc dealer confirmed this.

They emptied his wallet fixed it for him, at a cost of £650.

For one sensor  :o

Apparently the part alone was £400  :-\

Puts me off a CLS as replacement for the 3.2  :(
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Andy B on 13 September 2018, 22:12:49
....
Puts me off a CLS as replacement for the 3.2  :(

but you'd be buying a CLS350 ..... surely?  ::)

If only a CLS350 Shooting brake Estate was heavy enough (and a bit) to tow an 1865kg caravan I'd buy one. (pre iPad glued to the dash though  ;))
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: tunnie on 13 September 2018, 22:21:44
Yeah the 2012/13 vintage ones, interior looks really nice.

Display set in the dash, not on it.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Andy B on 13 September 2018, 22:27:19
....

Display set in the dash, not on it.

Trouble is, I think all their cars have succumbed to having an iPad stuck to the dash, even the high end GT ....  you don't need to design anything. I was in a Citroen dealers .... I was lost  ::) .... and the C4 had just two screens, one in the middle & one for the speedo in front of the driver. How little effort was required to dream that up?
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: tunnie on 13 September 2018, 22:34:03
Quite like this...

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201808069182310?atmobcid=soc3 (http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201808069182310?atmobcid=soc3)
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Kevin Wood on 14 September 2018, 09:09:43
Trouble is, I think all their cars have succumbed to having an iPad stuck to the dash, even the high end GT ....  you don't need to design anything. I was in a Citroen dealers .... I was lost  ::) .... and the C4 had just two screens, one in the middle & one for the speedo in front of the driver. How little effort was required to dream that up?

When you find something fitted to a shitroen you know it's because it's the cheapest, tackiest way of doing the job.  ;)
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Andy B on 14 September 2018, 11:53:32
Trouble is, I think all their cars have succumbed to having an iPad stuck to the dash, even the high end GT ....  you don't need to design anything. I was in a Citroen dealers .... I was lost  ::) .... and the C4 had just two screens, one in the middle & one for the speedo in front of the driver. How little effort was required to dream that up?

When you find something fitted to a shitroen you know it's because it's the cheapest, tackiest way of doing the job.  ;)

Which is a shame given Citroen' s history before PSA. The proper DS was way before it's time.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Viral_Jim on 14 September 2018, 11:59:16
People will doubtless think me mad, but I still maintain the SM is one of the coolest card money can buy.  :-*
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Andy B on 14 September 2018, 12:04:24
People will doubtless think me mad, but I still maintain the SM is one of the coolest card money can buy.  :-*

I agree .... though they had their fair share of problems even when new. Other than museums & shows I've only ever seen a handful of them.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 14 September 2018, 12:30:12
People will doubtless think me mad, but I still maintain the SM is one of the coolest card money can buy.  :-*

I concur.

Fabulous seventies style icon.Part Maserati if memory serves. :y
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Kevin Wood on 14 September 2018, 13:47:07
People will doubtless think me mad, but I still maintain the SM is one of the coolest card money can buy.  :-*

I agree .... though they had their fair share of problems even when new. Other than museums & shows I've only ever seen a handful of them.

Yep, me too, and it's the only shitroen I'd give garage space to. At least the troublesome technology in that was created trying to do something new and revolutionary, rather than in participation in a race to the bottom of cost and quality.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Viral_Jim on 14 September 2018, 15:08:54
I agree .... though they had their fair share of problems even when new. Other than museums & shows I've only ever seen a handful of them.

Yup, think I've only ever seen one on the road, and that way queuing to get into the le mans classic. So hardly a typical situation. Seems they're about £35-75k ATM.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Kevin Wood on 14 September 2018, 15:14:35
I agree .... though they had their fair share of problems even when new. Other than museums & shows I've only ever seen a handful of them.

Yup, think I've only ever seen one on the road, and that way queuing to get into the le mans classic. So hardly a typical situation. Seems they're about £35-75k ATM.

I parked next to one in a car park in Bridport a couple of months back.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Andy B on 14 September 2018, 16:23:23
People will doubtless think me mad, but I still maintain the SM is one of the coolest card money can buy.  :-*

I agree .... though they had their fair share of problems even when new. Other than museums & shows I've only ever seen a handful of them.

Yep, me too, and it's the only shitroen I'd give garage space to. At least the troublesome technology in that was created trying to do something new and revolutionary, rather than in participation in a race to the bottom of cost and quality.

Like the DS  ....  ;)
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Kevin Wood on 14 September 2018, 16:45:36
People will doubtless think me mad, but I still maintain the SM is one of the coolest card money can buy.  :-*

I agree .... though they had their fair share of problems even when new. Other than museums & shows I've only ever seen a handful of them.

Yep, me too, and it's the only shitroen I'd give garage space to. At least the troublesome technology in that was created trying to do something new and revolutionary, rather than in participation in a race to the bottom of cost and quality.

Like the DS  ....  ;)

Indeed.. Same applies to the DS.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Viral_Jim on 14 September 2018, 19:49:00
Talking of which, saw a DS safari earlier this year. Amazing thing!  8)
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: BazaJT on 14 September 2018, 20:02:56
So much potential-but usually costly to bring to market-Traction Avant,DS and even the ever so humble 2CV were all innovative for their time.Trouble was that particularly with the DS people feared what was not familiar plus of course it never got the engine it truly deserved and had to make do with a carry over of the Traction Avants motor.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 15 September 2018, 10:01:02
Here's a couple of good looking Bavarians.  :y

Linky1 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2014-BMW-520D-SE-AUTOMATIC-DIESEL-ESTATE-SAT-NAV-1-OWNER-SERVICE-HISTORY/323420115814?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908105057%26meid%3D9ddb820ac7c74debb92f6494f7b2538b%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D15%26sd%3D181524268051%26itm%3D323420115814&_trksid=p2481888.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci%3A2881f937-b8c3-11e8-ad8f-74dbd1802be5%7Cparentrq%3Adc647aba1650aca4552512dcfff73ed5%7Ciid%3A1)

Linky2 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bmw-5-Series-520D-Se-Touring-Estate-2-0-Manual-Diesel/173426837779?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908105057%26meid%3D135029f5574e49c8a6e3b5e96bfa9c03%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D15%26sd%3D323420115814%26itm%3D173426837779&_trksid=p2481888.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci%3Af7806393-b8c3-11e8-9294-74dbd18022eb%7Cparentrq%3Adc69c7481650a9c9aa9c2e36fff758c1%7Ciid%3A1)

And just in case you change your mind and decide to follow Dr G's financial advice here's an older Bavarian with Far Eastern provenance!  :)

Linky3 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BMW-525-2-5-auto-2003MY-i-Touring/153097923748?hash=item23a558eca4:g:b5YAAOSw9H5bSJuv)
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: TheBoy on 15 September 2018, 10:26:57
you don't need to design anything
MB don't design anything any more, and haven't for 20yrs.  There go through various parts catalogues, choose a load of random bits to put on a wishlist, then try to throw them into a car.

But because they do it regularly (as it makes car design cheap), you do get the latest ideas, more than enough to make your average MB purchaser happy, but ultimately still end up with a poor vehicle underneath.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: TheBoy on 15 September 2018, 10:31:29
Talking of which, saw a DS safari earlier this year. Amazing thing!  8)
Dad had one when we were little. That thing would go anywhere, and could lug a huge amount - when we came back from Cyprus, we took the long road touring Europe for a few weeks, 11 of us shared between a DS Safari and a Fiat 850 Sport Coupe.


It wasn't without its "citroen ideas" that didn't quite work out....   ….I remember a time when we'd stopped at the pub on the way to Grandmas, and upon restarting, the starter motor was toast (it was French, after all). Never mind, Citroen supplied a starting handle :y.  Only with the engine not running, the suspension was too low to turn the handle without hitting the ground ;D
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Kevin Wood on 17 September 2018, 19:11:56
Well, I saw an SM today on my commute.  8)
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Jimbob on 22 September 2018, 17:15:22
Still going roundin circles!

