Topic: Rosberg retires. (Read 4339 times)

Migv6 le Frog Fan · « **on:** 02 December 2016, 13:27:45 »

Nico Rosberg has just announced his retirement from F1. Wasn't expecting that !

STEMO · « **Reply #1 on:** 02 December 2016, 13:30:37 »

Got to admire the lad, now is the time he could start demanding mega bucks.

tunnie · « **Reply #2 on:** 02 December 2016, 13:33:40 »

He knew he got lucky, Hamilton had too many engine failures. Hamilton lost the Championship on his engine reliability, Rosberg was the backup really.

Rosberg has a family now, so understandable, sure he won't need the money.

Guessing as it's a German company they won't want two British drivers, but they should get Jenson in! Feel sorry for him retiring after being given shit car after shit car.

Migv6 le Frog Fan · « **Reply #3 on:** 02 December 2016, 13:35:57 »

Get Jenson in

!!! Surely they want someone who can give Hamilton a run for his money. So that would be either of the Red Bull Drivers, or possibly Alonso.

Marks DTM Calib · « **Reply #4 on:** 02 December 2016, 13:38:52 »

I am quietly pleased, never was really that taken to him and as Tunnie says, he won the title more by default than his outright ability this season.

Migv6 le Frog Fan · « **Reply #5 on:** 02 December 2016, 13:43:43 »

I don't disagree that he was lucky to win the title, only an idiot would. He is simply not in Hamiltons league, but then who is ?
However, I also think he has been a bit under rated, as he is a seriously quick driver. Particularily if he has a clear track in front of him, which, seems to be a German trait for some reason. He did after all make his former team mate look a bit ordinary, and people who claim to be F1 fans, but actually know nothing about it, think he was the greatest driver of all time.
Vettels lawyers are probably examining his Ferrari contract with a fine tooth comb, as we speak.

tunnie · « **Reply #6 on:** 02 December 2016, 13:46:15 »

Quote from: Migv6 on 02 December 2016, 13:35:57

Get Jenson in !!! Surely they want someone who can give Hamilton a run for his money. So that would be either of the Red Bull Drivers, or possibly Alonso.

Err no they won't! They would want a solid person who can ensure they win the Constructors Trophy. They don't want two super top drivers, a backup one who puts in solid performances is what is needed.

I think Alonso could be a good bet, more mature now. Wonder if they would favour Vettel, but his rants at Ferrari have not put him in a good light.

STEMO · « **Reply #7 on:** 02 December 2016, 13:56:58 »

Max please

Migv6 le Frog Fan · « **Reply #8 on:** 02 December 2016, 14:55:03 »

That would be interesting, but maybe Mercedes would consider him not quite ready yet, and Red Bull would fight tooth and nail to keep him.

tunnie · « **Reply #9 on:** 02 December 2016, 14:58:41 »

I think Alonso would be chomping at the bit for a seat there, be interesting to see how those two get on few years later.

Still think Jenson could get in, not driving next year. So ready to go, good solid driver, team player and would not cause issues with Hamilton as been team mates before.

Somehow think easier driver management would be on Merc's wish list.

Migv6 le Frog Fan · « **Reply #10 on:** 02 December 2016, 15:04:30 »

Quote from: tunnie on 02 December 2016, 13:46:15

Quote from: Migv6 on 02 December 2016, 13:35:57
Get Jenson in !!! Surely they want someone who can give Hamilton a run for his money. So that would be either of the Red Bull Drivers, or possibly Alonso.

Err no they won't! They would want a solid person who can ensure they win the Constructors Trophy. They don't want two super top drivers, a backup one who puts in solid performances is what is needed.

I think Alonso could be a good bet, more mature now. Wonder if they would favour Vettel, but his rants at Ferrari have not put him in a good light.

In which case, why did they have Rosberg and Hamilton racing each other for pole / race wins/ world championships for the last three years ? When Rosbergs contract expired they could have replaced him with the type of driver you describe.

I would imagine they will want another German, so Vettel could actually be a possibility. Difficult to imagine any team being big enough for the ego,s of both Hamilton and Vettel though. They could of course bring in a young up and coming German ?
That would certainly suit Hamilton, assuming Merc have a competitive car next season.

Migv6 le Frog Fan · « **Reply #11 on:** 02 December 2016, 15:05:41 »

I would bet all the money I have, that Button wont get the drive.

