Topic: Omega MV6 Bose installation (Read 5183 times)

tmx · « **on:** 25 February 2008, 16:55:42 »

i aquired a bose CCRT 700 stereo with the cd changer from the scrap yard! how can i make the stereo work is there a wiring diagram about? i would be greatful if someone could provide me with one

thanks in advance tom

TheBoy · « **Reply #1 on:** 25 February 2008, 17:01:21 »

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i aquired a bose CCRT 700 stereo with the cd changer from the scrap yard! how can i make the stereo work is there a wiring diagram about? i would be greatful if someone could provide me with one

thanks in advance tom

What was in there previously?

tmx · « **Reply #2 on:** 25 February 2008, 17:10:57 »

ccr600 with blaupunkt changer

jules · « **Reply #3 on:** 25 February 2008, 17:19:09 »

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ccr600 with blaupunkt changer

Voila !

http://www.ccpip.org/800/service/Connctn.html

8-)

You will note that the connectors are totally different physically but the wiring is the same so all the wires are there.

TheBoy · « **Reply #4 on:** 25 February 2008, 18:33:18 »

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ccr600 with blaupunkt changer

Voila !

http://www.ccpip.org/800/service/Connctn.html

8-)

You will note that the connectors are totally different physically but the wiring is the same so all the wires are there.

Not quite!

As well as the wiring plugs being different, there are some other differences:

The wiring to the display (which has to be replaced, as ccrt700 has it has its own dedicated display) is different. There are only 2 wires, which are in place, but should really be shielded. I have tried it on the bench, and it seems to be OK on existing wires.

The wiring to the CD player (which has to be replaced, as the CCR600/CCR800 CDC2 changer is different to the identical looking ccrt700 CDC2 changer) is different. At least 2 wires are missing. I have further work to do in this area to find out what needs doing. Hopefully, if the Bose loom came from same donor as ccrt700, then the wiring should be in place from kick panel to cdc2.

The loom to the courtesy light (which has to be replaced with the ccrt700 specific one) is missing. Most of the right signals should be nearby, though the mic will need to be run.

Assuming your car is prewired for phone, the coax is missing from ccrt700 to kick panel is missing.

There does not appear to be an easy way to get a speed signal to the head unit.

Assuming you have fitting bose amp, speakers (all - the door ones are different to std), and loom, you may be better off fitting ccr800 which is plug and play to ccr600 once you've fitted bose loom.

jules · « **Reply #5 on:** 25 February 2008, 20:01:42 »

That's what I meant

but I knew you'd be along in a minute to give the technical details !

Speed wires are in passenger kick panel, look in CARIN thread for colours.

TheBoy · « **Reply #6 on:** 25 February 2008, 20:26:57 »

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That's what I meant

but I knew you'd be along in a minute to give the technical details !

Speed wires are in passenger kick panel, look in CARIN thread for colours.

Speed wire on back of radio on ccr600. Trouble is, ccrt700 needs it delivered via CAN...

tmx · « **Reply #7 on:** 27 February 2008, 17:07:02 »

ahh so it wont work with the MID then?

i did try wiring it in on tuesday but had no luck couldnt get the display to work as i didnt know which wires were the display!!! and the disc change i also couldnt get to work!

jules · « **Reply #8 on:** 27 February 2008, 17:34:51 »

You need a GID :

GID for CCRT support - Fitted to all the cars with CCRT radio sets, supports all the functions of the MID in a half height dot matrix display with some dedicated symbols to allow text etc from the phone function to be displayed, only fitted to mini facelift onwards and is coded to the radio unit via tech 2. Has a single grey connector.

Where did you get the CCRT700 from ?

tmx · « **Reply #9 on:** 27 February 2008, 17:44:40 »

from the scrappy but he is a miserable muppet and i dont really wanna go back there

the bose amp was missing from the car so i assumed it didnt have one and the display in the car looked like my mid!

jules · « **Reply #10 on:** 27 February 2008, 17:58:43 »

Looks can be deceptive.

If you want the CCRT then bite the bullet and go back, if you don't it's bugger all use to you.