Trying to decide if I really need an estate, or whether Hatch / Saloon will do.  It does open up a lot more choice & value
Superb & XF are still up there, the XF in particular is a far better proposition if I don't go for an estate as their design is 2-3 years behind the saloon, and part of that makes it very hard to find the right one that would tick my boxes.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 22 September 2018, 18:23:40
Still going roundin circles!

Trying to decide if I really need an estate, or whether Hatch / Saloon will do.  It does open up a lot more choice & value
Superb & XF are still up there, the XF in particular is a far better proposition if I don't go for an estate as their design is 2-3 years behind the saloon, and part of that makes it very hard to find the right one that would tick my boxes.

Are you looking for the derv version or proper car fuel?

There are a lot of derv XF's to choose from.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Jimbob on 22 September 2018, 18:26:52
Still going roundin circles!

Trying to decide if I really need an estate, or whether Hatch / Saloon will do.  It does open up a lot more choice & value
Superb & XF are still up there, the XF in particular is a far better proposition if I don't go for an estate as their design is 2-3 years behind the saloon, and part of that makes it very hard to find the right one that would tick my boxes.

Are you looking for the derv version or proper car fuel?

There are a lot of derv XF's to choose from.

Dont really mind, as long as it can get over 40 mpg
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 22 September 2018, 18:35:14
Still going roundin circles!

Trying to decide if I really need an estate, or whether Hatch / Saloon will do.  It does open up a lot more choice & value
Superb & XF are still up there, the XF in particular is a far better proposition if I don't go for an estate as their design is 2-3 years behind the saloon, and part of that makes it very hard to find the right one that would tick my boxes.

Are you looking for the derv version or proper car fuel?

There are a lot of derv XF's to choose from.

Dont really mind, as long as it can get over 40 mpg

You could always take the petrol version and do more walking. ::)

Save the planet in the process. ;)
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: BazaJT on 22 September 2018, 18:38:08
Isn't the XF Sportbrake only available with the derv engine-and only the small one at that?
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Jimbob on 22 September 2018, 18:41:44
Isn't the XF Sportbrake only available with the derv engine-and only the small one at that?

No, plenty of options, plenty of power.  trouble is I prefer the latest facelift, which means 1 year old max in a sportbrake....far too expensive :(
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 22 September 2018, 20:37:06
Isn't the XF Sportbrake only available with the derv engine-and only the small one at that?

You can get a 550 BHP petrol XFR-S  Sportbrake (estate)
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: tunnie on 22 September 2018, 20:49:04
Isn't the XF Sportbrake only available with the derv engine-and only the small one at that?

You can get a 550 BHP petrol XFR-S  Sportbrake (estate)

Also XF-S 3.0 Diesel, full fat version in Estate trim.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 22 September 2018, 21:27:09
Isn't the XF Sportbrake only available with the derv engine-and only the small one at that?

You can get a 550 BHP petrol XFR-S  Sportbrake (estate) that does about 3 gpm!  :o  :)

Fine if your pockets are as deep as Lord Opti's!  ;D
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: TheBoy on 23 September 2018, 10:23:14
Isn't the XF Sportbrake only available with the derv engine-and only the small one at that?

You can get a 550 BHP petrol XFR-S  Sportbrake (estate)

Also XF-S 3.0 Diesel, full fat version in Estate trim.
Obviously one is quick though.  The other not so ;)

Although I think the max torque figures are not wildly different.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 23 September 2018, 10:25:25
Isn't the XF Sportbrake only available with the derv engine-and only the small one at that?

You can get a 550 BHP petrol XFR-S  Sportbrake (estate)

Also XF-S 3.0 Diesel, full fat version in Estate trim.
Obviously one is quick though.  The other not so ;)

Although I think the max torque figures are not wildly different.

One makes a noise like the end of the world the other sounds like a Leyland bus. :)
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: TheBoy on 23 September 2018, 10:27:23
Isn't the XF Sportbrake only available with the derv engine-and only the small one at that?

You can get a 550 BHP petrol XFR-S  Sportbrake (estate)

Also XF-S 3.0 Diesel, full fat version in Estate trim.
Obviously one is quick though.  The other not so ;)

Although I think the max torque figures are not wildly different.

One makes a noise like the end of the world the other sounds like a Leyland bus. :)
Though both sound better than a bunch of Lipos and a Tamiya 540...
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: STEMO on 23 September 2018, 11:13:38
Have you considered a SEAT. The exeo and Leon estates look quite smart and are cheaper than their VW equivalents.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: TheBoy on 23 September 2018, 11:16:51
Have you considered a SEAT. The exeo and Leon estates look quite smart and are cheaper than their VW equivalents.
Though sadly have the same reliability problems...   ...although laws of statistics mean the vast majority should be OK
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: tunnie on 23 September 2018, 13:30:33
I think Skoda Superb would be high up on my list as well, just £6k gets you a decent spec, sub 80k miles and DSG. Although I would have some concerns around that, changing the fluid looks a faff as well, stripping airbox and battery, battery floor etc, just to reach the filter. Filling it as well, is no picnic.

VCDS is a big plus as well, it so easily gives all data/programming/scanning needs.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: TheBoy on 23 September 2018, 13:45:05
VCDS is a big plus as well, it so easily gives all data/programming/scanning needs.
Diags would not be a deciding factor on any car I was going to buy.  TBH, you can get half decent diags equipment on virtually any brand for sub £300...  ...and for those reprogramming to accommodate new modules, that's why the dear Lord invented the £20 bung ;)

For eg, everyone here knows I have a pretty comprehensive GM diags capability. But I can't see me having another GM vehicle any time soon.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: tunnie on 23 September 2018, 14:52:16
Can sell it to me then, as I would strongly consider an Insignia for 3.2 replacement. Even with this issue, DIY servicing is straight forward.

and I can't knock their value for money....
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 23 September 2018, 14:57:30
Can sell it to me then, as I would strongly consider an Insignia for 3.2 replacement. Even with this issue, DIY servicing is straight forward.

and I can't knock their value for money....

 When you say Insignia I'm sure you refer to the 2.8V6 turbo Insignia and not some smoky diesel. :)
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: tunnie on 23 September 2018, 15:06:01
Can sell it to me then, as I would strongly consider an Insignia for 3.2 replacement. Even with this issue, DIY servicing is straight forward.

and I can't knock their value for money....

 When you say Insignia I'm sure you refer to the 2.8V6 turbo Insignia and not some smoky diesel. :)

Nope, as I refuse to pay £500 a year to tax a car.

I'd seek out the 170bhp "whisper" variant of the 2.0 diesel, in Elite trim. Probably an Estate as well.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 23 September 2018, 15:23:19
Can sell it to me then, as I would strongly consider an Insignia for 3.2 replacement. Even with this issue, DIY servicing is straight forward.

and I can't knock their value for money....

 When you say Insignia I'm sure you refer to the 2.8V6 turbo Insignia and not some smoky diesel. :)

Nope, as I refuse to pay £500 a year to tax a car.

I'd seek out the 170bhp "whisper" variant of the 2.0 diesel, in Elite trim. Probably an Estate as well.

£500 is actually £535 or £568 when paid monthly. :-\

......on the plus side the mighty Signum costs £160 PA to insure. The Tata £300.

 
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: tunnie on 23 September 2018, 20:36:29
I’ve got some way to go before a 5.0 V8 is that cheap to unsure!

Those Skoda forums are very good from what I’ve seen, lots of tech knowledge and guides.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Jimbob on 25 September 2018, 19:38:09
Drove my first DSG box in a Seat Ateca. Very impressed.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 25 September 2018, 20:10:10
Drove my first DSG box in a Seat Ateca. Very impressed.
Which was more impressive, the way it drove or the replacement cost?
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: omegod on 25 September 2018, 20:15:19
Drove my first DSG box in a Seat Ateca. Very impressed.

