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Extra "lighter" sockets
« on: 21 December 2011, 13:34:55 »

Hi all,

Is it possible to hard wire a triple socket into the existing lighter wiring and permanently fix in the drivers glove box? Fed up with wires hanging around the steering column & stereo from my phone & music player :(

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Re: Extra "lighter" sockets
« Reply #1 on: 21 December 2011, 13:43:57 »

Yep. I put an extra one here
« Last Edit: 21 December 2011, 13:45:48 by RobG »
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Re: Extra "lighter" sockets
« Reply #2 on: 21 December 2011, 13:54:27 »

This is a worthwhile job. I have added an extra socket at the back of the centre console, very handy for my son to use to charge his psp etc.
If you connect it into the original cigar lighter circuit this is probably the easiest way to do it, just be aware not to overload the circuit with too many devices plugged in
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Re: Extra "lighter" sockets
« Reply #3 on: 21 December 2011, 14:09:55 »

Yep. I put an extra one here


Cheers for that RobG!

I've already got a triple socket that'll go in the drivers glove box, out of sight.

Do I just tap into the current dash socket wires, cut the plug off the triple I have and connect?

Sorry to ask, just not very good with car electrics!

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Re: Extra "lighter" sockets
« Reply #4 on: 21 December 2011, 14:21:58 »

Yep, 0v - 0v, 12v - 12v. If it`s too much hassle splicing into front ciggie you might find it easier (like I did) to unclip the rear acc. "plate" and splice into wiring there and just tuck the wiring up behind the full length centre console
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« Reply #5 on: 21 December 2011, 14:25:45 »

Ok, so how do I know which wire is 0v or 12v, on the triple socket I have?  :-[
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Re: Extra "lighter" sockets
« Reply #6 on: 21 December 2011, 14:30:02 »

If you`re removing the triple socket plug, rather than cut the wire, break the plug open, wire that is soldered/connected to brass pin will be 12v
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« Reply #7 on: 21 December 2011, 14:33:02 »

Aha!!  Learning all the time, lol.

Cheers for that RobG. Will see if I can take the plug apart then take a look at the car. The rear access plate you mentioned. Where/what is that?
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« Reply #8 on: 21 December 2011, 15:22:42 »

Aha!!  Learning all the time, lol.

Cheers for that RobG. Will see if I can take the plug apart then take a look at the car. The rear access plate you mentioned. Where/what is that?
Rear accessory socket ;)  unclip it from the centre console
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« Reply #9 on: 21 December 2011, 15:23:28 »

There is also a perfectly good fuse box underneath the steering wheel ::)

Either: 1. Permenant live, Red wire
      Or: 2. Switched live, Black wire

Both with an In line fuse holder.

IIRC there is an earth stud behind the drivers' kick panel, lots of Brown wires.

Tuck the sockets behind the drivers air vent/headlight switch. Sat Nav power can be routed to come out wherever you put it, (mine comes out at the bottom right corner of the screen), phone charger lends itself to the driverside cubbyhole :y

To do it this way the driverside air vent needs to come out, but the end result is alot neater IMO. :y

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Re: Extra "lighter" sockets
« Reply #10 on: 21 December 2011, 15:35:57 »

Good question and great responses. A job for the new year me thinks  ;)
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Re: Extra "lighter" sockets
« Reply #11 on: 21 December 2011, 15:44:23 »

If SWMBO will let me out of the house & it's not peeing down, I may have a go tomorrow..... did I just see a pink pig go by?? ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Extra "lighter" sockets
« Reply #12 on: 21 December 2011, 18:09:16 »

Blimey, how much junk do you guys need to plug in :o

Very rare for either of my ciggy lighters to be in use :o


You're clearly all gadget freaks ;D
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Re: Extra "lighter" sockets
« Reply #13 on: 21 December 2011, 18:36:58 »

I'd like 2 upfront for my phone & music player. The one in the back is used for the DVD player, very much needed to keep a 3yr old quiet, lol.
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Re: Extra "lighter" sockets
« Reply #14 on: 21 December 2011, 20:08:36 »

one for the bluetooth hands free,
 one for the iphone,/ fm modulator
one for the laptop charger,
 and some  usb ports to charge other stuff,
(like passenger's phones)   
and one for the emergency tom tom if the built in satnav and iphone can't find the address.



