Topic: What's this pfl MV6 worth? (Read 4114 times)

woolley11 · « **on:** 08 May 2018, 20:42:55 »

Got chance to buy back a car I once owned. It's an S reg.

MV6 Omega in Champagne, manual and leather.

56k miles, 2 previous owners (1 being me first time)

It's ropey round rear wheel arches and door bottoms and wheels have have been painted a single colour so need full refurb.

biggriffin · « **Reply #1 on:** 08 May 2018, 20:47:00 »

I'll start, what ever anybody is prepared to pay.

Doctor Gollum · « **Reply #2 on:** 08 May 2018, 20:47:55 »

How badly do you want it back?

woolley11 · « **Reply #3 on:** 08 May 2018, 20:58:21 »

Well it's just a bit on the rarer side, having the low ownership and mileage

Plus colour & leather combo nice

It's in Scotland and I'm in East Yorkshire so there's £200 pick up fee already

I thought £500 tops

STEMO · « **Reply #4 on:** 08 May 2018, 21:33:25 »

Not only gay gold, but rusty gay gold. Go for it.

Sir Tigger KC · « **Reply #5 on:** 08 May 2018, 21:44:24 »

Check the sills carefully if it has rust elsewhere.

Alnico Blue · « **Reply #6 on:** 08 May 2018, 21:49:06 »

Did you regret selling it ? if so get it back . . . but £700 ?? not sure about that

But . . there is a MFL Elite on flea bay with seller asking over 2 large

MFL rust . . rear arches, tops of doors & of course cills . . .needs a good look over IMO $:-\$

Nick W · « **Reply #7 on:** 08 May 2018, 22:02:33 »

Quote from: Sir Tigger QC on 08 May 2018, 21:44:24

Check the sills carefully if it has rust elsewhere.

You have that back-to-front, if the sills are rusty look very carefully at the rest of the car.
Rusty sills can be repaired economically or easily if you DIY; much of the rest of the structure will be far more problematic.

dave the builder · « **Reply #8 on:** 08 May 2018, 22:07:15 »

Just remember it how it was , the good times

Not the rotting raped corpse it is now

(don't worry people , i ventured out to the local shop for local people , i now have real brown sauce for tomorrow )

unless your prepared to do a lot of welding or rust proofing

woolley11 · « **Reply #9 on:** 08 May 2018, 22:10:29 »

Gay Gold eh? Well it's same colour as the rust so blends nicely.

Reckon wheels will be £120 a corner to do a proper job (seen a set on eBay for £450 or best offer for full refurb set), bodywork/paintwork I reckon £300-£450 depending on what's found . Then there's MOT and fresh service. Cam belt done quite recently so that's something.

So reckon a total spend on £1,500+ But could be one of the best ones out there when done (taking mileage/low ownership) - mmm decisions decisions !!

Best talk to the wife

Shackeng · « **Reply #10 on:** 08 May 2018, 22:40:16 »

Why? Would that take your mind off it?

ronnyd · « **Reply #11 on:** 08 May 2018, 22:56:52 »

Quote from: woolley11 on 08 May 2018, 22:10:29

Gay Gold eh? Well it's same colour as the rust so blends nicely.

Reckon wheels will be £120 a corner to do a proper job (seen a set on eBay for £450 or best offer for full refurb set), bodywork/paintwork I reckon £300-£450 depending on what's found . Then there's MOT and fresh service. Cam belt done quite recently so that's something.

So reckon a total spend on £1,500+ But could be one of the best ones out there when done (taking mileage/low ownership) - mmm decisions decisions !!

Best talk to the wife

Shows up on mine.

woolley11 · « **Reply #12 on:** 09 May 2018, 08:24:22 »

Well I did have it from nearly new back in early 2000, so got some pics of it looking nice and fresh then 😎.

Was a Vauxhall fleet car before me. It had 8400 miles on it when I got it and ( very sadly ) still got the purchase invoice from the Vauxhall dealer.

The rub is, hence the wife discussion, is I've already got a 1999 MV6 which is a one previous owner, full specced car with 113k on clock. Although it's suffering head gasket failure and awaiting attention presently and on SORN.