We run an Ateca and are very happy with it, only the 1.0 Ecomotive but it's still quite nippy and regularly gives 50 + Mpg
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Jimbob on 25 September 2018, 20:20:44
Let me worry about the cost. Or not. ;-)

Cheers for the feedback. Was more tempted by the 2 litre!
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: tunnie on 25 September 2018, 20:47:47
I’ve seen a Skoda Superb Estate on trader with 227k miles, which is DSG.

Like anything they just need proper servicing, change every 40k as suggested and sure it will fine. Been researching DIY changes myself, it’s actually a reasonable ish job now I’ve watched a few.

Not sure how much oil is, but Skoda themselves charge £180 for a fluid and filter change, which is not that bad.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: STEMO on 25 September 2018, 21:01:03
I’ve seen a Skoda Superb Estate on trader with 227k miles, which is DSG.

Like anything they just need proper servicing, change every 40k as suggested and sure it will fine. Been researching DIY changes myself, it’s actually a reasonable ish job now I’ve watched a few.

Not sure how much oil is, but Skoda themselves charge £180 for a fluid and filter change, which is not that bad.
Lots of people would baulk at £150, but lots of people expect their cars to go forever without maintenance costs. 0.375pence per mile  ;D
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: tunnie on 25 September 2018, 21:02:09
If in the market, I could be tempted by this:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201809220753225 (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201809220753225)

I had the 140 spec engine in the CC, that was quite a performer mid range. 170 would be even better, VCDS is excellent as well so no issues troubleshooting
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: STEMO on 25 September 2018, 21:07:51
If in the market, I could be tempted by this:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201809220753225 (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201809220753225)

I had the 140 spec engine in the CC, that was quite a performer mid range. 170 would be even better, VCDS is excellent as well so no issues troubleshooting
I find it hard to get enthused by a taxi.  :(
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: tunnie on 25 September 2018, 21:13:15
I’ve seen a Skoda Superb Estate on trader with 227k miles, which is DSG.

Like anything they just need proper servicing, change every 40k as suggested and sure it will fine. Been researching DIY changes myself, it’s actually a reasonable ish job now I’ve watched a few.

Not sure how much oil is, but Skoda themselves charge £180 for a fluid and filter change, which is not that bad.
Lots of people would baulk at £150, but lots of people expect their cars to go forever without maintenance costs. 0.375pence per mile  ;D

It’s actually better than I thought, by a considerable margin. Oil looks to be £50 at least, for a decent brand.

EBay kits are nearly £90

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F161524463047 (https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F161524463047)

Given you would need to buy filling kit as well, which could be used multiple times. You are paying someone £100 to do it, that’s good value for main dealer.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: STEMO on 25 September 2018, 21:15:59
I’ve seen a Skoda Superb Estate on trader with 227k miles, which is DSG.

Like anything they just need proper servicing, change every 40k as suggested and sure it will fine. Been researching DIY changes myself, it’s actually a reasonable ish job now I’ve watched a few.

Not sure how much oil is, but Skoda themselves charge £180 for a fluid and filter change, which is not that bad.
Lots of people would baulk at £150, but lots of people expect their cars to go forever without maintenance costs. 0.375pence per mile  ;D

It’s actually better than I thought, by a considerable margin. Oil looks to be £50 at least, for a decent brand.

EBay kits are nearly £90

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F161524463047 (https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F161524463047)

Given you would need to buy filling kit as well, which could be used multiple times. You are paying someone £100 to do it, that’s good value for main dealer.
You're too young to be worrying about 40,000 mile services. FFS, I usually don't keep a car for 40,000 miles.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: tunnie on 25 September 2018, 21:19:14
I’ve seen a Skoda Superb Estate on trader with 227k miles, which is DSG.

Like anything they just need proper servicing, change every 40k as suggested and sure it will fine. Been researching DIY changes myself, it’s actually a reasonable ish job now I’ve watched a few.

Not sure how much oil is, but Skoda themselves charge £180 for a fluid and filter change, which is not that bad.
Lots of people would baulk at £150, but lots of people expect their cars to go forever without maintenance costs. 0.375pence per mile  ;D

It’s actually better than I thought, by a considerable margin. Oil looks to be £50 at least, for a decent brand.

EBay kits are nearly £90

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F161524463047 (https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F161524463047)

Given you would need to buy filling kit as well, which could be used multiple times. You are paying someone £100 to do it, that’s good value for main dealer.
You're too young to be worrying about 40,000 mile services. FFS, I usually don't keep a car for 40,000 miles.

Did over 100k in the 2.2, done nearly 40k in 3.2 to date.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: STEMO on 25 September 2018, 21:20:25
I’ve seen a Skoda Superb Estate on trader with 227k miles, which is DSG.

Like anything they just need proper servicing, change every 40k as suggested and sure it will fine. Been researching DIY changes myself, it’s actually a reasonable ish job now I’ve watched a few.

Not sure how much oil is, but Skoda themselves charge £180 for a fluid and filter change, which is not that bad.
Lots of people would baulk at £150, but lots of people expect their cars to go forever without maintenance costs. 0.375pence per mile  ;D

It’s actually better than I thought, by a considerable margin. Oil looks to be £50 at least, for a decent brand.

EBay kits are nearly £90

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F161524463047 (https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F161524463047)

Given you would need to buy filling kit as well, which could be used multiple times. You are paying someone £100 to do it, that’s good value for main dealer.
You're too young to be worrying about 40,000 mile services. FFS, I usually don't keep a car for 40,000 miles.

Did over 100k in the 2.2, done nearly 40k in 3.2 to date.
Well stop it...now.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 25 September 2018, 22:44:32
Let me worry about the cost. Or not. ;-)

Cheers for the feedback. Was more tempted by the 2 litre!
I'm not worried. Probably won't be buying a car that size with a one litre lump, let alone a dsg box. Ever.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: aaronjb on 26 September 2018, 08:44:52
If in the market, I could be tempted by this:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201809220753225 (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201809220753225)

I had the 140 spec engine in the CC, that was quite a performer mid range. 170 would be even better, VCDS is excellent as well so no issues troubleshooting

Honestly, I'd go for the newer generation - everything is a great deal better and (subjective, of course) I think they look a lot better, too. Only downside being that the 190 has a tank of pee you have to fill every 7,000 miles (the 150 doesn't).
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Nick W on 26 September 2018, 09:17:53
Let me worry about the cost. Or not. ;-)

Cheers for the feedback. Was more tempted by the 2 litre!
I'm not worried. Probably won't be buying a car that size with a one litre lump, let alone a dsg box. Ever.


I've been using my mother's 1.0l Focus the last few days and that's made me realise that the mk1 that she had before wasn't as bad as I thought it was!
The interior is even uglier, using cheap feeling materials and there is a huge amount of wasted space. There is no performance, although it does seem to hold speed once it's finally got there. The complete lack of any engine braking makes me suspect that this is due to a massive flywheel, but even that can't disguise the triple's vibration. The driving position and ergonomics are dreadful, and visibility is worse. It does ride better, and the boot is actually worth opening if you need to put anything in it.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: tunnie on 26 September 2018, 09:53:33
If in the market, I could be tempted by this:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201809220753225 (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201809220753225)

I had the 140 spec engine in the CC, that was quite a performer mid range. 170 would be even better, VCDS is excellent as well so no issues troubleshooting

Honestly, I'd go for the newer generation - everything is a great deal better and (subjective, of course) I think they look a lot better, too. Only downside being that the 190 has a tank of pee you have to fill every 7,000 miles (the 150 doesn't).

What's the cost of that?

I suspect by the time the 3.2 has rusted out, the newer generation will have come down in price nicely.  :)
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Viral_Jim on 26 September 2018, 10:06:31

What's the cost of that?