i've stuck a 2 socket + 2 USB one into my centre console,  neatly, and sensibly,. 
 i have a triple socket + 1 usb one left, which i'm pondering whether to glove box it or find somewhere in rear seat area for it , for the kids...  ... 
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« Reply #15 on: 22 December 2011, 00:06:28 »

Blimey, how much junk do you guys need to plug in :o

Very rare for either of my ciggy lighters to be in use :o


You're clearly all gadget freaks ;D
One for the Idiot box, and one for the phone. Ashtray rattles when open, so only use that socket if I really need to, besides, it makes the place look untidy. ::)

rear one disconnected incase some eejit pukes in it :-X
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Re: Extra "lighter" sockets
« Reply #16 on: 22 December 2011, 11:16:17 »

Just out of curiosity, is there any difference with using USB connections when charging in a car etc, compared to the ciggy lighter plugs?
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Re: Extra "lighter" sockets
« Reply #17 on: 22 December 2011, 11:43:34 »

Just out of curiosity, is there any difference with using USB connections when charging in a car etc, compared to the ciggy lighter plugs?

How do you mean ?
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Re: Extra "lighter" sockets
« Reply #18 on: 22 December 2011, 11:47:29 »

Instead of using bulky lighter plugs etc, hard wire a USB socket? Smaller more compact, but didn't know if it works just as well as a ciggy plug/socket?

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Re: Extra "lighter" sockets
« Reply #19 on: 22 December 2011, 12:18:19 »

many of the multiple lighter sockets now incorporate the 5Volt USB sockets, and there is no problems in hardwiring these in as mentioned above. Some even have multiple USB sockets on them like this

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2-Way-Car-Cigarette-Lighter-Charger-Socket-2-USB-port-/280716976767?pt=UK_ConsumerElectronics_PowerAdaptors_SM&hash=item415c09227f

but just watch that the overall load does not exceed around 10 amps, as that is about all the vehicle wiring can handle - some are fused to 15, but that is the point they fail.

what I really would not advise though, are these

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Car-Cigar-Socket-DC12V-AC220V-75W-100W-Power-Inverter-USB-US-UK-ports-/260888554065?pt=UK_Computing_LaptopAccessories_PowerSupplies&hash=item3cbe2b6a51
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« Reply #20 on: 22 December 2011, 13:41:23 »

Cheers for that Dave. Last question, I hope, I'm looking for an earth point by the drivers glove box. Any suggestions on what to use please. Can I use a dash panel bulb wire? If so, which wire is which? I have a grey/green & a brown wire.

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« Reply #21 on: 22 December 2011, 13:55:36 »

If you remove the drivers glovebox and the kick panel there is an earth post on the door pillar. :y Using the earth from the dash lights will probably cook the wiring. :'(

Brown is the earth one, earth point should be obvious, connect straight to that :y
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« Reply #22 on: 22 December 2011, 14:05:54 »

If you remove the drivers glovebox and the kick panel there is an earth post on the door pillar. :y Using the earth from the dash lights will probably cook the wiring. :'(

Brown is the earth one, earth point should be obvious, connect straight to that :y

What he said !!

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« Reply #23 on: 22 December 2011, 14:27:54 »

Cheers for all your help guys, working on it now!! :y
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« Reply #24 on: 22 December 2011, 22:38:47 »

Keep us updated. I'm looking forward to this  :y
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« Reply #25 on: 22 December 2011, 22:44:25 »

Well I earthed it behind the drivers kick panel fine, but not got it working yet. Using fuse 14, ciggy fuse, I tapped off one of the wires, but its still dead? Didn't blow anything up, so thats a good sign, lol. Will try another live feed when I get a chance. Watch this space!
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« Reply #26 on: 22 December 2011, 22:47:17 »

Well I earthed it behind the drivers kick panel fine, but not got it working yet. Using fuse 14, ciggy fuse, I tapped off one of the wires, but its still dead? Didn't blow anything up, so thats a good sign, lol. Will try another live feed when I get a chance. Watch this space!
Ignition switched on?
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« Reply #27 on: 23 December 2011, 01:49:22 »

Black = Switched live ie Ignition ON.
Red = Permanent live ie Always ON.

