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[Varche]

Just idle curiosity .

In the UK how does the MOT tester do the handbrake test on the rollers? Does being auto ( dsg) make a difference to how the tester does it.?

In Spain the vehicle owner does most of the test in the driving seat. If you have any doubts over what to do the tester can do it for you.

[b4ndit]

same as normal most cars have a bedding in cycle that starts before you do the parking brake test

[Varche]

So you just lift the button whilst the rear wheels are spinning on the rollers?

[TheBoy]

Why would an electronic one make any difference to a manual one? 

[TheBoy]

IE, does it matter a motor pulls a cable rather than an organic hooligan?

[Varche]

It was just idle curiosity. I have never used the manual button when vehicle moving any more that I would under normal circumstances with a traditional handbrake. Just mechanical sympathy. Plus without trying it , it might just  lock the rear wheels.

[Andy B]

Why would an electronic one make any difference to a manual one? 

because if I set off with my electric 'hand' brake on, it'll automatically release  Doesn't yours? 

[aaronjb]

Why would an electronic one make any difference to a manual one? 

because if I set off with my electric 'hand' brake on, it'll automatically release  Doesn't yours? 

But if you're moving, it'll slam the brakes on (probably).

I know this, because I tried it in the Skoda .. just to see if the manual was right

[Doctor Gollum]

Why would an electronic one make any difference to a manual one? 

because if I set off with my electric 'hand' brake on, it'll automatically release  Doesn't yours? 

But if you're moving, it'll slam the brakes on (probably).

I know this, because I tried it in the Skoda .. just to see if the manual was right

From memory, it applies is steadily and gradually rather than instantly.

If it did simply slam on, then it would be utterly useless as an emergency brake as the consequence of doing so at speed could be fatally catastrophic 

[Varche]

Why would an electronic one make any difference to a manual one? 

because if I set off with my electric 'hand' brake on, it'll automatically release  Doesn't yours? 

But if you're moving, it'll slam the brakes on (probably).

I know this, because I tried it in the Skoda .. just to see if the manual was right

You aren't leading life to the full if you are reading the manual ( or you are a lady).

Where is the fun in finding all the infinite interlocks on seatbelts, speed, open doors, weight of passenger, footbrake and now handbrake ............?

[aaronjb]

If it did simply slam on, then it would be utterly useless as an emergency brake as the consequence of doing so at speed could be fatally catastrophic 

It definitely did not feel 'progressive'.. rather like we had hit a wall

The manual only says:

"If, while driving, a fault occurs in the brake system, the parking brake can be used as an emergency brake.
Pull the (p) button in the direction of arrow 1 and » Fig. 254 hold (you hear an audible signal) the vehicle starts to brake strongly.
The braking process is interrupted when the key is released or the accelerator”"

I think they understate "strongly"

[Andy B]

Why would an electronic one make any difference to a manual one? 

because if I set off with my electric 'hand' brake on, it'll automatically release  Doesn't yours? 

But if you're moving, it'll slam the brakes on (probably).

I know this, because I tried it in the Skoda .. just to see if the manual was right

I'll try it next time I'm in it 

[Andy B]

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If it did simply slam on, then it would be utterly useless as an emergency brake as the consequence of doing so at speed could be fatally catastrophic 

As you know, a Merc parking brake isn't particularly effective 

[b4ndit]

So you just lift the button whilst the rear wheels are spinning on the rollers?

yes. it may take a couple or three goes but it works on some cars it applies instantly 

[TheBoy]

Why would an electronic one make any difference to a manual one? 

because if I set off with my electric 'hand' brake on, it'll automatically release  Doesn't yours? 

I was, of course, referring to it from an MOT point of view.

I'm not the biggest fan of them, never have been, as it can't be used with precision to aid the driving experience or do 1 point turns in the road.  Plus on mine, using it in motion does apply it in the way you would expect an emergency brake to, and it bongs loudly.  Never had that issue with a big lever.  I do like the idea of a big mechanical connection between the hand and the pads/shoes

But an electronic one is not a show stopper for me.

[TheBoy]

If it did simply slam on, then it would be utterly useless as an emergency brake as the consequence of doing so at speed could be fatally catastrophic 

It definitely did not feel 'progressive'.. rather like we had hit a wall

The manual only says:

"If, while driving, a fault occurs in the brake system, the parking brake can be used as an emergency brake.
Pull the (p) button in the direction of arrow 1 and » Fig. 254 hold (you hear an audible signal) the vehicle starts to brake strongly.
The braking process is interrupted when the key is released or the accelerator”"

I think they understate "strongly"

It should be coming on hard enough to stop the car asap, but not to lock up.  As its use in motion implies that the main brake system has failed and you need to stop quickly.