I suspect by the time the 3.2 has rusted out, the newer generation will have come down in price nicely.  :)

Its a 13L tank in the superb, Adblue is about 90p/L on Amazon inc delivery (for a brand I recognise) - not sure how much from everywhere else. Skoda reckons max normal usage is 1L per 400 (ish) miles. So less than 0.25p/mile spend  :y
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: aaronjb on 26 September 2018, 10:34:23
If in the market, I could be tempted by this:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201809220753225 (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201809220753225)

I had the 140 spec engine in the CC, that was quite a performer mid range. 170 would be even better, VCDS is excellent as well so no issues troubleshooting

Honestly, I'd go for the newer generation - everything is a great deal better and (subjective, of course) I think they look a lot better, too. Only downside being that the 190 has a tank of pee you have to fill every 7,000 miles (the 150 doesn't).

What's the cost of that?

I suspect by the time the 3.2 has rusted out, the newer generation will have come down in price nicely.  :)

I think I've filled it three times in 30k, for a total cost of about £60 - and that's buying it from the garage forecourt.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 26 September 2018, 10:42:14
I'm surprised  the swivel-eyed 'dervites' amongst you have not yet realised that  buying diesel is the equivalent of buying Betamax tapes.

The world has moved on. :)
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: aaronjb on 26 September 2018, 10:45:37
The world has moved on. :)

Yes - to teeny tiny three cylinder petrol engines with turbos slapped on. How's that work for you? ;)
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 26 September 2018, 10:48:49
The world has moved on. :)

Yes - to teeny tiny three cylinder petrol engines with turbos slapped on. How's that work for you? ;)

This part I like.

The teeny tiny bits less so. :)
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Nick W on 26 September 2018, 10:52:51
The world has moved on. :)

Yes - to teeny tiny three cylinder petrol engines with turbos slapped on. How's that work for you? ;)


For me? Badly


If we'd progressed to those 25 years ago, when cars were becoming hugely bloated and heavy due to cheaply available power from modern engines, they would still be working well. But when a 1.0l Focus weighs 1400kg and makes its max torque at 5000rpm, that's an unpleasant combination.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 26 September 2018, 10:58:08
The world has moved on. :)

Yes - to teeny tiny three cylinder petrol engines with turbos slapped on. How's that work for you? ;)


For me? Badly


If we'd progressed to those 25 years ago, when cars were becoming hugely bloated and heavy due to cheaply available power from modern engines, they would still be working well. But when a 1.0l Focus weighs 1400kg and makes its max torque at 5000rpm, that's an unpleasant combination.

Yes.....

An average 1.0/1.1/1.3 from the sixties or seventies would tip the scales at about 750KG.......or 15 CWT in old money.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 26 September 2018, 11:42:40
AdBlue is £8.60 for 10 litres trade from Halfords.

The XF seems to run forever on ten litres, the F-Pace gets through 10 litres in about 7000 miles.

There is a VAG build period where they guzzle it as one of the quick fix SW updates for the NOx scandal was to shovel more AdBlue through
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: TD on 26 September 2018, 13:10:48
If in the market, I could be tempted by this:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201809220753225 (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201809220753225)

I had the 140 spec engine in the CC, that was quite a performer mid range. 170 would be even better, VCDS is excellent as well so no issues troubleshooting

Honestly, I'd go for the newer generation - everything is a great deal better and (subjective, of course) I think they look a lot better, too. Only downside being that the 190 has a tank of pee you have to fill every 7,000 miles (the 150 doesn't).

What's the cost of that?

I suspect by the time the 3.2 has rusted out, the newer generation will have come down in price nicely.  :)

I think I've filled it three times in 30k, for a total cost of about £60 - and that's buying it from the garage forecourt.

I noticed the other day when I was in Hellfrauds (buying sidelight bulbs) Adblue was £11 for 10L  :y
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: aaronjb on 26 September 2018, 13:24:21
I seem to fail to plan that far ahead ;D IIRC It's closer to £20 for 10L from the Morrisons petrol station.. still, it doesn't really factor into the running costs when you compare it to the devil fuel itself!
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 26 September 2018, 13:24:43
Just piss in the tank. Same effect for free.  :D
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 26 September 2018, 13:33:32
So let me see.

Derv is more expensive than proper fuel

Plus the cost of the AdBlue

Figure into the equation that diesel is deader than tank tops and your car will be harder to sell and worth less money.

Figure info the equation that your car will sound 'agricultural' and have all the emotional appeal of 'white goods'

So the appeal of diesel is what, exactly? :)




Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: tunnie on 26 September 2018, 15:16:56
So let me see.

Derv is more expensive than proper fuel

Plus the cost of the AdBlue

Figure into the equation that diesel is deader than tank tops and your car will be harder to sell and worth less money.

Figure info the equation that your car will sound 'agricultural' and have all the emotional appeal of 'white goods'

So the appeal of diesel is what, exactly? :)

It ain't that dead....

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/sales-used-diesels-rise-despite-overall-decline-second-hand-car-market (https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/sales-used-diesels-rise-despite-overall-decline-second-hand-car-market)
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 26 September 2018, 15:53:00
So let me see.

Derv is more expensive than proper fuel

Plus the cost of the AdBlue

Figure into the equation that diesel is deader than tank tops and your car will be harder to sell and worth less money.

Figure info the equation that your car will sound 'agricultural' and have all the emotional appeal of 'white goods'

So the appeal of diesel is what, exactly? :)

It ain't that dead....

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/sales-used-diesels-rise-despite-overall-decline-second-hand-car-market (https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/sales-used-diesels-rise-despite-overall-decline-second-hand-car-market)

 Some people are taking advantage of cheaper used diesels because owners are willing to take less in order to be get shot of them. :)

Not rocket science.

 Few people are  willing to buy new diesel cars. :)
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Kevin Wood on 26 September 2018, 15:55:11
Just piss in the tank. Same effect for free.  :D
Yeah - I've always thought that selling AdBlue was the ultimate example of "taking the Piss". ;D

What's the worst that could happen? - it's only a tractor. :D
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: STEMO on 26 September 2018, 16:04:14
So let me see.

Derv is more expensive than proper fuel

Plus the cost of the AdBlue

Figure into the equation that diesel is deader than tank tops and your car will be harder to sell and worth less money.

Figure info the equation that your car will sound 'agricultural' and have all the emotional appeal of 'white goods'

So the appeal of diesel is what, exactly? :)

It ain't that dead....

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/sales-used-diesels-rise-despite-overall-decline-second-hand-car-market (https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/sales-used-diesels-rise-despite-overall-decline-second-hand-car-market)

 Some people are taking advantage of cheaper used diesels because owners are willing to take less in order to be get shot of them. :)

Not rocket science.

 Few people are  willing to buy new diesel cars. :)
I'll buy used ones until there's none left. They don't suit everybody but are ideal for my purposes.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: STEMO on 26 September 2018, 16:09:52
I'm not up to doing the maths exactly, I'm not too well today (Ahhhhhhh), but I do around 17000 miles a year. If I get around 30mpg from a petrol and 45mpg from a diesel, that's a few shillings saved, even taking into account the 3-5p difference in price per litre (or 14 to 22p a gallon).
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 26 September 2018, 16:10:21
So let me see.

Derv is more expensive than proper fuel

Plus the cost of the AdBlue

Figure into the equation that diesel is deader than tank tops and your car will be harder to sell and worth less money.

Figure info the equation that your car will sound 'agricultural' and have all the emotional appeal of 'white goods'

So the appeal of diesel is what, exactly? :)

It ain't that dead....

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/sales-used-diesels-rise-despite-overall-decline-second-hand-car-market (https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/sales-used-diesels-rise-despite-overall-decline-second-hand-car-market)

 Some people are taking advantage of cheaper used diesels because owners are willing to take less in order to be get shot of them. :)

Not rocket science.

 Few people are  willing to buy new diesel cars. :)
I'll buy used ones until there's none left. They don't suit everybody but are ideal for my purposes.


.......and then buy a new derv? ::)
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 26 September 2018, 16:12:13
I'm not up to doing the maths exactly, I'm not too well today (Ahhhhhhh), but I do around 17000 miles a year. If I get around 30mpg from a petrol and 45mpg from a diesel, that's a few shillings saved, even taking into account the 3-5p difference in price per litre (or 14 to 22p a gallon).