Not many chances to acquire one these days as numbers in their teens available. Guess if I buy it at least I can decide at a later date what to do.

tigers_gonads · « **Reply #13 on:** 09 May 2018, 08:38:55 »

Quote from: woolley11 on 09 May 2018, 08:24:22

Well I did have it from nearly new back in early 2000, so got some pics of it looking nice and fresh then 😎.

Was a Vauxhall fleet car before me. It had 8400 miles on it when I got it and ( very sadly ) still got the purchase invoice from the Vauxhall dealer.

The rub is, hence the wife discussion, is I've already got a 1999 MV6 which is a one previous owner, full specced car with 113k on clock. Although it's suffering head gasket failure and awaiting attention presently and on SORN.

Not many chances to acquire one these days as numbers in their teens available. Guess if I buy it at least I can decide at a later date what to do.

Not taking the piss here BUT head gasket ??

What symptoms ?

Alnico Blue · « **Reply #14 on:** 09 May 2018, 08:57:57 »

Quote from: tigers_gonads on 09 May 2018, 08:38:55

Quote from: woolley11 on 09 May 2018, 08:24:22
Well I did have it from nearly new back in early 2000, so got some pics of it looking nice and fresh then 😎.

Was a Vauxhall fleet car before me. It had 8400 miles on it when I got it and ( very sadly ) still got the purchase invoice from the Vauxhall dealer.

The rub is, hence the wife discussion, is I've already got a 1999 MV6 which is a one previous owner, full specced car with 113k on clock. Although it's suffering head gasket failure and awaiting attention presently and on SORN.

Not many chances to acquire one these days as numbers in their teens available. Guess if I buy it at least I can decide at a later date what to do.

Not taking the piss here BUT head gasket ??

What symptoms ?

I would be on the side of Tigers Gonads here . .& cautious of diagnosing HG failure. There were some '99 cars suspect of HG failure as I understand it . . .but these were 2.5's , yours being a MV6 & therefore, I think a 3.0, & HG failure on 3.0 engines is very very rare. Oil cooler issue maybe ?

biggriffin · « **Reply #15 on:** 09 May 2018, 11:47:44 »

Quote from: Alnico Blue on 09 May 2018, 08:57:57

Quote from: tigers_gonads on 09 May 2018, 08:38:55
Quote from: woolley11 on 09 May 2018, 08:24:22
Well I did have it from nearly new back in early 2000, so got some pics of it looking nice and fresh then 😎.

Was a Vauxhall fleet car before me. It had 8400 miles on it when I got it and ( very sadly ) still got the purchase invoice from the Vauxhall dealer.

The rub is, hence the wife discussion, is I've already got a 1999 MV6 which is a one previous owner, full specced car with 113k on clock. Although it's suffering head gasket failure and awaiting attention presently and on SORN.

Not many chances to acquire one these days as numbers in their teens available. Guess if I buy it at least I can decide at a later date what to do.

Not taking the piss here BUT head gasket ??

What symptoms ?

I would be on the side of Tigers Gonads here . .& cautious of diagnosing HG failure. There were some '99 cars suspect of HG failure as I understand it . . .but these were 2.5's , yours being a MV6 & therefore, I think a 3.0, & HG failure on 3.0 engines is very very rare. Oil cooler issue maybe ?

3.0L head gaskets do go, doesn't give the same symptoms as oil cooler failure, oil in header tank is oil cooler, head gaskets normally go at the back,and leak coolant.

TheBoy · « **Reply #16 on:** 09 May 2018, 17:57:55 »

Quote from: Alnico Blue on 09 May 2018, 08:57:57

I would be on the side of Tigers Gonads here . .& cautious of diagnosing HG failure. There were some '99 cars suspect of HG failure as I understand it . . .but these were 2.5's , yours being a MV6 & therefore, I think a 3.0, & HG failure on 3.0 engines is very very rare. Oil cooler issue maybe ?

Its actually the MY 1998 3.0l that are prone to HGF at the back of bank 2. Mine suffered it twice in the (long) time I had it.

As BG says, symptoms are losing coolant, no other issues.

woolley11 · « **Reply #17 on:** 09 May 2018, 22:01:39 »

Well I'm no mechanic but I've tinkered with cars over 30 years and can only conclude it's a hgf.