I highly reccommend the phone, it works from the steering wheel controls and the sound is excellent at 90 leptons

TheBoy · « **Reply #11 on:** 27 February 2008, 19:30:31 »

This is what I think you'll need, based on my testing:

CCRT700 - tech'2 for right config (Bose or Non Bose)
CCRT700 Display (not same as GID, MID, CID or TID)
CDC2 for CCRT700 (different to CDC2 for CCR600/800)
Amp and speakers for Bose (speakers are different to std), and shelf.
If car prewired for phone, connection from CCRT700 to drivers kick panel. If not prewired, and cellular aerial.
If Bose - a Bose drivers kick panel to amp loom FOR CCRT700. If non Bose - a non Bose drivers kick panel to CDC2 loom FOR CCRT700
Courtesy light FOR CCRT700

Even with all this, you'll still have to frig the wiring from radio to display, and radio to drivers kick panel.

Even after you've done that, I haven't worked out how to get a CAN based speed signal to CCRT700 - you older CCR600 had a pulse based signal.

tmx · « **Reply #12 on:** 28 February 2008, 09:54:02 »

hmmm ill keep this as an ongoing project then i need a ccrt700 display then and a bose amp and speaker kit ill search fleabay and that then where does the bose amp live?

??

jules · « **Reply #13 on:** 28 February 2008, 10:25:11 »

In the boot in front of the spare wheelish

tmx · « **Reply #14 on:** 28 February 2008, 11:17:22 »

found an amp loom courtesy light and full bose speakers for £100 just need a ccrt700 display!!!!!

Marks DTM Calib · « **Reply #15 on:** 28 February 2008, 12:13:17 »

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This is what I think you'll need, based on my testing:

CCRT700 - tech'2 for right config (Bose or Non Bose)
CCRT700 Display (not same as GID, MID, CID or TID)
CDC2 for CCRT700 (different to CDC2 for CCR600/800)
Amp and speakers for Bose (speakers are different to std), and shelf.
If car prewired for phone, connection from CCRT700 to drivers kick panel. If not prewired, and cellular aerial.
If Bose - a Bose drivers kick panel to amp loom FOR CCRT700. If non Bose - a non Bose drivers kick panel to CDC2 loom FOR CCRT700
Courtesy light FOR CCRT700

Even with all this, you'll still have to frig the wiring from radio to display, and radio to drivers kick panel.

Even after you've done that, I haven't worked out how to get a CAN based speed signal to CCRT700 - you older CCR600 had a pulse based signal.

I thought the display provided the speed signal over the CAN interface between the display and CCRT.

TheBoy · « **Reply #16 on:** 28 February 2008, 18:14:01 »

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This is what I think you'll need, based on my testing:

CCRT700 - tech'2 for right config (Bose or Non Bose)
CCRT700 Display (not same as GID, MID, CID or TID)
CDC2 for CCRT700 (different to CDC2 for CCR600/800)
Amp and speakers for Bose (speakers are different to std), and shelf.
If car prewired for phone, connection from CCRT700 to drivers kick panel. If not prewired, and cellular aerial.
If Bose - a Bose drivers kick panel to amp loom FOR CCRT700. If non Bose - a non Bose drivers kick panel to CDC2 loom FOR CCRT700
Courtesy light FOR CCRT700

Even with all this, you'll still have to frig the wiring from radio to display, and radio to drivers kick panel.

Even after you've done that, I haven't worked out how to get a CAN based speed signal to CCRT700 - you older CCR600 had a pulse based signal.

I thought the display provided the speed signal over the CAN interface between the display and CCRT.

Thanks, I'll try and look in to that.

Now if I had the schematics from a 1999 car, that would be a huge help (currently kludging together from 1998 (Haynes) and 2002 (TIS), neither cover CCRT700)

tmx · « **Reply #17 on:** 29 February 2008, 13:56:42 »

is the ccrt700 display coded?

or is this a myth i need one but i dont have part number for one!!!

Marks DTM Calib · « **Reply #18 on:** 29 February 2008, 14:47:40 »

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This is what I think you'll need, based on my testing:

CCRT700 - tech'2 for right config (Bose or Non Bose)
CCRT700 Display (not same as GID, MID, CID or TID)
CDC2 for CCRT700 (different to CDC2 for CCR600/800)
Amp and speakers for Bose (speakers are different to std), and shelf.
If car prewired for phone, connection from CCRT700 to drivers kick panel. If not prewired, and cellular aerial.
If Bose - a Bose drivers kick panel to amp loom FOR CCRT700. If non Bose - a non Bose drivers kick panel to CDC2 loom FOR CCRT700
Courtesy light FOR CCRT700

Even with all this, you'll still have to frig the wiring from radio to display, and radio to drivers kick panel.