I give you my word as a gentleman that I'm genuinely sorry to hear this. ::) 8)
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: STEMO on 26 September 2018, 16:13:47
I'm not up to doing the maths exactly, I'm not too well today (Ahhhhhhh), but I do around 17000 miles a year. If I get around 30mpg from a petrol and 45mpg from a diesel, that's a few shillings saved, even taking into account the 3-5p difference in price per litre (or 14 to 22p a gallon).
Back of a fag packet calculation tells me it's over 200 gallons cheaper with a diesel, that's over £1000.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: STEMO on 26 September 2018, 16:14:46
So let me see.

Derv is more expensive than proper fuel

Plus the cost of the AdBlue

Figure into the equation that diesel is deader than tank tops and your car will be harder to sell and worth less money.

Figure info the equation that your car will sound 'agricultural' and have all the emotional appeal of 'white goods'

So the appeal of diesel is what, exactly? :)

It ain't that dead....

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/sales-used-diesels-rise-despite-overall-decline-second-hand-car-market (https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/sales-used-diesels-rise-despite-overall-decline-second-hand-car-market)

 Some people are taking advantage of cheaper used diesels because owners are willing to take less in order to be get shot of them. :)

Not rocket science.

 Few people are  willing to buy new diesel cars. :)
I'll buy used ones until there's none left. They don't suit everybody but are ideal for my purposes.


.......and then buy a new derv? ::)
No, I don't buy new cars.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 26 September 2018, 16:17:06
I'm not up to doing the maths exactly, I'm not too well today (Ahhhhhhh), but I do around 17000 miles a year. If I get around 30mpg from a petrol and 45mpg from a diesel, that's a few shillings saved, even taking into account the 3-5p difference in price per litre (or 14 to 22p a gallon).
Back of a fag packet calculation tells me it's over 200 gallons cheaper with a diesel, that's over £1000.

My guess is the more 'bad press' derv gets the extra depreciation of an oil burner will be far more than £1000.



 
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: STEMO on 26 September 2018, 16:17:55
Also, the combined RFL for me and the wife is £160. Yours is over £1000. Not that I'm remotely comparing our cars to yours.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: STEMO on 26 September 2018, 16:19:27
I'm not up to doing the maths exactly, I'm not too well today (Ahhhhhhh), but I do around 17000 miles a year. If I get around 30mpg from a petrol and 45mpg from a diesel, that's a few shillings saved, even taking into account the 3-5p difference in price per litre (or 14 to 22p a gallon).
Back of a fag packet calculation tells me it's over 200 gallons cheaper with a diesel, that's over £1000.

My guess is the more 'bad press' derv gets the extra depreciation of an oil burner will be far more than £1000.
The 'extra depreciation' is already done when I buy them.  :)
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: RossPhim on 26 September 2018, 16:19:42

Figure into the equation that diesel is deader than tank tops and your car will be harder to sell and worth less money.


 Some people are taking advantage of cheaper used diesels because owners are willing to take less in order to be get shot of them. :)

Not rocket science.

 Few people are  willing to buy new diesel cars. :)
I'll buy used ones until there's none left. They don't suit everybody but are ideal for my purposes.


.......and then buy a new derv? ::)
No, I don't buy new cars.

I'm done for then, as I drive a derv, and guess what kind of sweater I pulled out of the drawers this morning??
 ::) :-[ ::) :-[ :-X :-X
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: STEMO on 26 September 2018, 16:21:12

Figure into the equation that diesel is deader than tank tops and your car will be harder to sell and worth less money.


 Some people are taking advantage of cheaper used diesels because owners are willing to take less in order to be get shot of them. :)

Not rocket science.

 Few people are  willing to buy new diesel cars. :)
I'll buy used ones until there's none left. They don't suit everybody but are ideal for my purposes.


.......and then buy a new derv? ::)
No, I don't buy new cars.

I'm done for then, as I drive a derv, and guess what kind of sweater I pulled out of the drawers this morning??
 ::) :-[ ::) :-[ :-X :-X
Sweater? It's 21° here.  ;D
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 26 September 2018, 16:22:10
Of course, the last thing I want to do is give the impression I'm anti-diesel. :) ::) ::)

If I could pick up the latest BMW/Jaguar/ Mercedes/Audi derv for a few hundred quid  I'd be willing to overlook the fact that it's killing all the baby polar bears. :)

 
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: STEMO on 26 September 2018, 16:23:13
Of course, the last thing I want to do is give the impression I'm anti-diesel. :) ::) ::)

If I could pick up the latest BMW/Jaguar/ Mercedes/Audi derv for a few hundred quid  I'd be willing to overlook the fact that it's killing all the baby polar bears. :)
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=143562.0
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 26 September 2018, 16:25:40
So let me see.

Derv is more expensive than proper fuel

Plus the cost of the AdBlue

Figure into the equation that diesel is deader than tank tops and your car will be harder to sell and worth less money.

Figure info the equation that your car will sound 'agricultural' and have all the emotional appeal of 'white goods'

So the appeal of diesel is what, exactly? :)

It ain't that dead....

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/sales-used-diesels-rise-despite-overall-decline-second-hand-car-market (https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/sales-used-diesels-rise-despite-overall-decline-second-hand-car-market)
Second hand and New markets are very,  very different. New, modest diesels are fast becoming 1.0 petrol.

All that trouble people were having trying to find second hand petrol cars? Well give it a couple of years and there will be absolutely no choice of diesels.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Viral_Jim on 26 September 2018, 16:27:55
Be interesting to see what happens at the exec saloon end of the market. Small bore petrol isn't a substitute for a big diesel V.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 26 September 2018, 16:28:00
Of course, the last thing I want to do is give the impression I'm anti-diesel. :) ::) ::)

If I could pick up the latest BMW/Jaguar/ Mercedes/Audi derv for a few hundred quid  I'd be willing to overlook the fact that it's killing all the baby polar bears. :)
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=143562.0

To quote the POTUS, it's fake news...........and even if true, it will take decades to be implemented. Diesel will be six feet under by then along with probably both of us.  :)
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 26 September 2018, 16:32:22
Be interesting to see what happens at the exec saloon end of the market. Small bore petrol isn't a substitute for a big diesel V.
1.6 fours with active cylinder management/turbos and superchargers... Oh and a couple of 540s ::)
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: STEMO on 26 September 2018, 16:34:43
Of course, the last thing I want to do is give the impression I'm anti-diesel. :) ::) ::)

If I could pick up the latest BMW/Jaguar/ Mercedes/Audi derv for a few hundred quid  I'd be willing to overlook the fact that it's killing all the baby polar bears. :)
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=143562.0

To quote the POTUS, it's fake news...........and even if true, it will take decades to be implemented. Diesel will be six feet under by then along with probably both of us.  :)
It's finally happened. You admit that you will call anything you don't agree with fake news, just like Donald.  No point discussing stuff with you, then...........Don.  :)
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: STEMO on 26 September 2018, 16:38:22
So let me see.

Derv is more expensive than proper fuel

Plus the cost of the AdBlue

Figure into the equation that diesel is deader than tank tops and your car will be harder to sell and worth less money.

Figure info the equation that your car will sound 'agricultural' and have all the emotional appeal of 'white goods'

So the appeal of diesel is what, exactly? :)

It ain't that dead....

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/sales-used-diesels-rise-despite-overall-decline-second-hand-car-market (https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/sales-used-diesels-rise-despite-overall-decline-second-hand-car-market)
Second hand and New markets are very,  very different. New, modest diesels are fast becoming 1.0 petrol.

All that trouble people were having trying to find second hand petrol cars? Well give it a couple of years and there will be absolutely no choice of diesels.
Within 40 miles of me there are over 300 new diesels with engines at 2.0 or bigger.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 26 September 2018, 16:50:58
How many are SUVs  ::)
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Kevin Wood on 26 September 2018, 16:56:54
How many are SUVs  ::)

Indeed. If you're going to drive something as agricultural as that, you might as well go the whole hog and run it on crude oil. ;D
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: STEMO on 26 September 2018, 17:07:22
How many are SUVs  ::)
Good question, Al. I never checked.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 26 September 2018, 17:29:52
To answer my own question...

