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NCDC2013 gremlins ?
« on: 16 February 2009, 15:20:53 »

Out this afternoon, and my NCDC2013 seems to have developed some gremlins  :-[

For starters, seems that most functions shortly revert to the Main screen - see symptoms below :

1) I cannot select Tuner, even though the tuner is playing and I can swap stations with numbered presets, arrow keys and steering controls. Similarly, can swap through bands too. Just cannot get the CID to display the Tuner screen
2) Cannot select Nav functions - although sometimes one of the various screens comes up for a second or so then reverts to overall Main screen. That said, hit the navigate to Home button (green one) and the navigation kicked in with directions both voice and turn indicators on Main screen Info button also does nothing, except once flashed up on pressing then reverted to Main screen
3) Can select CDC screen and CDs controllable, but most button presses thereafter mean reverting to Main screen
4) BC button works usually, although also sometimes reverts to Main screen
5) CD button works - tells me non-audio CD inserted (as it should) and then reverts to Main screen
6) Tone controls button does nothins
7) Main screen displays range as normal - initially, displayed nothing else like what radio station was playing even though could hear radio. Also states Navi Inactive the whole time, even when (as mentioned above) the route home was being navigated

So, very confused  >:( Is there some kind of reset that can be done ? Anyone experienced similar ? Reasons/suggestions/advice greatly appreciated......

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Re: NCDC2013 gremlins ?
« Reply #1 on: 16 February 2009, 17:43:57 »

most bizarre.

I have spent an awful lot of time and money messing about with these Siemens units, never seen anything like that.

Initially, I would disconnect it for a couple of hours, then reconnect for a full reset.  After that, I would consider removing front panel (bit delicate) and look for damage on PCB behind.

Or get a live data test done on it to see if it thinks there are stuck buttons etc.
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Re: NCDC2013 gremlins ?
« Reply #2 on: 16 February 2009, 18:15:24 »

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most bizarre.

I have spent an awful lot of time and money messing about with these Siemens units, never seen anything like that.

Initially, I would disconnect it for a couple of hours, then reconnect for a full reset.  After that, I would consider removing front panel (bit delicate) and look for damage on PCB behind.

Or get a live data test done on it to see if it thinks there are stuck buttons etc.

Well the good news is that I got in the car to drive to work around 2hrs after what shall be known as 'the incident' and all seems fine again  :y
Worry is that this is 'first contact' with an evil siemens gremlin  :D

For a reset, is that a battery disconnect job ? Or do I need to pull the unit out and unplug......haven't got removal tool, so hoping not...(oh, and am somewhat cack-handed too !)
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Re: NCDC2013 gremlins ?
« Reply #3 on: 16 February 2009, 18:36:21 »

radio removal easiest, but do battery if you're more confident
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Re: NCDC2013 gremlins ?
« Reply #4 on: 16 February 2009, 20:01:45 »

is it worth holding clear for 6 seconds? It should reset.
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Re: NCDC2013 gremlins ?
« Reply #5 on: 16 February 2009, 20:45:01 »

Most Philips stereos around that era are full of software bugs - easiest thing to do is remove the stereo for a couple of hours allowing everyhing to fully discharge internally, refit and let it boot up completely from cold - usually resets everything

Were Philips the forerunners of Microsoft ?

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Re: NCDC2013 gremlins ?
« Reply #6 on: 16 February 2009, 20:57:13 »

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Most Philips stereos around that era are full of software bugs - easiest thing to do is remove the stereo for a couple of hours allowing everyhing to fully discharge internally, refit and let it boot up completely from cold - usually resets everything

Were Philips the forerunners of Microsoft ?

 :y
Bit confused  :o isn't this unit Siemens ? Or is it re-badged Philips then ?
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Re: NCDC2013 gremlins ?
« Reply #7 on: 16 February 2009, 21:05:26 »

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Most Philips stereos around that era are full of software bugs - easiest thing to do is remove the stereo for a couple of hours allowing everyhing to fully discharge internally, refit and let it boot up completely from cold - usually resets everything

Were Philips the forerunners of Microsoft ?

 :y
Siemens, designed before they took over philips.
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Re: NCDC2013 gremlins ?
« Reply #8 on: 16 February 2009, 23:10:38 »

Well, my drive home showed a gremlin again :(

SatNav seems to have 'jammed' on a spot about 1 mile into my journey. All other functions (BC, CDC and tuner working fine) but not the Info button (half-ar5ed approximation which never chenges) and when trying to plot route to home it gave a garbled direction indicator.
Worth noting that the system shows green GPS indicator, which - per usual - goes yellow/red under bridges etc.

So, seems GPS feed is working, but map/position all wrong ?

I am wondering whether the disc is iffy (2001 version) and this could be causing the problems - perhaps for the whole unit ?
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Re: NCDC2013 gremlins ?
« Reply #9 on: 16 February 2009, 23:21:32 »

Have you tried using the other functions with no CD in at all ??? Sat nav won't work but might eliminate the problem ?? Seems to me it could be locking up whilst trying to read a scratched/dirty disc ?
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Re: NCDC2013 gremlins ?
« Reply #10 on: 16 February 2009, 23:42:30 »

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Seems to me it could be locking up whilst trying to read a scratched/dirty disc ?
This is what I am starting to suspect......tbh, though, all other functions are fine now....further analysis required.
Can one get a cheap version (I guess that means older !) of the CDs ? Don't really want to spend £50+ on a latest version - a 2001/2/3 etc disc will do fine !
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Re: NCDC2013 gremlins ?
« Reply #11 on: 16 February 2009, 23:44:06 »

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is it worth holding clear for 6 seconds? It should reset.
Hello?   ::) Answer? yes it is!
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Re: NCDC2013 gremlins ?
« Reply #12 on: 16 February 2009, 23:46:27 »

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is it worth holding clear for 6 seconds? It should reset.
Hello?   ::) Answer? yes it is!
Tried this on the way home....didn't notice anything happen at all  :-/
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Re: NCDC2013 gremlins ?
« Reply #13 on: 17 February 2009, 00:04:48 »

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is it worth holding clear for 6 seconds? It should reset.
Hello?   ::) Answer? yes it is!
Tried this on the way home....didn't notice anything happen at all  :-/
It is there to reset the nav when stroppy among other things. Maybe press Main for 6 seconds or longer to enter service menus then clear for 6 or longer to exit/re start. Works on mine. Nothing happens until the button is released, if held long enough. Had to do it today with another experimental verbatum disc, it got stuck in enter address. On re start it spat the disc out, it had 2 tiny scratches, later showed clean disc error.

Siemens have been on my gay list for a while now.
(imho)
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Re: NCDC2013 gremlins ?
« Reply #14 on: 17 February 2009, 00:10:48 »

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is it worth holding clear for 6 seconds? It should reset.
Hello?   ::) Answer? yes it is!
Tried this on the way home....didn't notice anything happen at all  :-/
It is there to reset the nav when stroppy among other things. Maybe press Main for 6 seconds or longer to enter service menus then clear for 6 or longer to exit/re start. Works on mine. Nothing happens until the button is released, if held long enough. Had to do it today with another experimental verbatum disc, it got stuck in enter address. On re start it spat the disc out, it had 2 tiny scratches, later showed clean disc error.

Siemens have been on my gay list for a while now.
(imho)
Cool, thx, will try this in the morning :)
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