Even after you've done that, I haven't worked out how to get a CAN based speed signal to CCRT700 - you older CCR600 had a pulse based signal.

I thought the display provided the speed signal over the CAN interface between the display and CCRT.
Thanks, I'll try and look in to that.

Now if I had the schematics from a 1999 car, that would be a huge help (currently kludging together from 1998 (Haynes) and 2002 (TIS), neither cover CCRT700)

Astra-G, 2002.....CCRT700 was still being used and the display, although a different shape, is a similar animal.

TheBoy · « **Reply #19 on:** 29 February 2008, 15:15:12 »

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This is what I think you'll need, based on my testing:

CCRT700 - tech'2 for right config (Bose or Non Bose)
CCRT700 Display (not same as GID, MID, CID or TID)
CDC2 for CCRT700 (different to CDC2 for CCR600/800)
Amp and speakers for Bose (speakers are different to std), and shelf.
If car prewired for phone, connection from CCRT700 to drivers kick panel. If not prewired, and cellular aerial.
If Bose - a Bose drivers kick panel to amp loom FOR CCRT700. If non Bose - a non Bose drivers kick panel to CDC2 loom FOR CCRT700
Courtesy light FOR CCRT700

Even with all this, you'll still have to frig the wiring from radio to display, and radio to drivers kick panel.

Even after you've done that, I haven't worked out how to get a CAN based speed signal to CCRT700 - you older CCR600 had a pulse based signal.

I thought the display provided the speed signal over the CAN interface between the display and CCRT.
Thanks, I'll try and look in to that.

Now if I had the schematics from a 1999 car, that would be a huge help (currently kludging together from 1998 (Haynes) and 2002 (TIS), neither cover CCRT700)

Astra-G, 2002.....CCRT700 was still being used and the display, although a different shape, is a similar animal.

Thanks very much, that will make my life so much easier!

markey mark · « **Reply #20 on:** 29 February 2008, 15:17:05 »

how are you getting on with that ccrt700 loom jaime

TheBoy · « **Reply #21 on:** 29 February 2008, 15:43:05 »

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how are you getting on with that ccrt700 loom jaime

Still fighting

- it is helping enormously

jules · « **Reply #22 on:** 29 February 2008, 16:02:16 »

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This is what I think you'll need, based on my testing:

CCRT700 - tech'2 for right config (Bose or Non Bose)
CCRT700 Display (not same as GID, MID, CID or TID)
CDC2 for CCRT700 (different to CDC2 for CCR600/800)
Amp and speakers for Bose (speakers are different to std), and shelf.
If car prewired for phone, connection from CCRT700 to drivers kick panel. If not prewired, and cellular aerial.
If Bose - a Bose drivers kick panel to amp loom FOR CCRT700. If non Bose - a non Bose drivers kick panel to CDC2 loom FOR CCRT700
Courtesy light FOR CCRT700

Even with all this, you'll still have to frig the wiring from radio to display, and radio to drivers kick panel.

Even after you've done that, I haven't worked out how to get a CAN based speed signal to CCRT700 - you older CCR600 had a pulse based signal.

I thought the display provided the speed signal over the CAN interface between the display and CCRT.
Thanks, I'll try and look in to that.

Now if I had the schematics from a 1999 car, that would be a huge help (currently kludging together from 1998 (Haynes) and 2002 (TIS), neither cover CCRT700)

Astra-G, 2002.....CCRT700 was still being used and the display, although a different shape, is a similar animal.
Thanks very much, that will make my life so much easier!

I would say you're looking for a:
green Can High and white Can low wires !