Of 1,957 brand new, 2.0+ diesels nationally on Autotrader:

577 are SUVs.
3 are less than £20k
52 are between £20 and 25k
300 are between £25 and 30k

Effectively zero choice in a market of 6,225.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: STEMO on 26 September 2018, 18:02:33
To answer my own question...

Of 1,957 brand new, 2.0+ diesels nationally on Autotrader:

577 are SUVs.
3 are less than £20k
52 are between £20 and 25k
300 are between £25 and 30k

Effectively zero choice in a market of 6,225.
They are still making diesel astra estates, 1.6, 135bhp, 0-60 in around 9 seconds, 50ish mpg. When mine has had it, probably in about three or four years, that is my next car sorted.  :)
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 26 September 2018, 18:26:23
To answer my own question...

Of 1,957 brand new, 2.0+ diesels nationally on Autotrader:

577 are SUVs.
3 are less than £20k
52 are between £20 and 25k
300 are between £25 and 30k

Effectively zero choice in a market of 6,225.
They are still making diesel astra estates, 1.6, 135bhp, 0-60 in around 9 seconds, 50ish mpg. When mine has had it, probably in about three or four years, that is my next car sorted.  :)

This sounds most exciting. I'll bet you hardly sleep at night with mounting anticipation. :) ;)
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: STEMO on 26 September 2018, 18:48:33
To answer my own question...

Of 1,957 brand new, 2.0+ diesels nationally on Autotrader:

577 are SUVs.
3 are less than £20k
52 are between £20 and 25k
300 are between £25 and 30k

Effectively zero choice in a market of 6,225.
They are still making diesel astra estates, 1.6, 135bhp, 0-60 in around 9 seconds, 50ish mpg. When mine has had it, probably in about three or four years, that is my next car sorted.  :)

This sounds most exciting. I'll bet you hardly sleep at night with mounting anticipation. :) ;)
I have more important things to keep me occupied in life, Don.  ;D
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 26 September 2018, 19:36:44
To answer my own question...

Of 1,957 brand new, 2.0+ diesels nationally on Autotrader:

577 are SUVs.
3 are less than £20k
52 are between £20 and 25k
300 are between £25 and 30k

Effectively zero choice in a market of 6,225.
They are still making diesel astra estates, 1.6, 135bhp, 0-60 in around 9 seconds, 50ish mpg. When mine has had it, probably in about three or four years, that is my next car sorted.  :)

This sounds most exciting. I'll bet you hardly sleep at night with mounting anticipation. :) ;)
I have more important things to keep me occupied in life, Don.  ;D

 I agree. The nocturnal deposits from the arse end of your mutt for one. :y
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 26 September 2018, 20:24:53
Isn't it amazing how you can go away for a few hours, come back and find a thread has developed a life of it's own!  ::)

How's the car search going Jimbob?  ;D
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: tunnie on 26 September 2018, 20:35:09
Isn't it amazing how you can go away for a few hours, come back and find a thread has developed a life of it's own!  ::)

How's the car search going Jimbob?  ;D

I hear he is getting a diesel  :D
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: BazaJT on 26 September 2018, 20:46:52
Yes so far he's trying to source a VW Astra XF Superb diesel that runs on petrol and has a DSG gearbox[or not] :D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 26 September 2018, 20:49:40
Yes so far he's trying to source a VW Astra XF Superb diesel that runs on petrol and has a DSG gearbox[or not] :D ;D ;D
And all for £15k.Or less. Or more... ;D
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: BazaJT on 26 September 2018, 20:57:35
There we are then that's that one solved next question please ;D ;D
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 27 September 2018, 07:59:42
I'm not up to doing the maths exactly, I'm not too well today (Ahhhhhhh), but I do around 17000 miles a year. If I get around 30mpg from a petrol and 45mpg from a diesel, that's a few shillings saved, even taking into account the 3-5p difference in price per litre (or 14 to 22p a gallon).

Trying doing 40k+!

Diesel is the only option (particularly with big exec lumps)  :( :( :(
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Kevin Wood on 27 September 2018, 12:14:28
To answer my own question...

Of 1,957 brand new, 2.0+ diesels nationally on Autotrader:

577 are SUVs.
3 are less than £20k
52 are between £20 and 25k
300 are between £25 and 30k

Effectively zero choice in a market of 6,225.
They are still making diesel astra estates, 1.6, 135bhp, 0-60 in around 9 seconds, 50ish mpg. When mine has had it, probably in about three or four years, that is my next car sorted.  :)

This sounds most exciting. I'll bet you hardly sleep at night with mounting anticipation. :) ;)

I think he's only planning on driving it at this stage.  ::)
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Jimbob on 28 September 2018, 15:49:46
Had a look at this today...Very nice if a little over budget

https://www.inchcape.co.uk/cars/used-cars/used-car-listing/mercedes-benz-e-class-amg-night-edition-AD15FTO/?InchcapeId=3305142

Nice offer that if bought on finance (needs 12k initially, then at least 4k for 10 months) you get a 3 year warranty
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: YZ250 on 28 September 2018, 16:24:24
Had a look at this today...Very nice if a little over budget

https://www.inchcape.co.uk/cars/used-cars/used-car-listing/mercedes-benz-e-class-amg-night-edition-AD15FTO/?InchcapeId=3305142

Nice offer that if bought on finance (needs 12k initially, then at least 4k for 10 months) you get a 3 year warranty

Very nice. My neighbour has one the same as that on a 65 plate. He's had it from new and he's never mentioned having any grief with it. I've been looking myself recently and narrowed it down to a late Skoda Superb or a Transit Custom double cab.  :)
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: STEMO on 28 September 2018, 16:54:55
Had a look at this today...Very nice if a little over budget

https://www.inchcape.co.uk/cars/used-cars/used-car-listing/mercedes-benz-e-class-amg-night-edition-AD15FTO/?InchcapeId=3305142

Nice offer that if bought on finance (needs 12k initially, then at least 4k for 10 months) you get a 3 year warranty
Hard to believe that even a car like that doesn't come with a spare wheel. Lovely motor though.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 28 September 2018, 17:24:03
The colour and wheels make it look 'well hard' :)

......no need to mention the wheezy 4 pot derv lump. :y
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: tunnie on 28 September 2018, 17:40:26
Father in law has 14 plate in same shape from new, appears trouble free
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 28 September 2018, 18:25:23
That looks nice for something screwed together with whatever came to hand in the parts bin!  :y  ;D
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: STEMO on 28 September 2018, 19:32:07
That looks nice for something screwed together with whatever came to hand in the parts bin!  :y  ;D
It certainly does Jaime Tigger.  :y
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 28 September 2018, 20:07:34
That looks nice for something screwed together with whatever came to hand in the parts bin!  :y  ;D
It certainly does Jaime Tigger.  :y

It's the brand that people buy into.

I bought six pairs of 'Slazenger' socks. Once a well known brand. They cost £3.

Probably manufactured by 6 year old Indian boys and girls.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: STEMO on 28 September 2018, 21:45:38
That looks nice for something screwed together with whatever came to hand in the parts bin!  :y  ;D
It certainly does Jaime Tigger.  :y

It's the brand that people buy into.

I bought six pairs of 'Slazenger' socks. Once a well known brand. They cost £3.

Probably manufactured by 6 year old Indian boys and girls.
One of the brands now owned by sports direct, along with Everlast, Donnay, Firetrap, Dunlop Sports, Karrimor, etc.............
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 29 September 2018, 10:18:32
That looks nice for something screwed together with whatever came to hand in the parts bin!  :y  ;D
It certainly does Jaime Tigger.  :y

It's the brand that people buy into.

I bought six pairs of 'Slazenger' socks. Once a well known brand. They cost £3.