STEMO · « **Reply #12 on:** 02 December 2016, 15:15:18 »

Quote from: Migv6 on 02 December 2016, 14:55:03

That would be interesting, but maybe Mercedes would consider him not quite ready yet, and Red Bull would fight tooth and nail to keep him.

.....and Hamilton would ~~shit himself~~ fight tooth and nail to resist that suggestion.

Migv6 le Frog Fan · « **Reply #13 on:** 02 December 2016, 15:25:00 »

Not sure I agree.He has a lot of faith in his own abilities and loves to be challenged. That might be a challenge too far though ?
If anyone can challenge Hamilton in the near future, then its going to be Verstappen - assuming he doesn't have a huge accident, which IMO, is a distinct possibility, unfortunately.
It seems Rosbergs reasoning was partly due to the fact that winning the Championship took so much out of him, that he didn't fancy doing it all again a year later. No doubt with the knowledge that he wasn't likely to be that lucky two years in a row.
That, I suppose is the difference between him and Hamilton. It drained Rosberg, but Hamilton really thrives on it as it comes so naturally to him. It seems he was born to drive racing cars at the limit, and its no big effort for him to do it.
From memory the only other driver to do what Rosberg has done was Alan Jones. He won his and Williams first Championship and then turned down a huge amount sum of money to carry on. He had promised himself and his wife, if hew became world champion he would stop.
He changed his mind a couple of years later and came back, but it was a big mistake. Things had moved on while he was away.

Field Marshal Dr. Opti · « **Reply #14 on:** 02 December 2016, 16:21:46 »

Quote from: tunnie on 02 December 2016, 13:33:40

He knew he got lucky, Hamilton had too many engine failures. Hamilton lost the Championship on his engine reliability, Rosberg was the backup really.

Rosberg has a family now, so understandable, sure he won't need the money.

Guessing as it's a German company they won't want two British drivers, but they should get Jenson in! Feel sorry for him retiring after being given shit car after shit car.

My great Aunt Mabel would be cheaper and faster.

Field Marshal Dr. Opti · « **Reply #15 on:** 02 December 2016, 16:36:59 »

Rosberg is a worthy champion. He won nine races and at times outclassed Hamilton.

How many races did his old man Keke win in 1982?

How many races did Kimi win when he became champion?

Varche · « **Reply #16 on:** 02 December 2016, 16:42:05 »

Wehrlein is my bet.

flyer 0712 · « **Reply #17 on:** 02 December 2016, 16:48:30 »

As they stated on the t.v ...over the three years both drivers had 3 major engine problems that cost them the championship title...so on that basis its evens...still think Hamilton is the far better all round driver,,makes you wonder had Hamilton won the title.would rosberg still have retired....,,doubt it very much....he just hasent the luck and skill he needs to carry on against a far better driver,,bye bye rosberg...

TheBoy · « **Reply #18 on:** 02 December 2016, 16:58:13 »

And he's towards the end of his top flank driving career anyway.

So go out on a high.

Migv6 le Frog Fan · « **Reply #19 on:** 02 December 2016, 17:11:10 »

Rosberg has never outclassed Hamilton in a single race since Hamilton joined the team.

Keke Rosberg won only one race to become champion in 1982, but it was a very strange and terribly tragic year.
Whatever stats someone wants to spin to say things have been even, Hamilton would have still won the title this year if he had only suffered one less engine failure.
I would have to check, but Im pretty sure Hamilton had four failures this year alone, and Rosbergs failures in previous seasons wouldn't have made the difference between him winning the title and not winning it.
Sounds like the TV were talking shite tbh. Hard to believe I know, but it does happen on rare occasions.

TheBoy · « **Reply #20 on:** 02 December 2016, 17:13:06 »

When in the right frame of mind, Hamilton is a class leading driver.

But he's easily demoralised, and historically suffered childish tantrums

Migv6 le Frog Fan · « **Reply #21 on:** 02 December 2016, 17:23:20 »

Even when he gats emotional, he is usually still faster than the others. He is a bit emotionally immature, due imo to the fact his father was his Svengali figure from a young kid to his mid twenties, so in certain respects he is growing up a long time after most people normally would.
He also has a bit of a siege mentality, and doesn't trust many people, so gets suspicious when things go against him.
It was understandable though when eight cars on the grid use Mercedes engines and all had total reliability, yet he had four (?) engine failures this season.I think anyone would have started getting a bit paranoid.
Despite all that, Im convinced he is one of the best of all time (I rate him at number three personally) and definitely the best since Senna.