TheBoy · « **Reply #23 on:** 29 February 2008, 16:04:09 »

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This is what I think you'll need, based on my testing:

CCRT700 - tech'2 for right config (Bose or Non Bose)
CCRT700 Display (not same as GID, MID, CID or TID)
CDC2 for CCRT700 (different to CDC2 for CCR600/800)
Amp and speakers for Bose (speakers are different to std), and shelf.
If car prewired for phone, connection from CCRT700 to drivers kick panel. If not prewired, and cellular aerial.
If Bose - a Bose drivers kick panel to amp loom FOR CCRT700. If non Bose - a non Bose drivers kick panel to CDC2 loom FOR CCRT700
Courtesy light FOR CCRT700

Even with all this, you'll still have to frig the wiring from radio to display, and radio to drivers kick panel.

Even after you've done that, I haven't worked out how to get a CAN based speed signal to CCRT700 - you older CCR600 had a pulse based signal.

I thought the display provided the speed signal over the CAN interface between the display and CCRT.
Thanks, I'll try and look in to that.

Now if I had the schematics from a 1999 car, that would be a huge help (currently kludging together from 1998 (Haynes) and 2002 (TIS), neither cover CCRT700)

Astra-G, 2002.....CCRT700 was still being used and the display, although a different shape, is a similar animal.
Thanks very much, that will make my life so much easier!

I would say you're looking for a:
green Can High and white Can low wires !

You're forgetting my loom has nothing, so I have to add....

tmx · « **Reply #24 on:** 29 February 2008, 16:10:53 »

hmmm i am having great difficulty locating a display! does anyone have a part number?

i have now recieved a;ll this kit

6 X BOSE Speakers
2 X Bose Sub Woofers
2 X Bose Amplifiers i only need one or do i?

CCRT 700 & Code
Courtesy Light
CDC 2 CCRT700 Cd Changer
Complete CCRT 700 wiring loom door speakers the lot!

has cost me £100 so far

i take all i need is a display unit now??

jules · « **Reply #25 on:** 29 February 2008, 16:10:59 »

I'm not forgetting, I meant I think you should be looking in the passenger footwell for these wires based on TIS.

The green and white seem to be common to the radio, the GID and the CD changer.

Which is what leads me to believe these are the Ebus CAN wires

jules · « **Reply #26 on:** 29 February 2008, 16:12:54 »

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hmmm i am having great difficulty locating a display! does anyone have a part number?

i have now recieved a;ll this kit

6 X BOSE Speakers
2 X Bose Sub Woofers
2 X Bose Amplifiers i only need one or do i?
CCRT 700 & Code
Courtesy Light
CDC 2 CCRT700 Cd Changer
Complete CCRT 700 wiring loom door speakers the lot!

has cost me £100 so far

i take all i need is a display unit now??

Dude, reference this :

http://www.ccpip.org/800/service/Connctn.html

and tell me on your recently aquired loom, what colour the wires on CCRT700 connector C pins 7,8,10 & 11 are?

tmx · « **Reply #27 on:** 29 February 2008, 16:25:27 »

ok m8 i will have a look in abit as im at work there are those color connectors on there somewhere and i thought they were for the phone as they went into a 3 core black cable

jules · « **Reply #28 on:** 29 February 2008, 16:41:12 »

There are three large connectors that go into the back of the CCRT700, the top one is the 'C' connector, it is this one I want to know the colour of the wires as detailled above.

Cheers

TheBoy · « **Reply #29 on:** 29 February 2008, 16:56:04 »

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hmmm i am having great difficulty locating a display! does anyone have a part number?

i have now recieved a;ll this kit

6 X BOSE Speakers
2 X Bose Sub Woofers
2 X Bose Amplifiers i only need one or do i?
CCRT 700 & Code
Courtesy Light
CDC 2 CCRT700 Cd Changer
Complete CCRT 700 wiring loom door speakers the lot!

has cost me £100 so far

i take all i need is a display unit now??

Dude, reference this :

http://www.ccpip.org/800/service/Connctn.html

and tell me on your recently aquired loom, what colour the wires on CCRT700 connector C pins 7,8,10 & 11 are?

From memory, both pairs are blue and yellow, and go to DRIVERS kick panel towards the CD player...

jules · « **Reply #30 on:** 29 February 2008, 16:58:02 »

which would make some sort of sense as the GID the radio and the CD all have the ECcan.

I'll check for blue and yellow

BRB

TheBoy · « **Reply #31 on:** 29 February 2008, 17:46:29 »

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which would make some sort of sense as the GID the radio and the CD all have the ECcan.