Symptoms of this HGF :

All coolant gone out of expansion tank
Emulsification in oil
Compression in o/s bank, 1st cylinder from front is reading 5 whilst rest are 10-12
Very rough running - fires up but stalls again
When it was running with coolant - steam/very visible emissions coming from exhaust

If someone has other diagnostics then very greatful to receive them.

Re the Champagne Omega - I'm thinking of going for it. I did like the car at the time very much and only sold it to go towards a deposit on a house.

I'll go in cheap and see where we go 👍

Alnico Blue · « **Reply #18 on:** 10 May 2018, 07:39:18 »

Quote from: TheBoy on 09 May 2018, 17:57:55

Quote from: Alnico Blue on 09 May 2018, 08:57:57
I would be on the side of Tigers Gonads here . .& cautious of diagnosing HG failure. There were some '99 cars suspect of HG failure as I understand it . . .but these were 2.5's , yours being a MV6 & therefore, I think a 3.0, & HG failure on 3.0 engines is very very rare. Oil cooler issue maybe ?
Its actually the MY 1998 3.0l that are prone to HGF at the back of bank 2. Mine suffered it twice in the (long) time I had it.

As BG says, symptoms are losing coolant, no other issues.

Oh crikey . . .looks like I have got that totally wrong then

was sure there was an issue with 2.5's of that era & HG failure . . . my age & memory having a part to play in this no doubt

the word "senile" comes to mind

tigers_gonads · « **Reply #19 on:** 10 May 2018, 09:31:08 »

Quote from: woolley11 on 09 May 2018, 22:01:39

Well I'm no mechanic but I've tinkered with cars over 30 years and can only conclude it's a hgf.

Symptoms of this HGF :

All coolant gone out of expansion tank
Emulsification in oil
Compression in o/s bank, 1st cylinder from front is reading 5 whilst rest are 10-12
Very rough running - fires up but stalls again
When it was running with coolant - steam/very visible emissions coming from exhaust

If someone has other diagnostics then very greatful to receive them.

Re the Champagne Omega - I'm thinking of going for it. I did like the car at the time very much and only sold it to go towards a deposit on a house.

I'll go in cheap and see where we go 👍

'dangle berries'
Sounds like you have that prognosis spot on sadly

TheBoy · « **Reply #20 on:** 10 May 2018, 18:42:29 »

Quote from: woolley11 on 09 May 2018, 22:01:39

Emulsification in oil

That's probably a different fault, not the HG.

The duff cylinder, i'd put a drop of oil in the cylinder, and re-measure.

Rods2 · « **Reply #21 on:** 10 May 2018, 19:34:08 »

When I had a head gasket go on a 1999 3l it was on the left bank rear cylinder, with low compression, but no oil in the coolant. As it got worse the water consumed increased and the cylinder would miss on tickover, but pickup at higher revs. With the hot engine running I could smell exhaust fumes coming from the expansion tank and the exhause always contained steam even on hot dry days with a hot engine.

STEMO · « **Reply #22 on:** 10 May 2018, 19:39:42 »

I think you need to change you sig, Rods, oil is higher again today.

dave the builder · « **Reply #23 on:** 10 May 2018, 20:03:30 »

If you get the engine hot (cooling system under pressure ) then whip out the plug ,you may get coolant out the plug hole
(confirming fire ring ,h/gasket failure )

oh ye...

o/s bank, 1st cylinder
probably be cold again by the time you get all the stuff out the way to get to the plug

low compression due to bore wash (water or fuel washing oil from round the rigs ) $:-\$

BazaJT · « **Reply #24 on:** 10 May 2018, 20:31:56 »

Think that's why TB suggested oil in the cylinder and re-measure?Take compression reading,put some oil in cylinder and take reading again.If reading improves it's rings/bore wear if no improvement it's valves[least ways I believe that's the way it works]

woolley11 · « **Reply #25 on:** 11 May 2018, 07:06:36 »

Well I guess I've got some more investigative work for the weekend !! 😳

TheBoy · « **Reply #26 on:** 12 May 2018, 09:34:44 »

Quote from: Rods2 on 10 May 2018, 19:34:08

When I had a head gasket go on a 1999 3l

Was it a 98 MY though (what is last letter of VIN)

2boxerdogs · « **Reply #27 on:** 20 May 2018, 06:56:20 »

Buy it restore it & keep it, simples.😀

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