Migv6 le Frog Fan · « **Reply #22 on:** 02 December 2016, 18:52:09 »

Quote from: Varche on 02 December 2016, 16:42:05

Wehrlein is my bet.

You may well be right. He came up through the Mercedes junior team ranks.

henryd · « **Reply #23 on:** 02 December 2016, 19:01:03 »

Bottas who is managed by Toto Wolf

tunnie · « **Reply #24 on:** 02 December 2016, 19:02:51 »

Quote from: henryd on 02 December 2016, 19:01:03

Bottas who is managed by Toto Wolf

As they say, if you want to win, employ a Fin.

henryd · « **Reply #25 on:** 02 December 2016, 19:03:32 »

Quote from: tunnie on 02 December 2016, 19:02:51

Quote from: henryd on 02 December 2016, 19:01:03
Bottas who is managed by Toto Wolf

As they say, if you want to win, employ a Fin.

I rate him given the right car

Varche · « **Reply #26 on:** 02 December 2016, 19:43:58 »

Clarkson and evans 500/1 odds.

Seen Vettel at 2/1.

Wehrlein now evens.

Rods2 · « **Reply #27 on:** 03 December 2016, 04:28:44 »

Rosberg is a worthy champion as you can only race what is put in front of you. Hamilton had his 1) off days, 2) bad starts and 3) reliability problems. With better 1) and 2) Hamilton would have won his 4th WC, 3) is racing leading edge fragile machines, which are designed to last just over the minimum requirements. Rosberg had the rub of the ~~silver~~ green this year, but that is racing.

In many sports 1% or less is all the difference. In F1 it is typically worth 0.9secs a lap!

There is no doubt that Hamilton is the better more round racer, where Rosberg, like Vettel are much more, the 'plain cook' solid performers. Whereas Hamilton, Alonso and Verstappen (and Button on a balanced setup good day) are the 'a la carte' Michelin 3* racers. Hamilton IMO is a bit lazy and will aim to do 'just enough' except when his back is against the wall, when he shows how exceptionally good he is. Hamilton's equal or better IMO are Alonso and Verstappen so bring them on in the team or with competitive drives, so there is a real scrap!

Migv6 le Frog Fan · « **Reply #28 on:** 03 December 2016, 21:14:49 »

I'm bemused how you would think Alonso is Hamiltons equal or better.
Hamilton entered F1 as Alonsos team mate at McClaren. Alonso was a double world champion, and generally recognised as the best driver in F1. Hamilton blerw him away and made him look pretty average.
Alonso,s ego was so bruised that he tried to blackmail Ron Dennis into making him the the teams official number one driver, and give Hamilton orders not to beat him.
Dennis refused, and then the Ferrarigate saga unfolded.
Verstappen may well be the man to challenge or beat Hamilton in the not too distant future, but is he ready to do that every race throughout the season yet ? I'm not sure ,but we will find out next year.

Ona slightly different note - I thought the Mercedes tea management at the last race was a disgrace. Trying to order your most successful driver to sacrifice his final chance of a fourth world title shows either clear bias against him, or totally amateurish managers who aren't fit to do their jobs.
Imo, it was probably a bit of both.

Varche · « **Reply #29 on:** 03 December 2016, 21:21:17 »

Agree with your last para iin particular.

Latest grapevine rumour. Wehrlein to Williams, Bottas to Mercedes.

henryd · « **Reply #30 on:** 03 December 2016, 21:36:07 »

Quote from: Migv6 on 03 December 2016, 21:14:49

I'm bemused how you would think Alonso is Hamiltons equal or better.
Hamilton entered F1 as Alonsos team mate at McClaren. Alonso was a double world champion, and generally recognised as the best driver in F1. Hamilton blerw him away and made him look pretty average.
Alonso,s ego was so bruised that he tried to blackmail Ron Dennis into making him the the teams official number one driver, and give Hamilton orders not to beat him.
Dennis refused, and then the Ferrarigate saga unfolded.
Verstappen may well be the man to challenge or beat Hamilton in the not too distant future, but is he ready to do that every race throughout the season yet ? I'm not sure ,but we will find out next year.

Ona slightly different note - I thought the Mercedes tea management at the last race was a disgrace. Trying to order your most successful driver to sacrifice his final chance of a fourth world title shows either clear bias against him, or totally amateurish managers who aren't fit to do their jobs.
Imo, it was probably a bit of both.

I still think Alonso is a more complete package than Hamilton,don't get me wrong as Hamilton is undeniably quick but I'm afraid his childish spoilt Brat behaviour at times gets on my nerves.