I'll check for blue and yellow

BRB

Right, confirmed. Blue and yellow pairs, both go to kick panle drivers side. Both look like they go off to CD player, but can't confirm as the CD Changer loom I have on dining room table is for CCR600/800, not CCRT700. One set of blue/yellow on the old ccr600 loom does go to cd changer.

markey mark · « **Reply #32 on:** 29 February 2008, 17:48:02 »

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how are you getting on with that ccrt700 loom jaime
Still fighting - it is helping enormously

good stuff dont forget to let know how you fit it in the mv6 !!

TheBoy · « **Reply #33 on:** 29 February 2008, 17:54:08 »

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how are you getting on with that ccrt700 loom jaime
Still fighting - it is helping enormously

good stuff dont forget to let know how you fit it in the mv6 !!

Tell you what, its so close now I think (well close enough to at least try fitting in to my MV6.

Assuming you have CCRT700 Bose loom, I reckon its a bit of friggin around getting the larger HU connector sorted, a couple of wires plus a coax to drivers kick panel, and then sorting out the speed signal.

tmx · « **Reply #34 on:** 29 February 2008, 18:17:41 »

yeah the boy do u know what screen i need?

i am going to wait till i have everything and once i can get the ccrt700 to work on a test rig i will install it and produce a how to guide

i just need to source a screen but dont know what one i need!

TheBoy · « **Reply #35 on:** 29 February 2008, 19:02:42 »

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yeah the boy do u know what screen i need?

i am going to wait till i have everything and once i can get the ccrt700 to work on a test rig i will install it and produce a how to guide

i just need to source a screen but dont know what one i need!

You need the CCRT700 display. This display was only ever fitted to cars with CCRT700 (so 1999 Omegas - not sure about other models, Veccy-B likely to be similar)

markey mark · « **Reply #36 on:** 29 February 2008, 19:12:36 »

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yeah the boy do u know what screen i need?

i am going to wait till i have everything and once i can get the ccrt700 to work on a test rig i will install it and produce a how to guide

i just need to source a screen but dont know what one i need!

the screen out the car you got the ccrt700 would be best one matey !!

markey mark · « **Reply #37 on:** 29 February 2008, 19:13:27 »

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how are you getting on with that ccrt700 loom jaime
Still fighting - it is helping enormously

good stuff dont forget to let know how you fit it in the mv6 !!
Tell you what, its so close now I think (well close enough to at least try fitting in to my MV6.

Assuming you have CCRT700 Bose loom, I reckon its a bit of friggin around getting the larger HU connector sorted, a couple of wires plus a coax to drivers kick panel, and then sorting out the speed signal.

i do jaime i have the lot !!

why does it need the speed signal :question

Marks DTM Calib · « **Reply #38 on:** 29 February 2008, 19:48:29 »

The control interface to the CD changer is CAN....I know this because when we disected one there was a CAN interface chip....

TheBoy · « **Reply #39 on:** 29 February 2008, 19:58:47 »

Yup, as M_DTM says, CDC2 fitted to CCRT700 is CAN, unlike the CDC2 fitted to ccr600/800, and hence is wired differently.

tmx · « **Reply #40 on:** 01 March 2008, 13:32:29 »

went to the scrappie he wont let me have the display he wants me to have the whole lot dials etc etc

and the price quoted was £200!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

zirk · « **Reply #41 on:** 01 March 2008, 16:08:00 »

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went to the scrappie he wont let me have the display he wants me to have the whole lot dials etc etc

and the price quoted was £200!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Guy's having a laugh (200 more like 20 -40), have you tried Ebay.de (germany) prob a few more on there than UK.

tmx · « **Reply #42 on:** 01 March 2008, 18:33:47 »

looked on german ebay no luck !!!

TheBoy · « **Reply #43 on:** 01 March 2008, 20:08:45 »

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went to the scrappie he wont let me have the display he wants me to have the whole lot dials etc etc

and the price quoted was £200!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bloody Hell! Thats it, mines on ebay if its worth that much

tmx · « **Reply #44 on:** 02 March 2008, 13:36:08 »

the boy please could you tell me the part numer of the display?

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