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« Reply #28 on: 31 December 2011, 11:33:36 »

Did you ever get sorted?
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« Reply #29 on: 09 January 2012, 19:05:50 »

Did you ever get sorted?
Nope, still no joy :(

This is why I never became an electrician or mechanic.....I'm bloody useless ;D ;D ;D

Tried again yesterday, but can't get the thing to work.....oh well, just have to live without it now ::) :)
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« Reply #30 on: 09 January 2012, 19:12:34 »

Did you ever get sorted?
Nope, still no joy :(

This is why I never became an electrician or mechanic.....I'm bloody useless ;D ;D ;D

Tried again yesterday, but can't get the thing to work.....oh well, just have to live without it now ::) :)
Why not take the easiest route (for you) and follow my suggestion in previous answers
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« Reply #31 on: 09 January 2012, 19:55:31 »

I think I will Rob, that'll teach me for trying to be bloody clever.......NOT!

Thanks again for your advice, will try & have a go later this week when I'm not working :y
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« Reply #32 on: 09 January 2012, 20:34:15 »

Yep, 0v - 0v, 12v - 12v. If it`s too much hassle splicing into front ciggie you might find it easier (like I did) to unclip the rear acc. "plate" and splice into wiring there and just tuck the wiring up behind the full length centre console

Sounds like that might be easier right enough. Need to find a socket with a longer cable!
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« Reply #33 on: 10 January 2012, 02:20:25 »

Before you rip it out and start again, might be an idea to take the triple socket apart and double check any connections inside :y they're not the best made of things :-\
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« Reply #34 on: 10 January 2012, 05:35:44 »

Good point. Although I'm very good at taking things apart, I can't say the same thing as putting them back together again ::)

I'll check it out though, cheers :y
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« Reply #35 on: 10 January 2012, 10:24:45 »

Good point. Although I'm very good at taking things apart, I can't say the same thing as putting them back together again ::)

I'll check it out though, cheers :y

 ;D Araldite to stick it back together,then gaffer tape just to be sure ;)
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« Reply #36 on: 10 January 2012, 11:06:34 »

Good point. Although I'm very good at taking things apart, I can't say the same thing as putting them back together again ::)

I'll check it out though, cheers :y

 ;D Araldite to stick it back together,then gaffer tape just to be sure ;)
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« Reply #37 on: 11 January 2012, 17:22:53 »

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« Reply #38 on: 12 January 2012, 19:52:26 »

Had another go at the socket this afternoon. Tested the socket first by connecting it straight onto the battery, works fine. I then followed RobG's suggestion, (thank you RobG :y), using the rear passengers lighter for a feed.
Using 27amp car electrical wire I ran it under the centre console trim, under the steering column behind the fuses and into the drivers glove box. Connected my phone charger and mp3 player etc and switched ignition on..... it works :)

The only thing that I've noticed though, is since it's been done the sockets are permanently live, ignition on or off, they are still live??

Before I did this work, they were not ???  All I have done to the car's wiring is piggy back off it, nothing else.   Any ideas why this is?

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« Reply #39 on: 12 January 2012, 19:56:50 »

I think the rear socket is always live? I thought I had read somewhere that it stayed live for 15 minutes after ignition shutdown, but I don't think that's right. I had plugged my charger into the rear socket as I don't trust the front one, but the light was still illuminated later that day.
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« Reply #40 on: 12 January 2012, 19:58:33 »

in that case your time delay relay is knackered...

watch out for battery drain problems :y

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« Reply #41 on: 12 January 2012, 20:41:34 »

Nothing gets left plugged in except the actual charger itself, will that still be a drain on the system?
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« Reply #42 on: 12 January 2012, 20:49:27 »

Had another go at the socket this afternoon. Tested the socket first by connecting it straight onto the battery, works fine. I then followed RobG's suggestion, (thank you RobG :y), using the rear passengers lighter for a feed.
Using 27amp car electrical wire I ran it under the centre console trim, under the steering column behind the fuses and into the drivers glove box. Connected my phone charger and mp3 player etc and switched ignition on..... it works :)

The only thing that I've noticed though, is since it's been done the sockets are permanently live, ignition on or off, they are still live??

Before I did this work, they were not ???  All I have done to the car's wiring is piggy back off it, nothing else.   Any ideas why this is?

Cheers :y

Should stay live for 15-20 minutes after door is closed. Re-opening door will energise socket again
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« Reply #43 on: 12 January 2012, 20:49:58 »

in that case your time delay relay is knackered...

watch out for battery drain problems :y

Fair point. I take it that it should switch off then. Is it worth it, or even possible to replace the relay?
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« Reply #44 on: 12 January 2012, 21:56:21 »

Should stay live for 15-20 minutes after door is closed. Re-opening door will energise socket again

I wonder had I or missy opened a door before I noticed?
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