STEMO · « **Reply #31 on:** 03 December 2016, 21:45:29 »

Quote from: henryd on 03 December 2016, 21:36:07

Quote from: Migv6 on 03 December 2016, 21:14:49
I'm bemused how you would think Alonso is Hamiltons equal or better.
Hamilton entered F1 as Alonsos team mate at McClaren. Alonso was a double world champion, and generally recognised as the best driver in F1. Hamilton blerw him away and made him look pretty average.
Alonso,s ego was so bruised that he tried to blackmail Ron Dennis into making him the the teams official number one driver, and give Hamilton orders not to beat him.
Dennis refused, and then the Ferrarigate saga unfolded.
Verstappen may well be the man to challenge or beat Hamilton in the not too distant future, but is he ready to do that every race throughout the season yet ? I'm not sure ,but we will find out next year.

Ona slightly different note - I thought the Mercedes tea management at the last race was a disgrace. Trying to order your most successful driver to sacrifice his final chance of a fourth world title shows either clear bias against him, or totally amateurish managers who aren't fit to do their jobs.
Imo, it was probably a bit of both.

I still think Alonso is a more complete package than Hamilton,don't get me wrong as Hamilton is undeniably quick but I'm afraid his childish spoilt Brat behaviour at times gets on my nerves.

£88,000,000 a year can do strange things to a person. Opti will explain when he's about.

Migv6 le Frog Fan · « **Reply #32 on:** 03 December 2016, 21:56:14 »

He started out in a council house in Stevenage and worked hard for it, so good luck to him.

Sir Tigger KC · « **Reply #33 on:** 03 December 2016, 22:46:03 »

Quote from: Migv6 on 03 December 2016, 21:56:14

He started out in a council house in Stevenage and worked hard for it, so good luck to him.

I thought Lord Opti is an 'old money' landed gentry type gent!

STEMO · « **Reply #34 on:** 04 December 2016, 06:46:03 »

Quote from: Migv6 on 03 December 2016, 21:56:14

He started out in a council house in Stevenage and worked hard for it, so good luck to him.

That's what I said. £88 million a year to some council estate fella......like winning the lottery every day.....gonna turn him into a prima donna......and it has.

Rods2 · « **Reply #35 on:** 04 December 2016, 14:03:58 »

Quote from: STEMO on 03 December 2016, 21:45:29

Quote from: henryd on 03 December 2016, 21:36:07
Quote from: Migv6 on 03 December 2016, 21:14:49
I'm bemused how you would think Alonso is Hamiltons equal or better.
Hamilton entered F1 as Alonsos team mate at McClaren. Alonso was a double world champion, and generally recognised as the best driver in F1. Hamilton blerw him away and made him look pretty average.
Alonso,s ego was so bruised that he tried to blackmail Ron Dennis into making him the the teams official number one driver, and give Hamilton orders not to beat him.
Dennis refused, and then the Ferrarigate saga unfolded.
Verstappen may well be the man to challenge or beat Hamilton in the not too distant future, but is he ready to do that every race throughout the season yet ? I'm not sure ,but we will find out next year.

Ona slightly different note - I thought the Mercedes tea management at the last race was a disgrace. Trying to order your most successful driver to sacrifice his final chance of a fourth world title shows either clear bias against him, or totally amateurish managers who aren't fit to do their jobs.
Imo, it was probably a bit of both.

I still think Alonso is a more complete package than Hamilton,don't get me wrong as Hamilton is undeniably quick but I'm afraid his childish spoilt Brat behaviour at times gets on my nerves.
£88,000,000 a year can do strange things to a person. Opti will explain when he's about.

Small change to M'lud I'm sure. It would even cover his annual laptop costs.

Migv6 le Frog Fan · « **Reply #36 on:** 17 December 2016, 11:36:31 »

Apparently the latest on Rosbergs replacement is - Alonso and Vettel are definitely staying where they are. Mercedes want Bottas and have offered Williams a very good engine deal as a sweetener.
Williams say they wont let Bottas go unless Massa comes out of retirement to replace him.
I wonder how embarrassed Massa would be walking back into the pit lane after his tear filled farewell at the Brazilian Grand Prix.

Anyhoo, Bottas is a pretty handy driver, and was very impressive a couple of years ago until the team started to slip backwards in comparison to Mercedes / Red Bull/ Ferrari.
I'm not sure he is capable of giving Hamilton as much competition that Rosberg did though. $:-\$

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