Probably manufactured by 6 year old Indian boys and girls.
One of the brands now owned by sports direct, along with Everlast, Donnay, Firetrap, Dunlop Sports, Karrimor, etc.............
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Yep.....I remember when to own a 'Bush' was seen as a status symbol. :)
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 29 September 2018, 10:20:09
Anyway back to dear old Jimbob's car search. :)
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Lazydocker on 30 September 2018, 00:59:45
That looks nice for something screwed together with whatever came to hand in the parts bin!  :y  ;D
It certainly does Jaime Tigger.  :y

It's the brand that people buy into.

I bought six pairs of 'Slazenger' socks. Once a well known brand. They cost £3.

Probably manufactured by 6 year old Indian boys and girls.

Much like your Tata :-X ::) :D
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: TheBoy on 30 September 2018, 02:55:04
That looks nice for something screwed together with whatever came to hand in the parts bin!  :y  ;D
It certainly does Jaime Tigger.  :y

It's the brand that people buy into.

I bought six pairs of 'Slazenger' socks. Once a well known brand. They cost £3.

Probably manufactured by 6 year old Indian boys and girls.

Much like your Tata :-X ::) :D
My Tata was made in Castle Brom….


...so you're probably right :P
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Jimbob on 09 October 2018, 15:37:51
Done the deed today and a replacement comes next week  :D
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 09 October 2018, 15:44:33
Done the deed today and a replacement comes next week  :D

Do tell. :y
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Jimbob on 09 October 2018, 15:54:01
E250 Amg sport estate in silver
Sat in and drove a few. Settled on this one. Pick it up next week
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 09 October 2018, 15:55:49
Good choice :y

Service plan worth looking into ;)
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 09 October 2018, 16:12:44
Excellent, keep an eye in the license with that one (and your local Talivans)  :y

Did you keep the CD70 and CID?
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Jimbob on 09 October 2018, 16:21:43
Yes. Satnav going nowhere....technically it’s still yours!  Let me know what you want me to do with it.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: 2boxerdogs on 09 October 2018, 16:37:49
Excellent choice.😎
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: tunnie on 09 October 2018, 16:53:35
Nice, interesting to see how you get on.  :y
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 09 October 2018, 16:55:07
Excellent choice.😎
Yes. What does the 250 part stand for, 2.5 litre or 250 BHP? :y
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: tunnie on 09 October 2018, 17:03:03
Excellent choice.😎
Yes. What does the 250 part stand for, 2.5 litre or 250 BHP? :y

2.1 litre in those, suspect near 200 ponies.  :-\
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Jimbob on 09 October 2018, 17:16:50
Yep. 2.1. 201 bhp.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 09 October 2018, 17:20:10
Yep. 2.1. 201 bhp.

Right......so 250 stands for?
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Jimbob on 09 October 2018, 17:22:19
No idea. Think it’s historic from when the 220 was a 2.2 the 250 a 2.5 and 300 a 3.0

Could just be marketing. Neither know nor care. It’s a name.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 09 October 2018, 17:27:54
No idea. Think it’s historic from when the 220 was a 2.2 the 250 a 2.5 and 300 a 3.0

Could just be marketing. Neither know nor care. It’s a name.

The old E63 was 6.3 litres........which was reduced to 5.5 litres, but now an E63 is just 4 litres.

It used to be so simple. ::)

Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: tunnie on 09 October 2018, 17:53:57
Yep. 2.1. 201 bhp.

What age? Will you look into DIY service?

Tempted by CLS 250 in near future.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Andy B on 09 October 2018, 18:34:06
Yep. 2.1. 201 bhp.

Right......so 250 stands for?

Merc makes it up as they go along. R320 & R350 are both 3.0 litre .....
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Andy B on 09 October 2018, 18:35:44
Yep. 2.1. 201 bhp.

What age? Will you look into DIY service?

Tempted by CLS 250 in near future.

Do you both realise there's a CLS350 .....  ::) ::) ie more cylinders than doors  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 09 October 2018, 18:44:51
Yep. 2.1. 201 bhp.

What age? Will you look into DIY service?

Tempted by CLS 250 in near future.

Do you both realise there's a CLS350 .....  ::) ::) ie more cylinders than doors ;D ;D

Mr Tunnie is well known on this forum for his frugality.........almost of Scottish proportion. ::)

My CLS500 had twice as many cylinders as doors. :)
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 09 October 2018, 18:53:27
E250 Amg sport estate in silver
Sat in and drove a few. Settled on this one. Pick it up next week

Sounds great Jimbob!  :y

What year? Spankers or 'Pre-owned'?  ???
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Andy B on 09 October 2018, 19:00:27
.....

My CLS500 had twice as many cylinders as doors. :)

I did have to think long & hard about not buying a R500 ...  ;D
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 09 October 2018, 19:17:41
I still hanker after a CL500 or even a CL55 AMG.  8)
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 09 October 2018, 19:22:18
I still hanker after a CL500 or even a CL55 AMG.  8)

Can be had quite cheaply. You could always use the 'chicken chaser' as a P/X. :)
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 09 October 2018, 19:31:58
Yep, can pick up a reasonable one for under three grand now. Would have cost 75 + when new. Deffo my next car once I tire of the current Omega.  :)
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 09 October 2018, 19:50:17
Yep, can pick up a reasonable one for under three grand now. Would have cost 75 + when new. Deffo my next car once I tire of the current Omega.  :)


Insurance shouldn't be an issue at your age unless you live in a postcode that is always on fire. The Tata only costs £300 to insure.

Of course, if it does go wrong, it won't be cheap to fix. :)

.....but then it's Germanic so will last forever without ever going wrong. ::) ::) ::) ;)
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Jimbob on 09 October 2018, 19:51:41
Ive gone for a 2013 model with 51000 on the clock.

Hard to get the right balance of Power, Condition, Age, Mileage and economy
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 09 October 2018, 19:55:08
About same age/mileage as mine...

Did 35k effortlessly in about 7 months with only discs/pads, a lower ball joint and routine servicing  :y
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Entwood on 09 October 2018, 23:16:20
Whats the kerb weight of the new one ?? and diseasal or real fuel ??  :)
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: tunnie on 09 October 2018, 23:39:03
Whats the kerb weight of the new one ?? and diseasal or real fuel ??  :)

E250 is diesel. Practically every single one is diesel bar hybrid or insane AMG full fat ones.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Andy B on 10 October 2018, 00:33:46
Whats the kerb weight of the new one ?? and diseasal or real fuel ??  :)

E250 is diesel. Practically every single one is diesel bar hybrid or insane AMG full fat ones.

I looked briefly at a CLS350 Shooting Brake estate and it's weight plate was .....
2435 max kerb
4620 gross train
1165 max front axle
1320 max rear axle
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: TheBoy on 10 October 2018, 15:15:03
Excellent choice.😎
Yes. What does the 250 part stand for, 2.5 litre or 250 BHP? :y
I think it means it produces similar power to their old, knackered 2.5.

Bro's new S Class is a 350, but is only a 3l, and makes a miserable 260ish...
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Andy B on 10 October 2018, 22:16:17
Excellent choice.😎
Yes. What does the 250 part stand for, 2.5 litre or 250 BHP? :y
I think it means it produces similar power to their old, knackered 2.5.

Bro's new S Class is a 350, but is only a 3l, and makes a miserable 260ish...

my R320 is just 224bhp  ;)
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: STEMO on 10 October 2018, 22:21:10
Excellent choice.😎
Yes. What does the 250 part stand for, 2.5 litre or 250 BHP? :y
I think it means it produces similar power to their old, knackered 2.5.

Bro's new S Class is a 350, but is only a 3l, and makes a miserable 260ish...

my R320 is just 224bhp  ;)
That's no good, Andy. On our free flowing, uncluttered, roadwork free highways you need at least 300bhp to make good progress.  ::)
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Andy B on 10 October 2018, 22:24:39
Excellent choice.😎
Yes. What does the 250 part stand for, 2.5 litre or 250 BHP? :y
I think it means it produces similar power to their old, knackered 2.5.