[Andy B]

Why would an electronic one make any difference to a manual one? 

because if I set off with my electric 'hand' brake on, it'll automatically release  Doesn't yours? 

I was, of course, referring to it from an MOT point of view.

I'm not the biggest fan of them, never have been, as it can't be used with precision to aid the driving experience or do 1 point turns in the road.  Plus on mine, using it in motion does apply it in the way you would expect an emergency brake to, and it bongs loudly.  Never had that issue with a big lever.  I do like the idea of a big mechanical connection between the hand and the pads/shoes

But an electronic one is not a show stopper for me.

Nor could Merc's previous foot operated parking brake.  And they only just worked as a brake anyway.

My R Class's parking brake was a similar set up to that of the Omega & Senator ie a top hat disc/drum ...... my ML now has an electric brake that applies the pads to the disc & have got rid of the drum/shoe

[Varche]

So they may or may not be good for modern day handbrake turns!

[Andy B]

Just tried my electric parking brake on the move .... press & hold and it'll stop the car .... eventually 

[STEMO]

Just tried my electric parking brake on the move .... press & hold and it'll stop the car .... eventually 

Risky. You could have broken your nose and set the airbags off. 

[Andy B]

Just tried my electric parking brake on the move .... press & hold and it'll stop the car .... eventually 

Risky. You could have broken your nose and set the airbags off. 

[TheBoy]

So they may or may not be good for modern day handbrake turns!

They are unable to do a handbrake turn, controlled or otherwise.

Apparently 

[Sir Tigger KC]

So they may or may not be good for modern day handbrake turns!

They are unable to do a handbrake turn, controlled or otherwise.

Apparently 

Poor teenagers!    What will they do in empty car parks now?   

Apart from smoking weed and shagging that is! 

[STEMO]

So they may or may not be good for modern day handbrake turns!

They are unable to do a handbrake turn, controlled or otherwise.

Apparently 

Poor teenagers!    What will they do in empty car parks now?   

Apart from smoking weed and shagging that is! 

And emptying the contents of their cars on to the floor.

[Sir Tigger KC]

So they may or may not be good for modern day handbrake turns!

They are unable to do a handbrake turn, controlled or otherwise.

Apparently 

Poor teenagers!    What will they do in empty car parks now?   

Apart from smoking weed and shagging that is! 

And emptying the contents of their cars on to the floor.

   Dirty bastards! 

You see this especially at Maccydoos or Kenoppsy.  Do these shitheads think they're too important to get out of the car, to put their rubbish in the bin?   

[Kevin Wood]

So they may or may not be good for modern day handbrake turns!

They are unable to do a handbrake turn, controlled or otherwise.

Apparently 

Poor teenagers!    What will they do in empty car parks now?   

Apart from smoking weed and shagging that is! 

It's disgraceful. The youth of today can't even drink properly .

[aaronjb]

Our new McDonalds is really clean - the employees are sent out to clean not only the immediate area, but the wildlife sanctuary behind it (several miles long)

The ground in Morrisons (McDonalds are in a corner of that) is covered in these, however, thanks to the local dealers..



Nobody does handbrake turns in carparks anymore - not since they filled carparks with bollards and lamp posts surrounded by guards, thanks to TBs antics when he was younger 

[TheBoy]

I might be pushing 50, but I can still manage a decent U-turn on the parking brake

My youth - ignoring Mr Fothergills and haircar products, mixed to do what all bored teenagers do - involved Silverstone and crap old bangers 

[aaronjb]

I might be pushing 50, but I can still manage a decent U-turn on the parking brake

Not in the Jag, apparently!

[Kevin Wood]

Our new McDonalds is really clean - the employees are sent out to clean not only the immediate area, but the wildlife sanctuary behind it (several miles long)

The ground in Morrisons (McDonalds are in a corner of that) is covered in these, however, thanks to the local dealers..



Nobody does handbrake turns in carparks anymore - not since they filled carparks with bollards and lamp posts surrounded by guards, thanks to TBs antics when he was younger 

I'm clearly far too innocent to know what druggies do with them. Has there been a resurgence in interest in soda syphons recently?

[aaronjb]

  Yep, that's exactly it..

Or rather, they contain Nitrous Oxide, otherwise known as laughing gas.. and it's not because we have a really bad very short street racing epidemic here

[Kevin Wood]

Yep, that's exactly it..

Or rather, they contain Nitrous Oxide, otherwise known as laughing gas.. and it's not because we have a really bad very short street racing epidemic here

Hmm. Interesting. Could be just the boost my strimmer needs when I've done the "CBA with gardening" thing for a week too long.

.. or maybe some of that in the tonic would liven up a session on the G&Ts?

[TheBoy]

I might be pushing 50, but I can still manage a decent U-turn on the parking brake

Not in the Jag, apparently!

Indeed. It just won't do it. Apparently