Bro's new S Class is a 350, but is only a 3l, and makes a miserable 260ish...

my R320 is just 224bhp  ;)
That's no good, Andy. On our free flowing, uncluttered, roadwork free highways you need at least 300bhp to make good progress.  ::)
;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 11 October 2018, 00:00:40
Excellent choice.😎
Yes. What does the 250 part stand for, 2.5 litre or 250 BHP? :y
I think it means it produces similar power to their old, knackered 2.5.

Bro's new S Class is a 350, but is only a 3l, and makes a miserable 260ish...

my R320 is just 224bhp  ;)
That's no good, Andy. On our free flowing, uncluttered, roadwork free highways you need at least 300bhp to make good progress.  ::)
Never a truer word in jest...

You need the oomph to be able to safely pass in the smaller opportunities now available  :-\
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: STEMO on 11 October 2018, 07:12:41
Excellent choice.😎
Yes. What does the 250 part stand for, 2.5 litre or 250 BHP? :y
I think it means it produces similar power to their old, knackered 2.5.

Bro's new S Class is a 350, but is only a 3l, and makes a miserable 260ish...

my R320 is just 224bhp  ;)
That's no good, Andy. On our free flowing, uncluttered, roadwork free highways you need at least 300bhp to make good progress.  ::)
Never a truer word in jest...

You need the oomph to be able to safely pass in the smaller opportunities now available  :-\
As Nick said in another thread...no, you don't. You just need to be able to drive properly.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Nick W on 11 October 2018, 07:27:19
That's no good, Andy. On our free flowing, uncluttered, roadwork free highways you need at least 300bhp to make good progress.  ::)
Never a truer word in jest...

You need the oomph to be able to safely pass in the smaller opportunities now available  :-\


What you actually need for that is a small car.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Andy B on 11 October 2018, 07:46:55
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What you actually need for that is a small car.

That depends on who/what you want to carry in it. My Smart is no good for carrying SWMBO & my grand daughter & the dog & stuff to go to the beach with  ;D
My Smart & R Class both have a similar power to weight ratio ..... 84bhp and 850kg compared with 224bhp & 2200kg  :y :y
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 11 October 2018, 08:25:59
Relatively speaking, the R class is underpowered as it weighs almost three times as much... Although the real number you need to look at is torque ;)

To drive, the Smart probably feels nippier, but in a drag race, the R Class will wipe the floor with it...
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Andy B on 11 October 2018, 08:32:32
Relatively speaking, the R class is underpowered as it weighs almost three times as much... Although the real number you need to look at is torque ;)

To drive, the Smart probably feels nippier, but in a drag race, the R Class will wipe the floor with it...

Agreed. And the R Class has twice the transmission gear. The Smart is pretty good off the line but runs out of steam fairly early. And at motorway speeds you really do want to be in the R Class rather than the Smart (in all honesty, I'd prefer the Omega at anything much over motorways speeds as you do notice that the R Class is top heavy when 'pressing on')

And the Roadster will wipe the floor with most things on a twisty A/B road as it just goes round corners like on rails  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: STEMO on 11 October 2018, 11:05:40
My 163bhp astra diesel has plenty of low down grunt and will accelerate from 60 to 80/90 very quickly, so motorways are not a problem. On the other roads I drive on, I very seldom get the chance to overtake but, when I do, it's adequate.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Jimbob on 11 October 2018, 12:06:06
The old Zafira, one of the more powerful at 150bhp was ok for me in all honesty, I do mostly A road driving, and quite twisty ones at that, so being being able to quickly and safely get past trucks and tractors in small opportunities is a must.  I didn't want stupid speeds in my next one, but ideally a little quicker.  That said, I do seem to have bought one which is more of an improvement than I needed too :D. 
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 11 October 2018, 12:23:19
The old Zafira, one of the more powerful at 150bhp was ok for me in all honesty, I do mostly A road driving, and quite twisty ones at that, so being being able to quickly and safely get past trucks and tractors in small opportunities is a must.  I didn't want stupid speeds in my next one, but ideally a little quicker. That said, I do seem to have bought one which is more of an improvement than I needed too :D.

Wanting more than we actually need is part of human nature.......
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: tunnie on 11 October 2018, 14:03:22
The old Zafira, one of the more powerful at 150bhp was ok for me in all honesty, I do mostly A road driving, and quite twisty ones at that, so being being able to quickly and safely get past trucks and tractors in small opportunities is a must.  I didn't want stupid speeds in my next one, but ideally a little quicker.  That said, I do seem to have bought one which is more of an improvement than I needed too :D.

I'd be interested to hear how you compare the 3.2 and E250 performance, both give around 200bhp, but the Merc will have more torque.

I like the effortless performance of my 3.2, be good to to see if the E250 is similar.

Given like STEMO and yourself I'm happy with the 163bhp Tourer's performance.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 11 October 2018, 14:14:27
The E220 went well enough for its size... Mine was one of the last with the 5 speed auto, so wasn't quite as economical as the facelift cars.

Relatively speaking, the R class is underpowered as it weighs almost three times as much... Although the real number you need to look at is torque ;)

To drive, the Smart probably feels nippier, but in a drag race, the R Class will wipe the floor with it...

Agreed. And the R Class has twice the transmission gear. The Smart is pretty good off the line but runs out of steam fairly early. And at motorway speeds you really do want to be in the R Class rather than the Smart (in all honesty, I'd prefer the Omega at anything much over motorways speeds as you do notice that the R Class is top heavy when 'pressing on')

And the Roadster will wipe the floor with most things on a twisty A/B road as it just goes round corners like on rails  ;D ;D
The Trolley goes well enough but gets quite thrashy over 80 or so... but handles better than the looks might suggest.

Be interesting to see how its stablemate goes and handles ;)
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: TheBoy on 11 October 2018, 21:00:11
The old Zafira, one of the more powerful at 150bhp was ok for me in all honesty
My Battlebus was 100bhp when it left the factory.  No idea what it is now, I'd guess 7-80bhp.  It definitely isn't powerful enough, even for tunnie/nick w
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: tunnie on 11 October 2018, 22:08:58
The old Zafira, one of the more powerful at 150bhp was ok for me in all honesty
My Battlebus was 100bhp when it left the factory.  No idea what it is now, I'd guess 7-80bhp.  It definitely isn't powerful enough, even for tunnie/nick w

Why on earth do you still have it then?  :-\
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: VXL V6 on 11 October 2018, 22:19:02
The old Zafira, one of the more powerful at 150bhp was ok for me in all honesty
My Battlebus was 100bhp when it left the factory.  No idea what it is now, I'd guess 7-80bhp.  It definitely isn't powerful enough, even for tunnie/nick w

Why on earth do you still have it then?  :-\

Have you ever seen those car customizing programmes on TV.... where the donor car has it's original engine and gearbox destroyed by full throttle antics in the car park before it's wheeled in to the workshop and crafted into something new with lots of chrome and a big V8?... Well it's similar to Brackley when TB can finally find where he left the battlebus.
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: TheBoy on 11 October 2018, 22:22:21
The old Zafira, one of the more powerful at 150bhp was ok for me in all honesty
My Battlebus was 100bhp when it left the factory.  No idea what it is now, I'd guess 7-80bhp.  It definitely isn't powerful enough, even for tunnie/nick w

Why on earth do you still have it then?  :-\
Off site storage facility....
Title: Re: Car shopping
Post by: Kevin Wood on 12 October 2018, 13:18:38
The old Zafira, one of the more powerful at 150bhp was ok for me in all honesty
My Battlebus was 100bhp when it left the factory.  No idea what it is now, I'd guess 7-80bhp.  It definitely isn't powerful enough, even for tunnie/nick w

Why on earth do you still have it then?  :-\
Off site storage facility....
All becomes clear.. To keep the OOF backup tapes safe from the risk of.. Well, you know what. :-X